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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1341 » by Parliament10 » Sun Sep 1, 2019 8:17 am

Ernest wrote:I hope you guys are right about RW, but as someone else already said, lets not get carried away. He barely barely played at all last season- if you are expecting him to earn a starting role this year you are just setting yourself up to be let down. The next step for him is to play well enough to get more consistent development minutes. Like 10 a game, most games. If he can play 600 minutes this year and show any improvement during the year then that is a successful season. He doesn't need to start of prove himself better than a former starting center on a title team.

He did play in 32 Games last year.
I Agree that he needs to up it, over 600 mins. That's just over 7 mins a game.

10 mins a game would put him over 800 mins.
And you're right; Robert Williams is definitely not Starting this year.

I do feel that he'll end up being a Starter for us, though; in a year or so.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1342 » by cloverleaf » Sun Sep 1, 2019 5:52 pm

Ernest wrote:I hope you guys are right about RW, but as someone else already said, lets not get carried away. He barely barely played at all last season- if you are expecting him to earn a starting role this year you are just setting yourself up to be let down. The next step for him is to play well enough to get more consistent development minutes. Like 10 a game, most games. If he can play 600 minutes this year and show any improvement during the year then that is a successful season. He doesn't need to start of prove himself better than a former starting center on a title team.


Sure, he's a work in progress and will take time and experience, but he would have played more last season had his knees been in better shape.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1343 » by Homerclease » Sun Sep 1, 2019 5:53 pm

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Ernest wrote:I hope you guys are right about RW, but as someone else already said, lets not get carried away. He barely barely played at all last season- if you are expecting him to earn a starting role this year you are just setting yourself up to be let down. The next step for him is to play well enough to get more consistent development minutes. Like 10 a game, most games. If he can play 600 minutes this year and show any improvement during the year then that is a successful season. He doesn't need to start of prove himself better than a former starting center on a title team.

He did play in 32 Games last year.
I Agree that he needs to up it, over 600 mins. That's just over 7 mins a game.

10 mins a game would put him over 800 mins.
And you're right; Robert Williams is definitely not Starting this year.

I do feel that he'll end up being a Starter for us, though; in a year or so.

Rajon Rondo barely played his rookie year either
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1344 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Sep 2, 2019 10:56 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Hope so.. it’s just a weird pairing, I feel like Derozan/Aldridge is the closest match to Kemba/Hayward in approximate talent level. Good, but..


If and that's a big if Hayward reaches his level from 2016-17 he's better than both Derozan and Aldridge, he was in a different league back then. He averaged around 25 points in the playoffs against the best defense in the league and the soon to be champs Warriors. No idea if he will tho, time will tell.

By better than both Derozan and Aldridge, I meant that he was just so versatile, at 6'8 he was capable of attacking, scoring from the outside, passing and basically running the Jazz offense. He was really close to superstar status, imo(if he had 1 more season like that he'd probably be considered a superstar-level player)..
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1345 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Sep 2, 2019 11:01 am

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Ernest wrote:I hope you guys are right about RW, but as someone else already said, lets not get carried away. He barely barely played at all last season- if you are expecting him to earn a starting role this year you are just setting yourself up to be let down. The next step for him is to play well enough to get more consistent development minutes. Like 10 a game, most games. If he can play 600 minutes this year and show any improvement during the year then that is a successful season. He doesn't need to start of prove himself better than a former starting center on a title team.

He did play in 32 Games last year.
I Agree that he needs to up it, over 600 mins. That's just over 7 mins a game.

10 mins a game would put him over 800 mins.
And you're right; Robert Williams is definitely not Starting this year.

I do feel that he'll end up being a Starter for us, though; in a year or so.


Hopefully he will. As you wrote I doubt he starts, he needs to do a bit more work on his defensive awareness, I feel like he might foul out in 20 mins if he starts, he just goes after every block and is reckless at times, but it should change for the better with time.

I think Poirier and Theis will do some work. Having 2 rotation bigs at only around 7 mils combined, when you add Kanter, 3 bigs at 12 mils is fantastic. DA did pretty well considering the crazy money some role players got.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1346 » by cloverleaf » Mon Sep 2, 2019 8:26 pm

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Ernest wrote:I hope you guys are right about RW, but as someone else already said, lets not get carried away. He barely barely played at all last season- if you are expecting him to earn a starting role this year you are just setting yourself up to be let down. The next step for him is to play well enough to get more consistent development minutes. Like 10 a game, most games. If he can play 600 minutes this year and show any improvement during the year then that is a successful season. He doesn't need to start of prove himself better than a former starting center on a title team.

He did play in 32 Games last year.
I Agree that he needs to up it, over 600 mins. That's just over 7 mins a game.

10 mins a game would put him over 800 mins.
And you're right; Robert Williams is definitely not Starting this year.

I do feel that he'll end up being a Starter for us, though; in a year or so.

