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VC Count, 2019-20
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Victory Cigar
(5) Jaylen Brown
(4) Jayson Tatum
(3) Marcus Smart
(3) Kemba Walker
(2) Gordon Hayward




Ties go to the Team.
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(6) Jaylen Brown
(5) Kemba Walker
(2) Jayson Tatum
(2) Grant Williams
(1) Brad Wanamaker
(1) Robert Williams



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Defend home court at all costs.

I’m hoping Hayward and Smart can play.

CelticsPride18 wrote:I’m hoping Hayward and Smart can play.

Same.

Beat these jabronis by 20. I actually think we can beat them in a playoff series, which i did not think going into the season.

Rested Smart tonight to get ready for Embiid — I see you, Celtics

Just don't turn the ball over and force them into a halfcourt offense. No idea what to do with Embiid, just hope he jacks 5 threes like usual and tires out by the end of the game.

Hope we run Al and the rest of those punks out the house.

I care about nothing else this season.

Tai wrote:

CelticsPride18 wrote:I’m hoping Hayward and Smart can play.

Same.

Good news so far. :0)




Kick their mother **** asses for me, por favor.

Need the entire crew back for this one. Rob, Smart and Hayward.

Let's get this W.

Undefeated December is off the table?

Celtics will get killed on the boards. It is almost guaranteed. If they couldn't handle Sabonis from getting everything he wanted then they won't be able to deal with Embiid and Horford. This game will highlight even more the need for a big with size that can defend.

Kalela wrote:Celtics will get killed on the boards. It is almost guaranteed. If they couldn't handle Sabonis from getting everything he wanted then they won't be able to deal with Embiid and Horford. This game will highlight even more the need for a big with size that can defend.

It's interesting then that against Indiana the Celtics actually had more offensive rebounds, more defensive rebounds and more points in the paint than Indiana did.



I agree with you though that of the rebounds that Indy got, Sabonis got most of them. We'll see how our rebounding by committee works against Philly. Theis is going to have a problem so I would expect more Kanter especially if Timelord is still out.

ozgod wrote:

Kalela wrote:Celtics will get killed on the boards. It is almost guaranteed. If they couldn't handle Sabonis from getting everything he wanted then they won't be able to deal with Embiid and Horford. This game will highlight even more the need for a big with size that can defend.

It's interesting then that against Indiana the Celtics actually had more offensive rebounds, more defensive rebounds and more points in the paint than Indiana did.



I agree with you though that of the rebounds that Indy got, Sabonis got most of them. We'll see how our rebounding by committee works against Philly. Theis is going to have a problem so I would expect more Kanter especially if Timelord is still out.

My eye test said our lack of big defensive options was a factor in the loss. For one I think Brown, Theis and Williams all were in foul trouble for trying to compensate (and a number of **** calls to be fair).

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:

ozgod wrote:

Kalela wrote:Celtics will get killed on the boards. It is almost guaranteed. If they couldn't handle Sabonis from getting everything he wanted then they won't be able to deal with Embiid and Horford. This game will highlight even more the need for a big with size that can defend.

It's interesting then that against Indiana the Celtics actually had more offensive rebounds, more defensive rebounds and more points in the paint than Indiana did.



I agree with you though that of the rebounds that Indy got, Sabonis got most of them. We'll see how our rebounding by committee works against Philly. Theis is going to have a problem so I would expect more Kanter especially if Timelord is still out.

My eye test said our lack of big defensive options was a factor in the loss. For one I think Brown, Theis and Williams all were in foul trouble for trying to compensate (and a number of **** calls to be fair).

Again I agree to a point. It was certainly a factor. Sabonis was a +21. Also Brogdon drew a lot of fouls going to the rim, he shot 15-15 from the free throw line. If Timelord was around he probably doesn't attack the rim as much.

Though what really killed us in my opinion were the 4 straight turnovers (3 from JT and 1 from Wanamaker) to start the 4th when we led by 10, which shrank our lead to 2 and gave Indy momentum. And the fact that we had constant defensive breakdowns on the perimeter in the 2nd half that led to the Holidays torching us for 35 points on 15-23 shooting. I don't want to fall on the obvious narrative that we need a big - yes we do, but a) who is available for us; b) will they move the needle against the likes of Embiid/Giannis/etc and c) who are we willing to give up to get that big? Because we're going to give up one of our top 4 players to get one that moves the needle.

