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Re: Welcome to Boston Enes Kanter! 

Post#421 » by eris » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:50 pm

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And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.


I don't think that's fair, they just went in a different direction for whatever reason, opting for a contract-year Whiteside.


Them and everyone else. 4th team in 4 years

I don't know if Kanter is going to be good, but I don't think he's going to be bad...especially for the price the C's are paying. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves he can't/won't play defense in whatever scheme Steven's comes up with this year.
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Post#422 » by kivancb » Thu Aug 1, 2019 7:29 am

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:This sucks. This absolutely sucks.

Read on Twitter


It does. I would like to share a direct link written by me - an introduction about Enes Kanter. As I am Turkish, I do happen to know a lot about his history and his ties to the Islamic clerk and Turkish government of a mess pretty well:

http://celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/74757/thread

tldr: I hope he gets his sh*t straight but I do not trust Enes Kanter.
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Post#423 » by Parliament10 » Thu Aug 1, 2019 7:37 am

kivancb wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:This sucks. This absolutely sucks.

Read on Twitter


It does. I would like to share a direct link written by me - an introduction about Enes Kanter. As I am Turkish, I do happen to know a lot about his history and his ties to the Islamic clerk and Turkish government of a mess pretty well:

http://celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/74757/thread

tldr: I hope he gets his sh*t straight but I do not trust Enes Kanter.

Let's not get too political about this.
But Freedom of Speech is pretty important.

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Post#424 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Aug 2, 2019 10:19 am

Read on Twitter

He looks the part of a guy who can stop Embiid and/or star as a villain in the next Bond movie.
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Post#425 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Aug 2, 2019 11:44 am

Parliament10 wrote:
kivancb wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:This sucks. This absolutely sucks.

Read on Twitter


It does. I would like to share a direct link written by me - an introduction about Enes Kanter. As I am Turkish, I do happen to know a lot about his history and his ties to the Islamic clerk and Turkish government of a mess pretty well:

http://celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/74757/thread

tldr: I hope he gets his sh*t straight but I do not trust Enes Kanter.

Let's not get too political about this.
But Freedom of Speech is pretty important.

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That article criticizing Gulen is fair. It may or may not actually be accurate, but it's a perfectly reasonable guess or interpretation based on available facts. And so accusing Kanter of being a foolish cult member is also fair, again with the caveat that we can't be sure it's accurate.

But please, please, please refrain from taking the leap to saying that therefore Kanter is a bad person, or has a sinister agenda, or anything like that. He seems like a religious believer who follows the good part of what his religion says, but may or may not be blind to bad things his particular sect is doing under the cover of their apparent goodness.

To pick a Western example: The Roman Catholic church has done horrible things, has intervened greatly in politics, and keeps a huge number of secrets. But there still are many, many, many Catholic believers who are good people and indeed are inspired to goodness by their faith.

Edit: For clarity, I should have spelled this analogy out further. Some think the good the Catholic Church does vastly outweighs the harm. Some, including me, have the opposite view. This is not the forum for arguing one side of that or the other. But even those who are very negative on Catholicism shouldn't be down on a player simply because he's a devout Catholic, any more than we should blame devout Muslims such as Hakeem Olajuwon, Tacko Fall or Enes Kanter for the failings of other Islamic believers.
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Post#426 » by BillTheGOAT » Fri Aug 2, 2019 12:11 pm

Disclaimer: dont want to talk politics but this needs to be said.

I hope Kanter could stop with the political/religious stuff. He is allowed to have his own beliefs but you don’t have to share it with everyone dude.

Imagine him hanging out with a Celtic teammate or several teammates, then some lunatic that is pro-turkish gvt attacks him and someone on the Celtics?

Hope he can be lowkey from now on...
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Post#427 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Aug 2, 2019 1:57 pm

BillTheGOAT wrote:Disclaimer: dont want to talk politics but this needs to be said.

I hope Kanter could stop with the political/religious stuff. He is allowed to have his own beliefs but you don’t have to share it with everyone dude.

