Sign & Trade Won't Die \ Cap Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

Crazy thought. What if we use this basis to absorb a bad contract from CHA? Would they kick in anything decent?

Renounce Morris.
1. ~$19M
2. Sign Terry to $17.9 takes you down to ~$10.4M.

S&T Terry, ($17.9), Baynes ($5.4), Yabu ($3.1M) => $26.4M + $10.4M cap => $36.8M
To take back Kemba and take back MKG, we need to send out $36.4M. Boom!

What would CHA throw in to get Terry & save $10M by having Yabu instead of MKG? First rounder? Hernangomez for Semi swap?

Solves the need for a 4th team. Gets a tradeable salary at the deadline. Or backup wing if we trade someone else.

Great defender. Still only 25. Perfect shooting form. Handled being out of the rotation well. Just had surgery to repair a chronic groin stain. Only one of those things is a lie.

We could take Kemba + MKG + 1st or could settle for Kemba + Cody Zeller. Either works, math-wise.

We get our starting center. Cody's only 27 when season starts. Maybe we can revive his career a bit. Perfect PnR partner for Kemba and Gordon. An RPM darling not too long ago (6th among centers in 2016-17) before injuries hit.

Salary ballast for trade midseason or offseason.

I looked at Zeller and even Williams if we added Semi or something, but wasn’t really sure of CHA plans for them. I know mkg fell out of the rotation so figured it’d be easier to get him and they’d be willing to sweeten a tiny bit to save $10M. Not expecting much. Zeller would work too if they’d prefer. The main thing for me is avoid needing a 4th team and get the contract for later.

Is taking Yabu's expiring into a 4th team's TPE too much trouble though? Cs could send the cash to take care of his salary. And it's always great to do these goodwill deals and deposit something into the favor bank for later use. I don't think it's unusual. Even if they're not enamored with Yabu, he's still an elite bench celebration guy. Good to have around young teams. Okay, I'm maybe stretching it.

Always good to have several options though. Would save CHA a lot of money if they want to dump one of those salaries in exchange for Yabu's much smaller one.

[zoyathedestroya]

Crazy thought. What if we use this basis to absorb a bad contract from CHA? Would they kick in anything decent?

Renounce Morris.
1. ~$19M
2. Sign Terry to $17.9 takes you down to ~$10.4M.

S&T Terry, ($17.9), Baynes ($5.4), Yabu ($3.1M) => $26.4M + $10.4M cap => $36.8M
To take back Kemba and take back MKG, we need to send out $36.4M. Boom!

What would CHA throw in to get Terry & save $10M by having Yabu instead of MKG? First rounder? Hernangomez for Semi swap?

Solves the need for a 4th team. Gets a tradeable salary at the deadline. Or backup wing if we trade someone else.

Great defender. Still only 25. Perfect shooting form. Handled being out of the rotation well. Just had surgery to repair a chronic groin stain. Only one of those things is a lie.

I keep getting $37.7M for cap space btw. How many roster spots are you counting? 12 or 13? I may be missing one roster charge if it's 13. Could be the reason for the discrepancy.

[zoyathedestroya]

Who else can we add besides Kemba? Hmm...

[Froob]

Who else can we add besides Kemba? Hmm...

Danny Green? I’m more looking at bigs but Green would be valuable.

[zoyathedestroya]

Burn this entire thread to the ground.

Rozier's salary for the first year is $18,412,698.00 if 5% raises. And not $17,901,234.00!
Extra cap space that can be used if Rozier's contract is structured that way would be: $10,797,016.00. I think?

Marcus Morris's cap hold would still fit.
Not enough space for Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard unless Semi was waived or going back in the trade.

[Froob]

Does it have to be one player?

[djFan71]

Burn this entire thread to the ground.

Rozier's salary for the first year is $18,412,698.00 if 5% raises. And not $17,901,234.00!
Extra cap space that can be used if Rozier's contract is structured that way would be: $10,797,016.00. I think?

Marcus Morris's cap hold would still fit.
Not enough space for Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard unless Semi was waived or going back in the trade.

I thought that before, but thought maybe 5% was tied to BYC and was too lazy to look it up and trusted you...
Rest still works, though. If anything it's easier since we're sending out more.

[Fencer reregistered]

Crazy thought. What if we use this basis to absorb a bad contract from CHA? Would they kick in anything decent?

Renounce Morris.
1. ~$19M
2. Sign Terry to $17.9 takes you down to ~$10.4M.
.

I don't understand that arithmetic at all, unless you skipped a step or are misinterpreting BYC. Looks like ~$1 million left over to me.

[djFan71]

Crazy thought. What if we use this basis to absorb a bad contract from CHA? Would they kick in anything decent?

