Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

[Parliament10]

Keep the Main subject of this Thread on Trades.
So that we don't have to prematurely lock it, again.

~ Parl
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[MagicBagley18]

What the hell did you beautiful rejects do last night to get us on #3..........whoop whoop that’s the sound of the (grammar ) police

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Get me the Latvian laser Danny!!! bench help. Now!

[Feed Your Head]

Just an FYI, saying you'd rather trade Jaylen than Hayward because you would get real value back isn't being negative about Jaylen. And it's certainly not worth calling out a poster and starting a pissing match.

[exculpatory]

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[SmartWentCrazy]

I know I’m not a mod, but can we collectively just stop doing the “Were not trading player X!” or “Ainge wont be trading player X!”?

No ****, were likely not making any moves this year. The purpose of this thread was supposed to be to discuss moves and ascertain player value. No one should be off limits in this thread and this shouldn't be the place to stamp your feet because your binkie was mentioned.

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[Feed Your Head]

I know I’m not a mod, but can we collectively just stop doing the “Were not trading player X!” or “Ainge wont be trading player X!”?

No ****, were likely not making any moves this year. The purpose of this thread was supposed to be to discuss moves and ascertain player value. No one should be off limits in this thread and this shouldn't be the place to stamp your feet because your binkie was mentioned.

[/rant]

No backseat modding

For real though, people getting offended because their binkies get named in trade ideas is funny. I've said multiple times I'd trade Smart in a heartbeat if it's the right deal. I was telling everyone that if AD was ever going to happen, Tatum was going to have to go.

No need to be so sensitive over trade IDEAS lol.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’m going to continue to try to will a Covington trade to happen. He has two years left after this season and would not be a rental. He’ll hold significant value long term and I’m confident we could flip him again for value if it doesnt work out.

He’s a menace is the passing lanes and is one of the better team defenders in the league. He is a low usage player and is great at spacing the floor. Moreover, I trust him a hell of a lot more in the playoffs than Semi.

Romeo, Semi, Poirier and a non-Mem pick for RoCo. We then promote Waters to the main roster and save the last roster spot for a buy out candidate.

[GoCeltics123]

I’m going to continue to try to will a Covington trade to happen. He has two years left after this season and would not be a rental. He’ll hold significant value long term and I’m confident we could flip him again for value if it doesnt work out.

He’s a menace is the passing lanes and is one of the better team defenders in the league. He is a low usage player and is great at spacing the floor. Moreover, I trust him a hell of a lot more in the playoffs than Semi.

Romeo, Semi, Poirier and a non-Mem pick for RoCo. We then promote Waters to the main roster and save the last roster spot for a buy out candidate.

You would give up on Romeo already? I really like him.

But Covington would provide much-needed stability to the bench, for sure.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’m going to continue to try to will a Covington trade to happen. He has two years left after this season and would not be a rental. He’ll hold significant value long term and I’m confident we could flip him again for value if it doesnt work out.

He’s a menace is the passing lanes and is one of the better team defenders in the league. He is a low usage player and is great at spacing the floor. Moreover, I trust him a hell of a lot more in the playoffs than Semi.

Romeo, Semi, Poirier and a non-Mem pick for RoCo. We then promote Waters to the main roster and save the last roster spot for a buy out candidate.

You would give up on Romeo already? I really like him.

But Covington would provide much-needed stability to the bench, for sure.

I do really like him.

But, being honest, he’s not going to grow into whom I think he could be if he’s stuck behind a 22 yr old Tatum and a 23 year old Jaylen and a 25 year old Smart. Were not a good situation for him to maintain value long term.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I’m going to continue to try to will a Covington trade to happen. He has two years left after this season and would not be a rental. He’ll hold significant value long term and I’m confident we could flip him again for value if it doesnt work out.

He’s a menace is the passing lanes and is one of the better team defenders in the league. He is a low usage player and is great at spacing the floor. Moreover, I trust him a hell of a lot more in the playoffs than Semi.

Romeo, Semi, Poirier and a non-Mem pick for RoCo. We then promote Waters to the main roster and save the last roster spot for a buy out candidate.

If there's a scenario where you send out Hayward and Kanter and take back Covington, Bertans, and Favors, who agrees to re-up.. is that worth it? Favors can't shoot much but he's excellent defensively, Covington can guard Giannis types and stretch the floor.. we'd take a hit on offense, but our defense would become elite and our offense much more role-defined.. the ceiling over the next 2-3 years becomes Brown and Tatum's development as scorers.

[snowman]

I whole heartedly agree that this forum is the place to discuss trade IDEAS. No one should be coitized for an idea, simply because you don't agree with the outcome. Sometimes, I think "OK, I'm Danny, and this is what I would do" But if that were the case we would never make a trade, because I value our players WAYYYYYYY more then any other teams players and I would always want to win the trades LOL. I just think that unless a top 10 player in the league becomes available before the trade dead line, Danny is not going to move any of our top 10-11 players.

As far as any other assets, like picks or bottom 4-5 players on the roster, I'm sure he is considering it.
Keeping in mind that we have 9 players with guaranteed contracts next season. We have another 4 with team options, and 2 with player options, and 1 outright FA. So unless we are looking at waving a player, and stretching his remainder contract out we would have a MAX 7 spots. 3 of those team options spots are Tatum, Theis, and R. Williams. I don't see any of them going anywhere.

If both Hayward and Kanter pick up their options, (which I doubt either will) we would have 2 spots, if we don't pick up Semi's final year and let him and Wannamaker walk. I think in some way Hayward will still be with the club next season. He will either pick up his option, or we will sign him to a newer contract. Same thing with Kanter.

So, IMO, that leaves 2 spots open and (2 two ways spots) for 3 first round picks, 1 or 2 2nd round picks, Waters and Fall. Since 1st round picks can't be put into a 2 way spots, that's where the 2nds will go.