Imagine him hanging out with a Celtic teammate or several teammates, then some lunatic that is pro-turkish gvt attacks him and someone on the Celtics?

Hope he can be lowkey from now on...


I hope the opposite. I'd like to see Russian players feuding with Putin too.

If you're suggesting it's too dangerous for Kanter, who makes a good living outside Turkey, to argue with Erdogan, you're conceding that Erdogan can get away (again) with violence on US soil.
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Post#428 » by 3D Chess » Fri Aug 2, 2019 3:28 pm

Yeah, the "stick to sports" narrative helps nobody except those who wish to carry on getting away with bad actions.
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Post#429 » by Dogen » Fri Aug 2, 2019 5:52 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

He looks the part of a guy who can stop Embiid and/or star as a villain in the next Bond movie.


Better shot at the Bond role, honestly, but even if he can't stop Embiid he's a big body and has got some attitude, so I expect Kanter and Embiid to have their share of chippy scenes on the court. Should be fun for the whole family!
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Post#430 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Aug 2, 2019 6:28 pm

3D Chess wrote:Yeah, the "stick to sports" narrative helps nobody except those who wish to carry on getting away with bad actions.


I was in Turkey for 5 weeks in 2015: three weeks sailing out of Marmaris and a week in Istanbul at each end.
Ergodan is a pig. The Kurds (15% of the population) and the young people can't stand him. He's an autocrat who has ruthlessly jailed and in some cases murdered educated Turks after the failed coup in 2016. He tries to blame all of Turkey's ills on some obscure cleric living in Pennsylvania.

Turkey has not been a theocracy since Mustapha Kemal. There is no state religion and no persecution of non-Muslims. There are hundreds of active christian churches and 20 active synagogs in Istanbul. But Ergodan wants to turn it into a theocracy, because conservative muslims are his political base.
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Post#431 » by Elrod is Back » Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:37 pm

Thanks for the report, Curm. Sounds right to me.
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Post#432 » by GuyClinch » Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:54 pm

Wait so Ergodan is mad at Kanter for being the wrong kind of Muslim? Is that the gist of it? I knew that Ergodan guy is a piece of work.. but imagined that he didn't like Kanter for sticking up for the Kurds or something like that..

Either way this guys defense is legendarily bad - so lets hope Robert Williams can shoot a little and we see more of Theis or he gets coached up. Watching some of his lowlights we have to hope he can be coached up a bit on defense. Looks to me like he just stands there - instead of knowing where to go on the court in X situation..

Like - guy driving - move there and stop. Guy open out on wing - move out and contest. Basically you need to know where to go and then hustle to get to that spot and/or contest the shot. There could be some serious friction here. You rarely see those kind of mental mistakes out of guys like Hayward, Theis, Williams, Brown, Tatum etc.

Stevens will need to coach him up - otherwise he will see less minutes then he imagines. If he gets the feet stuck in mud syndrome - he is done for. Coaches will understand when a guy isn't that physically talented at defense - Hayward for example. But they need to bust. Kanter is just like - "Oh yeah maybe I should have slid over when that guy was driving down the middle - no big maybe I can get teh rebound".
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Post#433 » by theman » Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:56 pm

3D Chess wrote:Yeah, the "stick to sports" narrative helps nobody except those who wish to carry on getting away with bad actions.


Kanter is standing up to an authoritarian dictator. That is something that is more important than sport.
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Post#434 » by theman » Fri Aug 2, 2019 8:05 pm

GuyClinch wrote:Wait so Ergodan is mad at Kanter for being the wrong kind of Muslim? Is that the gist of it? I knew that Ergodan guy is a piece of work.. but imagined that he didn't like Kanter for sticking up for the Kurds or something like that..

Either way this guys defense is legendarily bad - so lets hope Robert Williams can shoot a little and we see more of Theis or he gets coached up. Watching some of his lowlights ...


Try watching his highlights.