Renounce Morris.
1. ~$19M
2. Sign Terry to $17.9 takes you down to ~$10.4M.

S&T Terry, ($17.9), Baynes ($5.4), Yabu ($3.1M) => $26.4M + $10.4M cap => $36.8M
To take back Kemba and take back MKG, we need to send out $36.4M. Boom!

What would CHA throw in to get Terry & save $10M by having Yabu instead of MKG? First rounder? Hernangomez for Semi swap?

Solves the need for a 4th team. Gets a tradeable salary at the deadline. Or backup wing if we trade someone else.

Great defender. Still only 25. Perfect shooting form. Handled being out of the rotation well. Just had surgery to repair a chronic groin stain. Only one of those things is a lie.

I keep getting $37.7M for cap space btw. How many roster spots are you counting? 12 or 13? I may be missing one roster charge if it's 13. Could be the reason for the discrepancy.

I don't know how many roster spots to add while counting the cap holds for Rozier & Theis too. Do they count? I was being safe and going 12 spots + Rozier & Theis.

[djFan71]

Crazy thought. What if we use this basis to absorb a bad contract from CHA? Would they kick in anything decent?

Renounce Morris.
1. ~$19M
2. Sign Terry to $17.9 takes you down to ~$10.4M.
.

I don't understand that arithmetic at all, unless you skipped a step or are misinterpreting BYC. Looks like ~$1 million left over to me.

Terry's cap hold of $9.1M is counted to get you to $19M. Then you only subtract the difference between his real contract and the cap hold. All #s are slightly fuzzy, but that's the gist.

[djFan71]

Is taking Yabu's expiring into a 4th team's TPE too much trouble though? Cs could send the cash to take care of his salary. And it's always great to do these goodwill deals and deposit something into the favor bank for later use. I don't think it's unusual. Even if they're not enamored with Yabu, he's still an elite bench celebration guy. Good to have around young teams. Okay, I'm maybe stretching it.

Always good to have several options though. Would save CHA a lot of money if they want to dump one of those salaries in exchange for Yabu's much smaller one.

That's the main point. If we can swing sending Yabu to a TPE to free up the cap space and/or bring back a better player than MKG, great. The MKG version is a baseline that we know is very possible - 95% of it is approved already, then we just ask CHA if they want to save more money.

I actually, really like the MKG with Semi for Hernangomez swap option.

Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, RWIII
Smart, Langford, MKG, Hernangomez, Kanter
Edwards, GWill, Theis, Vet Min

Those first 2 units fit well for me. Hopefully Grant works his way into the 2nd unit soon. And that MKG contract for trades at the deadline after he does.

Poor CHA tho.... we do Kemba > Rozier, MKG > Semi, Willy > Yabu all so they can save $24M or so. Plus whatever the tax would have been with Kemba.

[zoyathedestroya]

Burn this entire thread to the ground.

Rozier's salary for the first year is $18,412,698.00 if 5% raises. And not $17,901,234.00!
Extra cap space that can be used if Rozier's contract is structured that way would be: $10,797,016.00. I think?

Marcus Morris's cap hold would still fit.
Not enough space for Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard unless Semi was waived or going back in the trade.

I thought that before, but thought maybe 5% was tied to BYC and was too lazy to look it up and trusted you...
Rest still works, though. If anything it's easier since we're sending out more.

I trusted Albert Nahmad on Twitter. I used the his figure for TRo and didn't bother to verify lol. It's $17.9M for 8% raises. But S&Ts are limited to 5% raises.

Outgoing salary is increased -- good for Kemba + another player. Remaining cap space is reduced, limiting straight-up trade options (my Meyers Leonard or Mo Harkless example). At least we get to keep Morris's cap hold haha. That must really be the plan.

[zoyathedestroya]

Does it have to be one player?

The $10.8 cap space can be used on more than one player. Sign a shooter and another big for example.

[zoyathedestroya]

BTW, the longer it goes without Morris getting a contract, the more I think we have something going with him. Possibly a trade, if not, just max out the resign money. We'll see after the Kawhi decision.


If Mook wants to join Kyrie, we can sign him for up to $9.68 and they can send Joe Harris back. And unsigned... Nic Claxton!

It does sure like Mook, a Klutch client, is waiting for whatever happens with the Kawhi situation. He could end up with the Clippers or Lakers. They may not need to deal with us since either could still have cap space, post-Kawhi decision. If Mook has another team in mind, then S&T is a possibility.

