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Post#1301 » by sam_I_am » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:25 pm

If we draft on need, my biggest wishes in order are 1. A lengthy 6-10 athlete who can defend 3-5 and hit 3s. 2. A pure 3 pt shooter. 3. Another PG who can start in 2-3 years. However, always draft best player available or trade for a veteran sixth man type is my preferred strategy.

Our C position is really set with Thies/RW/Grant. With 4 starters who can drop 20 ppg in NBA plus Smart we don’t need more offense from C. The fact that we can get 15 fouls, 10-15 rebs and 15-20 pts from that trio is great. Kanter is perfect situational C when team has to face huge centers like Embiid. Taco and Poirier are solid bench prospects but may never pan out.
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Post#1302 » by 31to6 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 pm

playa-hater wrote:*a side note. I want Boston to keep their 14th pick as I see some good value/talent there. I also wish Boston can try to consolidate their 26,30 and 2nd rder plus one of their recent picks (edwards?) and move up to the teens and get another talent that they really like. we/Boston doesn't need more quantity, we need more quality.


Good thought! I’ve been thinking “move up from 14” but I also like a lot of guys in the teens, so maybe we should just double our haul in that area of the draft.

All depends how it plays out and who our FO likes obviously.
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Post#1303 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:02 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:I wouldnt go guard with the 14th pick. Too many solid wings to choose from at that time, while there should still be solid backup PG guys late in the 1st.

14th: Precious, Bey, Nesmith

Either one of those 3 would be really solid fits. Then with the later 2 picks I would be looking at

Tre Jones or Nico Mannion for backup PG. Either one of those guys would ideal backups for your guys system. I can also see Josh Green and Cassius Stanley as a Danny Ainge type pick. Both guys are raw top tier athletes, Green is the better day 1 defender while Stanley is the better day 1 shooter. Another guy I would look at late in the 1st is Jalen Smith. He was pretty much the college version of Daniel Theis last year. 6'10 shot blocker with potential with his 3pt shot.

I dont think Cole Anthony or RJ makes much sense. When it comes to small shoot first PG like Cole, you guys picked that up last year with Carsen Edwards. Scoring 2 guard like RJ, you guys picked that up last year with Romeo.


I feel like I keep getting sucked down that rabbit hole because I agree that this draft is loaded with intriguing PGs. So many that I really like.

BUT the wings available seem like they will have lower ceilings.Ugh. I guess it's a good problem to have because Danny has lots of options at this point.

We clearly have a need for a big wing who can shoot from deep. We also need someone really physical in the middle. I like all three of the guys you mentioned and as I said get very easily seduced by thinking about all of our first round picks together...meaning getting wing, a big, and PG with 14, 26, 30...like a package deal.

HOWEVER, I'm starting to think that we need to only look at 14 because that is the pick where we are most able to get an all-star level talent.

And thinking like that, I'm currently very excited about Kira Lewis and Patrick Williams.

The more I watch Kira, the more I see a special player. He floats out there. I think he's going to be a tremendous pro.I'm just feeling really high on him right now.

I know it's not our biggest need, and I know there are a ton of PGs in this draft. But I think Kira is a star. And he seems like he would fit right in with our team and system.


Ya that's the difference in how we view it. I'm honestly not looking at the ceiling of any of these players because outside of maybe 4-5 guys in this draft total, I'm not seeing all star potential. I personally think this draft is horrible when it comes to high potential players. So I'm looking at more just guys who I think are the safest bets to have long solid careers. Just don't think this is the draft to be looking for diamonds in the rough.
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Post#1304 » by BostonCouchGM » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:49 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I wouldnt go guard with the 14th pick. Too many solid wings to choose from at that time, while there should still be solid backup PG guys late in the 1st.

14th: Precious, Bey, Nesmith

Either one of those 3 would be really solid fits. Then with the later 2 picks I would be looking at

Tre Jones or Nico Mannion for backup PG. Either one of those guys would ideal backups for your guys system. I can also see Josh Green and Cassius Stanley as a Danny Ainge type pick. Both guys are raw top tier athletes, Green is the better day 1 defender while Stanley is the better day 1 shooter. Another guy I would look at late in the 1st is Jalen Smith. He was pretty much the college version of Daniel Theis last year. 6'10 shot blocker with potential with his 3pt shot.

I dont think Cole Anthony or RJ makes much sense. When it comes to small shoot first PG like Cole, you guys picked that up last year with Carsen Edwards. Scoring 2 guard like RJ, you guys picked that up last year with Romeo.


