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Post#1521 » by themoneyteam2 » Sat Aug 1, 2020 8:03 pm

Boston going 4-4 puts them at 47-25. Unlikely they finish 4-4 but that’s worst case scenario.

Miami going 6-2 puts them at 47-26.

So Miami would need to go 7-1 (highly unlikely with their schedule) to overtake them as the 3 seed.
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Post#1522 » by Triple7 » Sun Aug 2, 2020 3:23 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:Boston going 4-4 puts them at 47-25. Unlikely they finish 4-4 but that’s worst case scenario.

Miami going 6-2 puts them at 47-26.

So Miami would need to go 7-1 (highly unlikely with their schedule) to overtake them as the 3 seed.


unless we go 3-5, then that’s a possiblity.
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Post#1530 » by themoneyteam2 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 5:27 pm

Celtics are allowing the 3rd most wide open 3PA in the bubble. Tied with Lakers. Teams are making 40% of them against C’s, 33.8% against the Lakers.

Defense needs to improve. Way too much miscommunication on switches that lead to guys being wide open
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I like Wanamaker. We are lucky to have him for the salary he is on.
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Post#1532 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Aug 5, 2020 6:02 pm

I think a lot of you guys have it backwards. The problem isn't our bench or role players. The problem is a lack of elite talent. Starting next season, we have like $102m+ sunk into our top 4 players. Could be $120m the year after that. With four 20ppg scorers, plus another 20ppg from Smart/Kanter, scoring should never be a problem for this team. Yeah, we are young, but more than that, we lack elite talent.

Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be. Every non-Celtics fan in the world is perfectly aware of this, so why aren't we? For his part, Tatum is top 15 but not top 10, and that just isn't good enough in a league where a dollar is worth more than five quarters.

Unless Tatum makes a Giannis-level leap, this core won't get it done. No sense blaming our role players for that.
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Post#1533 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Aug 5, 2020 6:47 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:I think a lot of you guys have it backwards. The problem isn't our bench or role players. The problem is a lack of elite talent. Starting next season, we have like $102m+ sunk into our top 4 players. Could be $120m the year after that. With four 20ppg scorers, plus another 20ppg from Smart/Kanter, scoring should never be a problem for this team. Yeah, we are young, but more than that, we lack elite talent.

Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be. Every non-Celtics fan in the world is perfectly aware of this, so why aren't we? For his part, Tatum is top 15 but not top 10, and that just isn't good enough in a league where a dollar is worth more than five quarters.

Unless Tatum makes a Giannis-level leap, this core won't get it done. No sense blaming our role players for that.


I'll cap to being included in this group. Fair point about Kemba and Hayward. I was a bit surprised by the Kemba deal when it happened and Hayward. Well we are where we are. But since those guys aren't going to change (well Hayward might after next season), the only way this team improves is with internal progress and with experience. Elite talent is not coming until it falls out of the sky and becomes available so we just have to proceed on until it does right? I don't want to re-litigate what we should've done necessarily. We could do that all day. I feel less likely that big trades are coming.
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Post#1534 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Aug 5, 2020 6:50 pm

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I like Wanamaker. We are lucky to have him for the salary he is on.


I know Wanamaker is not the reason we're losing games. I'm being a bit melodramatic here but I don't care. I do what I want. You're not the boss of me, Captain!!!
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Post#1535 » by keevsnick1 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 9:49 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:I think a lot of you guys have it backwards. The problem isn't our bench or role players. The problem is a lack of elite talent. Starting next season, we have like $102m+ sunk into our top 4 players. Could be $120m the year after that. With four 20ppg scorers, plus another 20ppg from Smart/Kanter, scoring should never be a problem for this team. Yeah, we are young, but more than that, we lack elite talent.

Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be. Every non-Celtics fan in the world is perfectly aware of this, so why aren't we? For his part, Tatum is top 15 but not top 10, and that just isn't good enough in a league where a dollar is worth more than five quarters.

Unless Tatum makes a Giannis-level leap, this core won't get it done. No sense blaming our role players for that.


I haven't heard one serious NBA analyst say anything other worse than Jaylen is absolutely worth his upcoming contract following his play this season
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Post#1536 » by themoneyteam2 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 10:14 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:I think a lot of you guys have it backwards. The problem isn't our bench or role players. The problem is a lack of elite talent. Starting next season, we have like $102m+ sunk into our top 4 players. Could be $120m the year after that. With four 20ppg scorers, plus another 20ppg from Smart/Kanter, scoring should never be a problem for this team. Yeah, we are young, but more than that, we lack elite talent.

Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be. Every non-Celtics fan in the world is perfectly aware of this, so why aren't we? For his part, Tatum is top 15 but not top 10, and that just isn't good enough in a league where a dollar is worth more than five quarters.

Unless Tatum makes a Giannis-level leap, this core won't get it done. No sense blaming our role players for that.


Not so sure about that. Celtics have arguably the best top 4 in the league. Kemba is an all-star and still one of the top point guards in the league when healthy. Tatum is a top 15 player who averaged 27/6/3 over the last 40 games of the year, playing like a borderline top 10 guy. Brown very well could be an all-star. Hayward gives you 17/6/4 on 50/39/84.