Thankfully Philly don't have as much perimeter threats, if we lose this one it's most likely going to be due to getting outmuscled inside or shredded on the fastbreak.

Run Embiid down, expose Simmons, win.

ozgod wrote:

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:

ozgod wrote:
It's interesting then that against Indiana the Celtics actually had more offensive rebounds, more defensive rebounds and more points in the paint than Indiana did.



I agree with you though that of the rebounds that Indy got, Sabonis got most of them. We'll see how our rebounding by committee works against Philly. Theis is going to have a problem so I would expect more Kanter especially if Timelord is still out.

My eye test said our lack of big defensive options was a factor in the loss. For one I think Brown, Theis and Williams all were in foul trouble for trying to compensate (and a number of **** calls to be fair).

Again I agree to a point. It was certainly a factor. Sabonis was a +21. Also Brogdon drew a lot of fouls going to the rim, he shot 15-15 from the free throw line. If Timelord was around he probably doesn't attack the rim as much.

Though what really killed us in my opinion were the 4 straight turnovers (3 from JT and 1 from Wanamaker) to start the 4th when we led by 10, which shrank our lead to 2 and gave Indy momentum. And the fact that we had constant defensive breakdowns on the perimeter in the 2nd half that led to the Holidays torching us for 35 points on 15-23 shooting. I don't want to fall on the obvious narrative that we need a big - yes we do, but a) who is available for us; b) will they move the needle against the likes of Embiid/Giannis/etc and c) who are we willing to give up to get that big? Because we're going to give up one of our top 4 players to get one that moves the needle.

Thankfully Philly don't have as much perimeter threats, if we lose this one it's most likely going to be due to getting outmuscled inside or shredded on the fastbreak.

From memory a lot of the perimeter defensive breakdowns were again because many players were try to cover the interior, Pacers would head towards them, three of our players would crowd and leave their man free on the perimeter.

We have a better defensive big and I bet less players try to come across.

But no doubt our bench and the start of the 4th cost us a lot. Tatum is becoming very good but he tried to rush too much of the play making then. Hopefully he’ll learn.

Harris, Scott, Richardson and Thybulle are perimeter threats. Kormaz, Horford and Embiid are serviceable there. We will be tested again but I’d rather we see where we are now so we can learn early in the season from it.

Personally I don’t think we need a big that moves the needle, just one defensively big and decent enough, eg Baynes that can’t be bullied by Embiid etc. I haven’t watched Valanciunas enough but seems to fit that bill. These kinda guys we can salary match without losing our core 5 which agree should be off the table. I’d rather improve from within than trade one of them right now.

Ozgood & Mojo are brand new 2019 posters with excellent insight.
Great addition of new blood to a group of us who have been here 10-15 years.

For many years, Truth had amazing stats in fourth quarters - especially the last 5 minutes or the last 2 minutes or the last 1 minute of very close.games. He not only would make the clutch shot more often than not, but he would calm things down & make the right pass. That is what we needed from Tat last night in the early Q4. Instead, he was turning it over because he was running around with his balls on fire. Brad finally wised up & added GH to Tat & 4 stooges line up - but the damage was done & then GH got his nose rearranged.

Speaking of GH, his longer range J was clearly off. Also, i did not like him not taking a couple of wide open shots. Reminded me of passive Gordon from too many games last year. Hopefully, he will quickly return to the All Pro GH we saw this year for 8 games before the hand injury.

We are off until next Wed after tonight,
Play balls to the wall tonight.
Garden will be very loud & we are **** jacked up.
Make it happen.

Beat Al Whore-Fraud and the Fraudadelphia Sixers. Losing is not an option. Still mad at Brad and Danny. Injuries are inevitable. Depth is clearly an issue with this team. Costing us a couple of wins already and potential over-extension of our main guys.

exculpatory wrote:Ozgood & Mojo are brand new 2019 posters with excellent insight.
Great addition of new blood to a group of us who have been here 10-15 years.

Awwww very kind of you, I better start stinking it up more.