I feel like I keep getting sucked down that rabbit hole because I agree that this draft is loaded with intriguing PGs. So many that I really like.

BUT the wings available seem like they will have lower ceilings.Ugh. I guess it's a good problem to have because Danny has lots of options at this point.

We clearly have a need for a big wing who can shoot from deep. We also need someone really physical in the middle. I like all three of the guys you mentioned and as I said get very easily seduced by thinking about all of our first round picks together...meaning getting wing, a big, and PG with 14, 26, 30...like a package deal.

HOWEVER, I'm starting to think that we need to only look at 14 because that is the pick where we are most able to get an all-star level talent.


And thinking like that, I'm currently very excited about Kira Lewis and Patrick Williams.

The more I watch Kira, the more I see a special player. He floats out there. I think he's going to be a tremendous pro.I'm just feeling really high on him right now.

I know it's not our biggest need, and I know there are a ton of PGs in this draft. But I think Kira is a star. And he seems like he would fit right in with our team and system.


Ya that's the difference in how we view it. I'm honestly not looking at the ceiling of any of these players because outside of maybe 4-5 guys in this draft total, I'm not seeing all star potential. I personally think this draft is horrible when it comes to high potential players. So I'm looking at more just guys who I think are the safest bets to have long solid careers. Just don't think this is the draft to be looking for diamonds in the rough.


that seems to be the consensus which I totally. disagree with. I think this draft is similar to 2016. Back then everyone said it was a two player draft with no high ceiling players after that. We now know all those draft gurus are dead wrong like they are every year. Like every draft, good drafting G.M.s will find diamonds in the rough late, whether a starter or quality role player.
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Post#1305 » by djFan71 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:17 pm

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playa-hater wrote:*a side note. I want Boston to keep their 14th pick as I see some good value/talent there. I also wish Boston can try to consolidate their 26,30 and 2nd rder plus one of their recent picks (edwards?) and move up to the teens and get another talent that they really like. we/Boston doesn't need more quantity, we need more quality.


Good thought! I’ve been thinking “move up from 14” but I also like a lot of guys in the teens, so maybe we should just double our haul in that area of the draft.

All depends how it plays out and who our FO likes obviously.

I really want to do a 26/30/47 for 16-20 range as well which seems fair. End up with 2 guys that could be really solid contributors.

POR fans wnat to rip us off for taking Kanter into their TPE. But something like Kanter, 26, 30, 47 for 18 could work, imo. That's only useful if dumping Kanter for $ flexibility is going to be helpful based on other moves. Unlikely we know in time for the draft, so I think this is out.

MIN has 1, 17, 33 already so adding 26 & 30 doesn't help them. They're probably looking to use 17/JJ to get a better player that we can't offer.

DAL having 18 & 31 kinda hurts, but I think they wanna attach a pick to get rid of Wright's deal for '21 free agency. So, if they split to 26,30,31 they can send out one of them and still have 2.

BKN at 19 is a possibility just straight 26/30. They get two cheap guys instead of 1.

MIA at 20 is pretty unlikely just cuz.

PHI at 21 I really like doing 26,30 for 21 & 34. We move up a few spots, then get the non-guaranteed 34 instead of 30.

Any lower than that isn't worth it.

ORL at 15, I'm not sure what we'd offer them beyond 26,30,47 to make them interested. Romeo & 26? Not sure I'd do that.
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Post#1306 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:27 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
I feel like I keep getting sucked down that rabbit hole because I agree that this draft is loaded with intriguing PGs. So many that I really like.

BUT the wings available seem like they will have lower ceilings.Ugh. I guess it's a good problem to have because Danny has lots of options at this point.

We clearly have a need for a big wing who can shoot from deep. We also need someone really physical in the middle. I like all three of the guys you mentioned and as I said get very easily seduced by thinking about all of our first round picks together...meaning getting wing, a big, and PG with 14, 26, 30...like a package deal.

HOWEVER, I'm starting to think that we need to only look at 14 because that is the pick where we are most able to get an all-star level talent.


And thinking like that, I'm currently very excited about Kira Lewis and Patrick Williams.

The more I watch Kira, the more I see a special player. He floats out there. I think he's going to be a tremendous pro.I'm just feeling really high on him right now.

I know it's not our biggest need, and I know there are a ton of PGs in this draft. But I think Kira is a star. And he seems like he would fit right in with our team and system.