Morris trade could be independent of CHA-BOS-PHO trade bringing Kemba to Boston. I think we can take back more salary if those two trades are separate depending on the salary figure. With Theis cap hold retained, Mook's salary can go up to as much as $11,308,480.00 if no BYC. Past that number, BYC is triggered. Max amount of incoming salary dependent on his outgoing salary (either full or 50%, if BYC).

I think Nets have 11 players right now including Kyrie, KD, DAJ, and Temple. More likely they go for minimum vets to fill out the roster instead. You never know though.

Iffy on bolded too. I don't think we can have a separate Morris trade. Options are:
1) Have an expanded Kemba trade using Morris' new salary (S&T).
2) Sign Morris up to remaining space (could be too small for him) then execute the Kemba trade.

[djFan71]

OK, to make sure our numbers match.
Cap: $132.627M.

Hayward, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Langford, G WIll, R Will, Ojeleye, Edwards (0.89831), Yabu => 10 spots, $73.02126M total salary.
Theis & Rozier holds => $83.976068 total.

Do we need to add 2 more non-roster spots still? I assume so.
2 roster holds => $85.772688 total.

Leaving $23.367312 space before any deals. Renounced Morris.

Is that what you have?

[djFan71]

OK, to make sure our numbers match.
Cap: $132.627M.

Hayward, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Langford, G WIll, R Will, Ojeleye, Edwards (0.89831), Yabu => 10 spots, $73.02126M total salary.
Theis & Rozier holds => $83.976068 total.

Do we need to add 2 more non-roster spots still? I assume so.
2 roster holds => $85.772688 total.

Leaving $23.367312 space before any deals. Renounced Morris.

Is that what you have?

Dang it. Forgot Baynes rights. That takes us to $91.225968 pre-move. $17.914032M free.

[djFan71]

OK, to make sure our numbers match.
Cap: $132.627M.

Hayward, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Langford, G WIll, R Will, Ojeleye, Edwards (0.89831), Yabu => 10 spots, $73.02126M total salary.
Theis & Rozier holds => $83.976068 total.

Do we need to add 2 more non-roster spots still? I assume so.
2 roster holds => $85.772688 total.

Leaving $23.367312 space before any deals. Renounced Morris.

Is that what you have?

Dang it. Forgot Baynes rights. That takes us to $91.225968 pre-move. $17.914032M free.

Playing with Capulator, they add a roster hold if you renounce a cap hold, so I don't think you do need the 2 extra holds. So... 20 players, 2 holds for Theis & Rozier: $89.429348M salary, $19.710652M space before moves.

[djFan71]

I don't think my MKG scenario works. I was using the full cap space, but we need to sign Kanter first. I assume you can't use the Room MLE Exception if you don't end up over the cap after it, but I'm not sure.

$19.710652M free.
Sign Rozier to $18.412698M, remove hold: $9.15117M => $10.449124 free
Sign Kanter to $4.767M: $5.682124M free. No room mle since under cap still????
3 team trade with CHA/PHO send out Baynes, Rozier, Yabu, Semi => $28.6
+ free cap = $34.2M. Need $36.48M to take MKG back.

[Fencer reregistered]

Crazy thought. What if we use this basis to absorb a bad contract from CHA? Would they kick in anything decent?

Renounce Morris.
1. ~$19M
2. Sign Terry to $17.9 takes you down to ~$10.4M.
.

I don't understand that arithmetic at all, unless you skipped a step or are misinterpreting BYC. Looks like ~$1 million left over to me.

Terry's cap hold of $9.1M is counted to get you to $19M. Then you only subtract the difference between his real contract and the cap hold. All #s are slightly fuzzy, but that's the gist.

I'm still not getting it.
1. We need to still be under the cap after Kemba's salary is added.
2. After renouncing multiple FAs (or seeing them sign contracts w/ other teams), and assuming Baynes and Rozier go out in currently anticipated trades, we will have barely enough cap room after all those departures to absord Kemba's salary.

Absent a change in part #1 of that, where's the wiggle room?

[zoyathedestroya]

Forgot to quote you, dj.

...

Cap: $109.14M
Tax: $132.627M.

Hayward 32,700,690
Smart 12,553,471
Tatum 7,830,000
Brown 6,534,829
Yabusele 3,117,240
Williams 1,937,520
Ojeleye 1,618,520
Edwards 898,310

Langford 3,458,400
Williams 2,379,840

Rozier (hold) 9,151,170
Theis (hold) 1,803,638

Jackson* (stretched) 92,858
*doesn't count as a hold

TOTAL: 84,076,486

Cap space: $25,063,514 w/ every FA but Rozier and Theis renounced
Cap space w/ Baynes: $19,610,234 (in case three-team trade involving PHO)

We're only off by the amount of Jackson's stretched money. You missed that bit.