It' seems to me that Danny has 1 of 4 options:
1) make a 3 out 1 in trade now (very possible)
2) trade the 3 1st's along with players now for 1 larger contract (most likely IMO)
3) trade picks for future picks in later drafts. ( this is being called a sub par draft. Most don't want to give up picks in a better draft, for picks in a poor one)
4) draft and stash players overseas ( that worked out so well last time with Yabu and Zizic)

This is why I focus on trade idea with picks and end of the bench players in most of my ideas.

[floyd]

Not to pile on but the idea that anyone is off limits is kind of ridiculous. Ainge would trade his mother. Fine if you think no deals are out there but let’s not pretend sentiment will enter into the equation.

[snowman]

I was just looking at the Det - Atl trade that fell through, mainly because Atl didn't want to give up the Brooklyn 1st in the deal, thought it was to high a pick to add. What if we offered Atl the Milwaukee pick (30) and our pick (23), along with Brooklyn's 2nd round pick (45) for the Brooklyn pick (15). Then they could give up the mil pick in the deal if they wanted.

So:
23, 30, and 45
for
15

[Captain_Caveman]

I know I’m not a mod, but can we collectively just stop doing the “Were not trading player X!” or “Ainge wont be trading player X!”?

No ****, were likely not making any moves this year. The purpose of this thread was supposed to be to discuss moves and ascertain player value. No one should be off limits in this thread and this shouldn't be the place to stamp your feet because your binkie was mentioned.

[/rant]

No backseat modding

For real though, people getting offended because their binkies get named in trade ideas is funny. I've said multiple times I'd trade Smart in a heartbeat if it's the right deal. I was telling everyone that if AD was ever going to happen, Tatum was going to have to go.

No need to be so sensitive over trade IDEAS lol.

Seriously. And back to the point, Hayward has little trade value because he is essentially an expiring contract. Shoot, given that he only opts in if he gets another serious injury, he's a lot worse than an expiring contract. People can keep creating hypothetical Hayward trades because that's what this thread is for, but my take is that it is pretty unlikely and would likely be a bad move for us given the realistic options.

[sam_I_am]

I know I’m not a mod, but can we collectively just stop doing the “Were not trading player X!” or “Ainge wont be trading player X!”?

No ****, were likely not making any moves this year. The purpose of this thread was supposed to be to discuss moves and ascertain player value. No one should be off limits in this thread and this shouldn't be the place to stamp your feet because your binkie was mentioned.

[/rant]

No backseat modding

For real though, people getting offended because their binkies get named in trade ideas is funny. I've said multiple times I'd trade Smart in a heartbeat if it's the right deal. I was telling everyone that if AD was ever going to happen, Tatum was going to have to go.

No need to be so sensitive over trade IDEAS lol.

Seriously. And back to the point, Hayward has little trade value because he is essentially an expiring contract. Shoot, given that he only opts in if he gets another serious injury, he's a lot worse than an expiring contract. People can keep creating hypothetical Hayward trades because that's what this thread is for, but my take is that it is pretty unlikely and would likely be a bad move for us given the realistic options.

You are probably right. However, a worthwhile asset in return is better than nothing. Do you think trading Hayward for a tangible asset of lesser value right now will cost the Celtics a title or a game 7 ECF? Or do you think like I do that with or without him a second round exit is probable?

[Captain_Caveman]

No backseat modding

For real though, people getting offended because their binkies get named in trade ideas is funny. I've said multiple times I'd trade Smart in a heartbeat if it's the right deal. I was telling everyone that if AD was ever going to happen, Tatum was going to have to go.

No need to be so sensitive over trade IDEAS lol.

Seriously. And back to the point, Hayward has little trade value because he is essentially an expiring contract. Shoot, given that he only opts in if he gets another serious injury, he's a lot worse than an expiring contract. People can keep creating hypothetical Hayward trades because that's what this thread is for, but my take is that it is pretty unlikely and would likely be a bad move for us given the realistic options.

You are probably right. However, a worthwhile asset in return is better than nothing. Do you think trading Hayward for a tangible asset of lesser value right now will cost the Celtics a title or a game 7 ECF? Or do you think like I do that with or without him a second round exit is probable?

I'd rather resign Hayward than deal him for 30 cents on the dollar.

[100proof]

Seriously. And back to the point, Hayward has little trade value because he is essentially an expiring contract. Shoot, given that he only opts in if he gets another serious injury, he's a lot worse than an expiring contract. People can keep creating hypothetical Hayward trades because that's what this thread is for, but my take is that it is pretty unlikely and would likely be a bad move for us given the realistic options.

That foolish.

Put team into luxury tax, cripple chances to add pieces that are needed to truly contend, just cause you love hayward.

You are probably right. However, a worthwhile asset in return is better than nothing. Do you think trading Hayward for a tangible asset of lesser value right now will cost the Celtics a title or a game 7 ECF? Or do you think like I do that with or without him a second round exit is probable?

I'd rather resign Hayward than deal him for 30 cents on the dollar.

[Floody100]

Carsen Edwards, Semi Ojeleye.

[100proof]

Team needs work.

Needs a bench

[Fencer reregistered]

I was just looking at the Det - Atl trade that fell through, mainly because Atl didn't want to give up the Brooklyn 1st in the deal, thought it was to high a pick to add. What if we offered Atl the Milwaukee pick (30) and our pick (23), along with Brooklyn's 2nd round pick (45) for the Brooklyn pick (15). Then they could give up the mil pick in the deal if they wanted.

So:
23, 30, and 45
for
15

You mean after the season, right? I don't want to trade for a team's pick in-season and then have them motivated to not-tank, unless the rest of the deal is too good to pass up.