Ya that's the difference in how we view it. I'm honestly not looking at the ceiling of any of these players because outside of maybe 4-5 guys in this draft total, I'm not seeing all star potential. I personally think this draft is horrible when it comes to high potential players. So I'm looking at more just guys who I think are the safest bets to have long solid careers. Just don't think this is the draft to be looking for diamonds in the rough.


that seems to be the consensus which I totally. disagree with. I think this draft is similar to 2016. Back then everyone said it was a two player draft with no high ceiling players after that. We now know all those draft gurus are dead wrong like they are every year. Like every draft, good drafting G.M.s will find diamonds in the rough late, whether a starter or quality role player.


2016 is still a horrible draft. And its not like they got it all that wrong. Simmons and Ingram were the two obvious guys (both all stars already so they got that part right). Brown was the obvious #3 choice, had a high ceiling but much more raw than Simmons and Ingram. Then it was a complete crap shoot from there on out. Murray was a gunner that everyone knew when he gets hot, gets really hot but doesnt bring much else and was very inconsistent. Sure you can go and hope you find a Siakam, but show me the long athletic 6'9 wing that just started playing basketball a couple years ago.

The 2016 draft is filled with landmines. Half the lotto were complete busts, then either than LaVert, Siakam and Murray in the rest of the 1st. You got a bunch of guys getting traded from team to team and trying to hang onto a roster spot.

Im not saying there are no solid rotation players or starters in the middle of the 1st. I think there are going to be solid guys you can get. Most drafts youre looking at 0-1 all stars from pick 14 on. This just isnt a deep class when it comes to all star talent. I just think it would be a smarter route to get the safer players that are much more likely are going to be solid rotation/starters then swing for the fences for a HR pick in a draft that is severely lacking HR players.
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Post#1307 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:52 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
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Duke4life831 wrote:
Ya that's the difference in how we view it. I'm honestly not looking at the ceiling of any of these players because outside of maybe 4-5 guys in this draft total, I'm not seeing all star potential. I personally think this draft is horrible when it comes to high potential players. So I'm looking at more just guys who I think are the safest bets to have long solid careers. Just don't think this is the draft to be looking for diamonds in the rough.


that seems to be the consensus which I totally. disagree with. I think this draft is similar to 2016. Back then everyone said it was a two player draft with no high ceiling players after that. We now know all those draft gurus are dead wrong like they are every year. Like every draft, good drafting G.M.s will find diamonds in the rough late, whether a starter or quality role player.


2016 is still a horrible draft. And its not like they got it all that wrong. Simmons and Ingram were the two obvious guys (both all stars already so they got that part right). Brown was the obvious #3 choice, had a high ceiling but much more raw than Simmons and Ingram. Then it was a complete crap shoot from there on out. Murray was a gunner that everyone knew when he gets hot, gets really hot but doesnt bring much else and was very inconsistent. Sure you can go and hope you find a Siakam, but show me the long athletic 6'9 wing that just started playing basketball a couple years ago.

The 2016 draft is filled with landmines. Half the lotto were complete busts, then either than LaVert, Siakam and Murray in the rest of the 1st. You got a bunch of guys getting traded from team to team and trying to hang onto a roster spot.

Im not saying there are no solid rotation players or starters in the middle of the 1st. I think there are going to be solid guys you can get. Most drafts youre looking at 0-1 all stars from pick 14 on. This just isnt a deep class when it comes to all star talent. I just think it would be a smarter route to get the safer players that are much more likely are going to be solid rotation/starters then swing for the fences for a HR pick in a draft that is severely lacking HR players.


Brodgon and Lavert were also drafted in 2016.
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Post#1308 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:54 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:
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that seems to be the consensus which I totally. disagree with. I think this draft is similar to 2016. Back then everyone said it was a two player draft with no high ceiling players after that. We now know all those draft gurus are dead wrong like they are every year. Like every draft, good drafting G.M.s will find diamonds in the rough late, whether a starter or quality role player.


2016 is still a horrible draft. And its not like they got it all that wrong. Simmons and Ingram were the two obvious guys (both all stars already so they got that part right). Brown was the obvious #3 choice, had a high ceiling but much more raw than Simmons and Ingram. Then it was a complete crap shoot from there on out. Murray was a gunner that everyone knew when he gets hot, gets really hot but doesnt bring much else and was very inconsistent. Sure you can go and hope you find a Siakam, but show me the long athletic 6'9 wing that just started playing basketball a couple years ago.