The problem is they have a whopping zero guys off the bench that are scoring and shooting threats. Just look at our top 9 guys. Smart is a great 6th man. Kanter is a solid backup big. Our top 7 is very good.

Then you have Wanamaker as 8th man who shouldn't even be in this league. There's a reason he spent 8 years in Europe. Semi as 9th man is a good defender and below average offensively.

Teams just aren't scared of anyone off the bench. That's the issue.
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Post#1537 » by themoneyteam2 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 10:19 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:I think a lot of you guys have it backwards. The problem isn't our bench or role players. The problem is a lack of elite talent. Starting next season, we have like $102m+ sunk into our top 4 players. Could be $120m the year after that. With four 20ppg scorers, plus another 20ppg from Smart/Kanter, scoring should never be a problem for this team. Yeah, we are young, but more than that, we lack elite talent.

Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be. Every non-Celtics fan in the world is perfectly aware of this, so why aren't we? For his part, Tatum is top 15 but not top 10, and that just isn't good enough in a league where a dollar is worth more than five quarters.

Unless Tatum makes a Giannis-level leap, this core won't get it done. No sense blaming our role players for that.


I haven't heard one serious NBA analyst say anything other worse than Jaylen is absolutely worth his upcoming contract following his play this season


There's no world that Jaylen Brown is going to be mediocre for what we pay him. He's a 23 yr old wing averaging 20/6/2 on 50% FG and 38% 3PT. He will make $22.9 million next year. Here are guys in that same range.

Nikola Vucevic: $26.0 million
Buddy Hield: $24.4 million
Lamarcus Aldrige: $24.0 million
Draymond Green: $22.6 million
Harrison Barnes: $22.2 million
Victor Oladipo: $21.0 million
Malcolm Brogdon: $20.7 million
Zach Lavine: $19.5 million
Gary Harris: $19.5 million
Tim Hardaway Jr: $19.2 million
Terry Rozier: $18.9 million

Looks to me like Brown's contract is pretty damn spot on for the player he is lol. Only Lavine and Oladipo are fringe all-star guys like Brown. He is only going to get better too.
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Post#1538 » by themoneyteam2 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 10:27 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote: Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be.


In a nutshell you would think this is true until you actually look at what the market dictates for free agents recently. Here is a list of the top contracts. You tell me what Hayward and Kemba should be paid. Kemba is still a top 25 player.

Klay Thompson: $35.6 million
Mike Conley: $34.5 million
Jimmy Butler: $33.4 million
Kemba Walker: $32.7 million
Gordon Hayward $34.18 milllion (Assuming he opts in)
Tobias Harris: $33.5 million
Khris Middleton: $33.05 million
Kevin Love: $31.3 million
Kyle Lowry: $30.0 million
Andrew Wiggins: $29.5 million
Kristaps Porzingis: $29.47 million
Jamal Murray: $29.25 million
D'Angelo Russell: $28.7 million
Otto Porter: $28.48 million
Demar DeRozan: $27.79 million
Al Horford: $27.6 million


If Tobias Harris is getting $33.5 million, how is Hayward mediocre for making $34.8 million when he's a better player than Tobias?

It's what the market dictates. Half the guys on that list shouldn't be making what they do but it's due to when they hit the open market. If washed Al Horford gets $27.6 million then I just don't understand how Kemba and Hayward getting $34 million is overpaying them lol.

Kemba is still an all-star for probably 2 more years. He also just hit the market when he was 3rd team all-NBA so of course he deserved the max. Hell, if Jamal Murray and D Lo make $29 million then I'm 100% sure Kemba is worth $4 more million per year than those guys lmao.
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Post#1539 » by 31to6 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 10:40 pm

If the **** Kings and **** Grizzlies hadn’t had surprisingly good years the last two years, sequentially, this rebuild would be rolling around in a vat of golden cocaine.

As it is, I still like our chances — next year, if not this.
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Post#1540 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Aug 5, 2020 11:10 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:I think a lot of you guys have it backwards. The problem isn't our bench or role players. The problem is a lack of elite talent. Starting next season, we have like $102m+ sunk into our top 4 players. Could be $120m the year after that. With four 20ppg scorers, plus another 20ppg from Smart/Kanter, scoring should never be a problem for this team. Yeah, we are young, but more than that, we lack elite talent.

Kemba and Hayward are completely mediocre for what we pay them, and Jaylen is about to be. Every non-Celtics fan in the world is perfectly aware of this, so why aren't we? For his part, Tatum is top 15 but not top 10, and that just isn't good enough in a league where a dollar is worth more than five quarters.

Unless Tatum makes a Giannis-level leap, this core won't get it done. No sense blaming our role players for that.


I haven't heard one serious NBA analyst say anything other worse than Jaylen is absolutely worth his upcoming contract following his play this season


We don't even know what the cap is, or if the league will do anything to address the impacts of COVID. But you should know that as it currently stands, his contract next year is a total catastrophe under a reduced cap. Ditto Kemba and Hayward.

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