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Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:35 pm
by zoyathedestroya
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Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:59 pm
by zoyathedestroya
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It wouldn't take him long to become a fan favorite.

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But word of caution though from an unnamed member of this board -- fans are fickle. They can change their mind quickly. They love you now... but can turn on you just like that.

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I can't get Noho Hank out of my head whenever I see Kanter. If you don't know who Hank is, why have you not watched Barry yet??

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:57 pm
by Phish Tank
this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:09 pm
by Slartibartfast
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


Hey, we're in the honeymoon phase. Please don't bring up our new spouse's 4 previous failed marriages.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:26 pm
by Darth Celtic
Floody100 wrote:Never seen a 5 million dollar player get a pre season press conference like that :lol:
I wonder if it has anything to do with Kanter wearing #11 ? Thinking Ainge did to send a message to Kyrie that we don’t need him which I absolutely love !

To be honest he took 5m to sign with us. He probably would have been a 9m a year player at mins, more if more teams had cap space. He's still young and has been a 20m a year guy for some time.

He is a major signing. I mean, Wallace was paid 5m and he got one, Shaq got one and he got vet min.

Just because you take less money to sign with a team you like, doesn't mean it's not a big addition. Kanter is a big addition. He's not prime Horford, but neither is Horford and he got 26m a year or something like that.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:27 pm
by Wes-J
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


He was a Knick. Can you really blame him???

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:32 pm
by Darth Celtic
Wes-J wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


He was a Knick. Can you really blame him???

Did/Does anyone play defense on the knicks? I know they have the young center who blocks shots, but do they play team defense? No, no they don't.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:46 pm
by Phish Tank
Darth Celtic wrote:
Wes-J wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


He was a Knick. Can you really blame him???

Did/Does anyone play defense on the knicks? I know they have the young center who blocks shots, but do they play team defense? No, no they don't.


Kanter did that everywhere else too

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:46 pm
by Roland2000
Kanter landed in the right place for his situation....especially the political situation he is in. Massachusetts is a good and safe environment. He will be taken care of and protected. He must be quite happy.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:14 pm
by Gant
Wes-J wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


He was a Knick. Can you really blame him???


Ha ha! Yeah if every player that goes to the Knicks elicits up some sort of negative association, maybe, sometimes, it isn't the player?

Portland fans have nothing but good things to day about him.

The defense thing though, that's real.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:23 pm
by cloverleaf
Slartibartfast wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


Hey, we're in the honeymoon phase. Please don't bring up our new spouse's 4 previous failed marriages.


Then it sounds like Danny did the right thing signing a player's option prenup to keep him motivated in the short term and help him to move on after that.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:26 pm
by cloverleaf
Darth Celtic wrote:
Floody100 wrote:Never seen a 5 million dollar player get a pre season press conference like that :lol:
I wonder if it has anything to do with Kanter wearing #11 ? Thinking Ainge did to send a message to Kyrie that we don’t need him which I absolutely love !

To be honest he took 5m to sign with us. He probably would have been a 9m a year player at mins, more if more teams had cap space. He's still young and has been a 20m a year guy for some time.

He is a major signing. I mean, Wallace was paid 5m and he got one, Shaq got one and he got vet min.

Just because you take less money to sign with a team you like, doesn't mean it's not a big addition. Kanter is a big addition. He's not prime Horford, but neither is Horford and he got 26m a year or something like that.


The C's message was that this pair is at least something of a reasonable facsimile replacement to the pair that they lost to FA.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:31 pm
by zoyathedestroya
This is my worry with Kanter being pushed into taking more threes. I'm not against him adding it to his arsenal. It especially makes sense if we want to run PnRs with him and Kemba and we don't want to clog that paint, try to draw the defending big away from the rim. But we also don't want Kanter to dull one of his strengths which is offensive rebounding.

Below is Brook Lopez's 3-pt attempt rate vs. FT rate vs. Offensive Rebounding rate over the last few years:

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I also still recall our failed experiment with Sully chucking threes (I don't think he ever exceeded 30% from three). With Aron Baynes, it was kinda understandable to have him shoot those open threes since he wasn't particularly good as a rolling big and doesn't have much to offer scoring-wise around the rim. He also didn't have much of a post game to speak of.