The 2016 draft is filled with landmines. Half the lotto were complete busts, then either than LaVert, Siakam and Murray in the rest of the 1st. You got a bunch of guys getting traded from team to team and trying to hang onto a roster spot.

Im not saying there are no solid rotation players or starters in the middle of the 1st. I think there are going to be solid guys you can get. Most drafts youre looking at 0-1 all stars from pick 14 on. This just isnt a deep class when it comes to all star talent. I just think it would be a smarter route to get the safer players that are much more likely are going to be solid rotation/starters then swing for the fences for a HR pick in a draft that is severely lacking HR players.


Brodgon and Lavert were also drafted in 2016.

Ya and theyre good starters. Neither one would sniff an all star team if they were in the West. They arent what Id call all star players. But good starters.
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Post#1309 » by playa-hater » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:24 pm

31to6 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:*a side note. I want Boston to keep their 14th pick as I see some good value/talent there. I also wish Boston can try to consolidate their 26,30 and 2nd rder plus one of their recent picks (edwards?) and move up to the teens and get another talent that they really like. we/Boston doesn't need more quantity, we need more quality.


Good thought! I’ve been thinking “move up from 14” but I also like a lot of guys in the teens, so maybe we should just double our haul in that area of the draft.

All depends how it plays out and who our FO likes obviously.


I have thought about that trade up from 14 as well. Just not sure who in the top 10 would be worthy of that. Some say that next Bam player whose name I can't remember.

But who would you want in a trade up??
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Post#1310 » by playa-hater » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:25 pm

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31to6 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:*a side note. I want Boston to keep their 14th pick as I see some good value/talent there. I also wish Boston can try to consolidate their 26,30 and 2nd rder plus one of their recent picks (edwards?) and move up to the teens and get another talent that they really like. we/Boston doesn't need more quantity, we need more quality.


Good thought! I’ve been thinking “move up from 14” but I also like a lot of guys in the teens, so maybe we should just double our haul in that area of the draft.

All depends how it plays out and who our FO likes obviously.

I really want to do a 26/30/47 for 16-20 range as well which seems fair. End up with 2 guys that could be really solid contributors.

POR fans wnat to rip us off for taking Kanter into their TPE. But something like Kanter, 26, 30, 47 for 18 could work, imo. That's only useful if dumping Kanter for $ flexibility is going to be helpful based on other moves. Unlikely we know in time for the draft, so I think this is out.

MIN has 1, 17, 33 already so adding 26 & 30 doesn't help them. They're probably looking to use 17/JJ to get a better player that we can't offer.

DAL having 18 & 31 kinda hurts, but I think they wanna attach a pick to get rid of Wright's deal for '21 free agency. So, if they split to 26,30,31 they can send out one of them and still have 2.

BKN at 19 is a possibility just straight 26/30. They get two cheap guys instead of 1.

MIA at 20 is pretty unlikely just cuz.

PHI at 21 I really like doing 26,30 for 21 & 34. We move up a few spots, then get the non-guaranteed 34 instead of 30.

Any lower than that isn't worth it.

ORL at 15, I'm not sure what we'd offer them beyond 26,30,47 to make them interested. Romeo & 26? Not sure I'd do that.


not sure what trade would work, but like your ideas..
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Post#1311 » by GoGreen » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:43 pm

The more i look at this draft the less i know who i want lol. There's just not a lot of guys I think would be a great fit here. I think a Hayward, facilitator type at the 4 would be great. Someone to replace him and play unselfishly, I'm not even sure exists in this draft. And for PGs, the guys i like have major flaws. I think Devin Vassel would make for a great fit... just wish he was taller. Got enough 6'7" and under wings.
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Post#1312 » by playa-hater » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:02 pm

GoGreen wrote:The more i look at this draft the less i know who i want lol. There's just not a lot of guys I think would be a great fit here. I think a Hayward, facilitator type at the 4 would be great. Someone to replace him and play unselfishly, I'm not even sure exists in this draft. And for PGs, the guys i like have major flaws. I think Devin Vassel would make for a great fit... just wish he was taller. Got enough 6'7" and under wings.