Rajon Rondo barely played his rookie year either


A nice thought, but Rondo played in 78 games, starting in 25 of them, for 1831 minutes and a 23.5 minutes per game average, as a rookie.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1347 » by Ernest » Mon Sep 2, 2019 8:28 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
Ernest wrote:I hope you guys are right about RW, but as someone else already said, lets not get carried away. He barely barely played at all last season- if you are expecting him to earn a starting role this year you are just setting yourself up to be let down. The next step for him is to play well enough to get more consistent development minutes. Like 10 a game, most games. If he can play 600 minutes this year and show any improvement during the year then that is a successful season. He doesn't need to start of prove himself better than a former starting center on a title team.

He did play in 32 Games last year.
I Agree that he needs to up it, over 600 mins. That's just over 7 mins a game.

10 mins a game would put him over 800 mins.
And you're right; Robert Williams is definitely not Starting this year.

I do feel that he'll end up being a Starter for us, though; in a year or so.

Rajon Rondo barely played his rookie year either


Using that kind of logic: Obama and me both like basketball. Therefore I will become the president.

I mean, come on, Rondo was a 9th pick that we went out and got. Also, your kind of wrong. Rondo played over 20 minutes a game, played all but 4 games and started 25 times in his rookie year.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1348 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Sep 3, 2019 12:07 am

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Andrew McCeltic wrote:Hope so.. it’s just a weird pairing, I feel like Derozan/Aldridge is the closest match to Kemba/Hayward in approximate talent level. Good, but..


If and that's a big if Hayward reaches his level from 2016-17 he's better than both Derozan and Aldridge, he was in a different league back then. He averaged around 25 points in the playoffs against the best defense in the league and the soon to be champs Warriors. No idea if he will tho, time will tell.

By better than both Derozan and Aldridge, I meant that he was just so versatile, at 6'8 he was capable of attacking, scoring from the outside, passing and basically running the Jazz offense. He was really close to superstar status, imo(if he had 1 more season like that he'd probably be considered a superstar-level player)..


Ideally, yeah. Watching Kemba in FIBA ball I also wonder how much he’s suffered from a lack of help. There’s a case that his reputation is deflated because he’s been carrying bad and badly designed teams on his back, and that with more help and better spacing he’ll look like a different player.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#1349 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:17 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
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Andrew McCeltic wrote:Hope so.. it’s just a weird pairing, I feel like Derozan/Aldridge is the closest match to Kemba/Hayward in approximate talent level. Good, but..


If and that's a big if Hayward reaches his level from 2016-17 he's better than both Derozan and Aldridge, he was in a different league back then. He averaged around 25 points in the playoffs against the best defense in the league and the soon to be champs Warriors. No idea if he will tho, time will tell.

By better than both Derozan and Aldridge, I meant that he was just so versatile, at 6'8 he was capable of attacking, scoring from the outside, passing and basically running the Jazz offense. He was really close to superstar status, imo(if he had 1 more season like that he'd probably be considered a superstar-level player)..


Ideally, yeah. Watching Kemba in FIBA ball I also wonder how much he’s suffered from a lack of help. There’s a case that his reputation is deflated because he’s been carrying bad and badly designed teams on his back, and that with more help and better spacing he’ll look like a different player.


That's true. Kemba was playing with 2 good role players at best last season, pretty poor CHA team overall.

I need some Celtics basketball in my life, already. FIBA's nice, cause we got so many guys, but I can't wait for the season.
Good assessment:

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I mean, I love Smitty... but... ya think????

He's the freaking all-star PG!


I could easily see Kemba being a 20/8 guy on improved efficiency this season. I think he has no issue scoring a little less if it helps the team.

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Post#1354 » by Jurry » Wed Sep 4, 2019 8:44 am

I am jonesin' for some C's...this fiba stuff doesn't do it for me come on baby i'm bored hit me in that green vein
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Post#1355 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Sep 4, 2019 9:34 am

Jurry wrote:I am jonesin' for some C's...this fiba stuff doesn't do it for me come on baby i'm bored hit me in that green vein


Game vs Turkey was exciting, but I feel the same way. I need me some C's b-ball.
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Post#1356 » by Disinformation » Wed Sep 4, 2019 9:06 pm

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Jurry wrote:I am jonesin' for some C's...this fiba stuff doesn't do it for me come on baby i'm bored hit me in that green vein


Game vs Turkey was exciting, but I feel the same way. I need me some C's b-ball.

I just want our boys to come home at this point. No one's playing that well and Tatum is hurt. Just come home and get ready for the season.
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Post#1357 » by Parliament10 » Wed Sep 4, 2019 10:25 pm

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Post#1358 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri Sep 6, 2019 9:12 am

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Damn, how old is he?

Anyways, as we were talking about the bigs, I feel like Brad needs to encourage both Poirier and Kanter to crash the offensive glass, they are both strong and have nose for the ball. Bob is quicker and more athletic so he can run back on defense.
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Post#1359 » by Triple7 » Fri Sep 6, 2019 4:29 pm

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Damn, how old is he?

Anyways, as we were talking about the bigs, I feel like Brad needs to encourage both Poirier and Kanter to crash the offensive glass, they are both strong and have nose for the ball. Bob is quicker and more athletic so he can run back on defense.


Well Kanter is one of the best offensive rebounders last season. He grabs a lot of rebounds despite his limited playing time. Poirier is also one of the best rebounders in Europe. I think we’ll be a much better rebounding team next season, with a good post up game, which is almost non-existent last year.
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