Finding that balance is the key. I think in the rare instances they play another non-shooting big with Kanter like Williams or Poirier, him being able to shoot from the three is useful while the other big is the roll guy. Him being able to pop on high PnRs and dribble hand-offs at the top of the key would be good for Kemba and Hayward too in their drives to the rim.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:18 pm
by Wes-J
zoyathedestroya wrote:This is my worry with Kanter being pushed into taking more threes. I'm not against him adding it to his arsenal. It especially makes sense if we want to run PnRs with him and Kemba and we don't want to clog that paint, try to draw the defending big away from the rim. But we also don't want Kanter to dull one of his strengths which is offensive rebounding.

Below is Brook Lopez's 3-pt attempt rate vs. FT rate vs. Offensive Rebounding rate over the last few years:

Image

I also still recall our failed experiment with Sully chucking threes (I don't think he ever exceeded 30% from three). With Aron Baynes, it was kinda understandable to have him shoot those open threes since he wasn't particularly good as a rolling big and doesn't have much to offer scoring-wise around the rim. He also didn't have much of a post game to speak of.

Finding that balance is the key. I think in the rare instances they play another non-shooting big with Kanter like Williams or Poirier, him being able to shoot from the three is useful while the other big is the roll guy. Him being able to pop on high PnRs and dribble hand-offs at the top of the key would be good for Kemba and Hayward too in their drives to the rim.


Don't worry, he's not becoming a 3pt specialist any time soon.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:21 pm
by babyjax13
Darth Celtic wrote:
Floody100 wrote:Never seen a 5 million dollar player get a pre season press conference like that :lol:
I wonder if it has anything to do with Kanter wearing #11 ? Thinking Ainge did to send a message to Kyrie that we don’t need him which I absolutely love !

To be honest he took 5m to sign with us. He probably would have been a 9m a year player at mins, more if more teams had cap space. He's still young and has been a 20m a year guy for some time.

He is a major signing. I mean, Wallace was paid 5m and he got one, Shaq got one and he got vet min.

Just because you take less money to sign with a team you like, doesn't mean it's not a big addition. Kanter is a big addition. He's not prime Horford, but neither is Horford and he got 26m a year or something like that.


I doubt anyone would have offered $9 million per year. He had a great little stretch with Portland, and maybe has figured out how to play.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:05 am
by SmartWentCrazy
Meh im gunna listen to the fans warning us on Kanter. Feels hypocritical to laugh at the Nets fans ignoring us on Kyrie while also disregarding other teams warning us about Kanter.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:23 am
by Green89
Phish Tank wrote:this is the typical life cycle for Kanter...

1) immediately becomes a fan favorite.
2) Says the rights things.
3) Does the right thing.
4) Then you realize he's basically playing to opt out of his contract
5) Then you also realize he can't defend
6) He will complain once you bench him because he can't play defense
7) Will issue subliminal and stupid tweets on Twitter
8) Team doesn't re-sign him


The Knicks didn't bench him for his defense. They told him he wasn't in their future plans and the franchise needed to play their youth.

"We're fighting for a certain style of play to start building for our future," Fizdale told reporters. "I want to be able to play a very versatile style in the future and I don't want to wait to start working at that. And start building that out."


He went from riding the bench with the Knicks to helping Portland get to the WCF as the starting center. Don't try to compare the Knicks to any other franchise. Their dealings with Kanter are not alike.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:53 am
by Gomes3PC
There is potential for Kanter to have some Baynes-level "spacing" - ie, if he's trailing the play and wide-the-F-open, then sure, jack it up. His FT% hovers around 80% and he hits midrange jumpers at a not-horrid level, so why not see if he can hit 32-34% on low volume?

If we need to space we'll likely just have to play Theis and/or go super small with Grant at the 5.

Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 pm
by zoyathedestroya
Kanter is ET-certified. All I need.

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Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter!

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:44 pm
by ZeroTolerance
zoyathedestroya wrote:
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So Enes the Menace works, but Enes the Penis does not?


:o :D

Got it!

I just hope Enes can be enough of a "menace" to the opposition on defense to allow him to remain in the lineup..

If the other Enes shows up, there's going to be some unhappy campers around these parts...Can hear the old grammar school joke that was once told to me as a kid at recess by two other kids standing on either side of me...One kid would say "left ball", the other said "right ball"....then they both would deliver the punchline........ "Who's that dink in the middle"? :D