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Post#435 » by GuyClinch » Fri Aug 2, 2019 8:44 pm

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GuyClinch wrote:Wait so Ergodan is mad at Kanter for being the wrong kind of Muslim? Is that the gist of it? I knew that Ergodan guy is a piece of work.. but imagined that he didn't like Kanter for sticking up for the Kurds or something like that..

Either way this guys defense is legendarily bad - so lets hope Robert Williams can shoot a little and we see more of Theis or he gets coached up. Watching some of his lowlights ...


Try watching his highlights.



Cool man - that gets me less depressed. Ainge always says that the skills that make a guy good on offense can be used to be respectable at least on defense. And I believe that. If we can get him hustling to the right spot and trying to do the right thing he can be a big minutes guy. Guys like Baynes when they first came out - no one thought they could defend. Now he made his name as a defender..

Not saying Kanter will go that way but maybe Stevens can get him player better defense. Defense seems to be a stevens strength as we have had great defensive teams having only decent defenders at the 4/5.
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Post#436 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Aug 2, 2019 9:12 pm

Here’s Kanter speaking for himself, and sounding entirely credible: https://time.com/5389792/enes-kanter-erdogan-gulen/
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Post#437 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Aug 2, 2019 10:42 pm

GuyClinch wrote:Wait so Ergodan is mad at Kanter for being the wrong kind of Muslim? Is that the gist of it? I knew that Ergodan guy is a piece of work.. but imagined that he didn't like Kanter for sticking up for the Kurds or something like that..


The problem is straight out of Orwell. Erdogan and Gulen worked together on a great change in Turkish politics. But once Erdogan had been in power for some years, he and Gulen had a falling out, and now Gulen is Public Enemy #1, so much so that Gulen's followers are also labeled as enemies of the state.
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Post#438 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Aug 2, 2019 10:45 pm

theman wrote:
GuyClinch wrote:Wait so Ergodan is mad at Kanter for being the wrong kind of Muslim? Is that the gist of it? I knew that Ergodan guy is a piece of work.. but imagined that he didn't like Kanter for sticking up for the Kurds or something like that..

Either way this guys defense is legendarily bad - so lets hope Robert Williams can shoot a little and we see more of Theis or he gets coached up. Watching some of his lowlights ...


Try watching his highlights.



Steven Adams looked completely flummoxed, except on the last play of that video, where he induced Kanter to take an extra step (not whistled about).
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Post#439 » by Shak_Celts » Sat Aug 3, 2019 1:49 am

kivancb wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:This sucks. This absolutely sucks.

Read on Twitter


It does. I would like to share a direct link written by me - an introduction about Enes Kanter. As I am Turkish, I do happen to know a lot about his history and his ties to the Islamic clerk and Turkish government of a mess pretty well:

http://celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/74757/thread

tldr: I hope he gets his sh*t straight but I do not trust Enes Kanter.


I respect your opinion but just because you are Turkish it doesn't make your opinion of him any more valid than his account of the situation or himself.

Take America for instance, I would hope no one sees/hears a Trump supporter and think that that represents the truth of America, I would hope people would look at more perspectives and then decide. Being American doesn't just make an opinion, especially on these things, right. As a supporter of Sanders I still feel the same, even though I fully believe in my opinion that he is a vastly superior representation, I would still hope people would listen to Trump/his supporters side and decide for themselves.

What I'm saying is, you may be right, Kanter needs to get his shat straight, but I offer that MAYBE he does have it together and you and/or your government needs to get it together.

There are many sides to a story. I can put together an entire article on why Trump is the greatest president of all time, especially if I gather all my info from conservative sources or arrange facts in a way that would fit my narrative. It doesn't make it true.
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Post#440 » by brackdan70 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 3:14 am

BillTheGOAT wrote:Disclaimer: dont want to talk politics but this needs to be said.

I hope Kanter could stop with the political/religious stuff. He is allowed to have his own beliefs but you don’t have to share it with everyone dude.

Imagine him hanging out with a Celtic teammate or several teammates, then some lunatic that is pro-turkish gvt attacks him and someone on the Celtics?

Hope he can be lowkey from now on...

Some things are bigger than basketball dude.
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