In today's game, switch-able defenders at 6'7 is the perfect size.. Outside of Embiid, who can really kills us with size?? BTW, Romeo is stll an proven shooter, Semi is proven to be not that good... I think Boston doesn't have enough 6'7 swing players at all.. the 2 Js and a getting older, might not even be around GH..
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Post#1313 » by djFan71 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:03 pm

Would you use Romeo & other picks to move up into the 6-9 range? Might be like 4-5 dimes for a quarter. You're looking at maybe Hayes, Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell. I'm not sure if other team would do it, but even something like

Romeo, 14 & 30 for 7

Value-wise, it's an overpay. And I get the arguments against trading up. And you could argue Romeo will be better than anyone at 7, so this is dumb, and I'm not sure I'd fight ya. His D looks great. BUT..... Hayes or Okongwu especially I'd be tempted, and it seems like one of the 2 would be there. If you come out with one of those 2, and still have 26 and 47, that's a great draft.
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Post#1314 » by playa-hater » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:10 pm

djFan71 wrote:Would you use Romeo & other picks to move up into the 6-9 range? Might be like 4-5 dimes for a quarter. You're looking at maybe Hayes, Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell. I'm not sure if other team would do it, but even something like

Romeo, 14 & 30 for 7

Value-wise, it's an overpay. And I get the arguments against trading up. And you could argue Romeo will be better than anyone at 7, so this is dumb, and I'm not sure I'd fight ya. His D looks great. BUT..... Hayes or Okongwu especially I'd be tempted, and it seems like one of the 2 would be there. If you come out with one of those 2, and still have 26 and 47, that's a great draft.


2 thoughts.

1- has Romeo proven anything that an other team would be willing to give up a higher draft pick for?

2- would Ainge even consider a trade using Romeo?? It would be like admitting he made a draft mistake in picking him..

me personally, I would want a more step in and produce player than Romeo's longer term potential.. Who that is is the real question..
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GoGreen wrote:The more i look at this draft the less i know who i want lol. There's just not a lot of guys I think would be a great fit here. I think a Hayward, facilitator type at the 4 would be great. Someone to replace him and play unselfishly, I'm not even sure exists in this draft. And for PGs, the guys i like have major flaws. I think Devin Vassel would make for a great fit... just wish he was taller. Got enough 6'7" and under wings.


In today's game, switch-able defenders at 6'7 is the perfect size.. Outside of Embiid, who can really kills us with size?? BTW, Romeo is stll an proven shooter, Semi is proven to be not that good... I think Boston doesn't have enough 6'7 swing players at all.. the 2 Js and a getting older, might not even be around GH..

Yeah, I want all the wings all the time. We definitely didn't have enough playable ones against TOR with Gordon out. Smart fills in nicely, but Gordon back and one more real quality one would be great. Maybe Romeo gets there, but he's a little short (though great wingspan) and like you said the shot is rough.
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Post#1316 » by djFan71 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:39 pm

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djFan71 wrote:Would you use Romeo & other picks to move up into the 6-9 range? Might be like 4-5 dimes for a quarter. You're looking at maybe Hayes, Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell. I'm not sure if other team would do it, but even something like

Romeo, 14 & 30 for 7

Value-wise, it's an overpay. And I get the arguments against trading up. And you could argue Romeo will be better than anyone at 7, so this is dumb, and I'm not sure I'd fight ya. His D looks great. BUT..... Hayes or Okongwu especially I'd be tempted, and it seems like one of the 2 would be there. If you come out with one of those 2, and still have 26 and 47, that's a great draft.


2 thoughts.

1- has Romeo proven anything that an other team would be willing to give up a higher draft pick for?

2- would Ainge even consider a trade using Romeo?? It would be like admitting he made a draft mistake in picking him..

me personally, I would want a more step in and produce player than Romeo's longer term potential.. Who that is is the real question..

1, I'm not sure. He's proven far better a defender than expected. Offense is the great unknown, but he's shown flashes of being able to get to the rim. The other team would be relying on their own pre-draft scouting from last year and the hope that there just wasn't time behind the Jays and with the injuries to really show what Romeo could do.

2. Not even a consideration in my mind. If he thought the deal benefitted the team, Romeo's gone.

Agree on more of a win now type trade. I'm just playing in the trade-up draft mode now. :)
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Post#1317 » by 100proof » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:05 pm

Would detroit trade Rose and 7 for Romeo, Poirer, Edwards, 14 and 26?

maybe washington trade Bryant and 9 for Kanter, Romeo, Edwards 14 and 26?

Also I think that #6 and Huerter + TPE for Hayward is a deal that both teams would have interest in. ( i like this option because it give the Celtics the ability to trade a pick(14 or 26) for a salary or fake sign and trade that can help the team now. A deal of Hayward four Huerter would create a TPW of over 30 million
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Post#1318 » by playa-hater » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:14 pm

100proof wrote:Would detroit trade Rose and 7 for Romeo, Poirer, Edwards, 14 and 26?

maybe washington trade Bryant and 9 for Kanter, Romeo, Edwards 14 and 26?

Also I think that #6 and Huerter + TPE for Hayward is a deal that both teams would have interest in. ( i like this option because it give the Celtics the ability to trade a pick(14 or 26) for a salary or fake sign and trade that can help the team now. A deal of Hayward four Huerter would create a TPW of over 30 million


I think everyone is over selling Gordon Hayward's trade value ... between his age injury durability concerns and contract size ..there is no way a lottery team trading a lottery pick for someone who may just be there for a year
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Post#1319 » by 100proof » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:56 pm

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100proof wrote:Would detroit trade Rose and 7 for Romeo, Poirer, Edwards, 14 and 26?

maybe washington trade Bryant and 9 for Kanter, Romeo, Edwards 14 and 26?

Also I think that #6 and Huerter + TPE for Hayward is a deal that both teams would have interest in. ( i like this option because it give the Celtics the ability to trade a pick(14 or 26) for a salary or fake sign and trade that can help the team now. A deal of Hayward four Huerter would create a TPW of over 30 million


I think everyone is over selling Gordon Hayward's trade value ... between his age injury durability concerns and contract size ..there is no way a lottery team trading a lottery pick for someone who may just be there for a year



Naw, any of three teams would because they dont want to be lotto teams.

Atlanta with Hayward would be great, most likely a playoff team. Then they have the inside track to resign him.

Same with detroit.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1320 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:58 pm

Squigglepuffin wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
Squigglepuffin wrote:
I think "bust" can be used to refer to someone who fails to live up to the hype, someone who fails to perform at a level that justifies the position they were drafted in. More generally it obviously can also be used for anyone that drops out of the league and has to play overseas because no NBA team wants them.

Players that are busts for one or both of these reasons:

James Young, Gershon Yabuselle, JuJuan Johnson, Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo (R.I.P)...
Alex Len, Austin Rivers, Nerlens Noel, Dante Exum, Trey Burke, Shabazz Muhammad, Noah Vonleh, Jahlil Okafor, Doug McDermott, Mudiay, Stanley Johnson, Kaminsky, Cauley-Stein, Thon Maker, Trey Lyles, Jakob Poltl, Henry Ellenson, Josh Jackson, Dennis Smith Jr.

I know there are a lot of players that I haven't mentioned but it's either because an argument can be made they aren't busts, or I just can't be bothered.

Is E'Twuan Moore a bust? No. He's a solid player who in a redraft I would take at the very end of the first round, early second round, but then even if Jimmy Butler is still on the board, yes I would obviously be unhappy we took Moore instead, but Moore still wouldn't be a bust.

Generally I personally don't really use it to refer to guys selected in the second round. So technically, because he isn't in the league anymore Jordan Mickey is a bust, however I wouldn't refer to him as a bust since he was a second rounder.

If he doesn't "Shazam" it Cole Anthony in a redraft in five years could go in the 15-30 range, but only because this draft is probably the weakest draft of at least the past ten years. But even if this turns out to be true, the real question is would be justify a first round contract and the salary attached to the spot he was drafted in?

Spots 25-30 should be reserved for selecting players you aren't sure a going to be in the league in five years, players you aren't heartbroken over if another team selects them.

The one upside Anthony has is I believe his father said something to the effect of "Cole played really bad a UNC." So at least he''s got someone in his corner that has probably told him he sucked at UNC and needs to dramatically, dramatically improve to have a real impact in the NBA.



Okay so your definition is extremely liberal and can apply to players anywhere from out of the league to players in their 3rd or 4th year. So basically highly subjective. I don't think I'll be effective arguing Anthony won't be a bust in this discussion because there way too many subjective variables in your definition. I'll just say I like Anthony at 14 and leave it there.


14?

You have the numbers back to front.

If we had the 41st pick I'd probably be okay with selecting him at 41.

I'm being serious.


He won't be there at 41. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this. I don't have the numbers wrong. 14 is where I want him. You've made yourself clear. You don't like him. I get it. We disagree and that's okay. You totally have your right to your viewpoint obviously. I think it's far more likely we take him at 14 than him being available in the 2nd round so I'm okay with your dissenting opinion.
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