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Assemble Celtics 2020-21 Roster, Using Current Info

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Assemble 2020-21 Roster (up to 17 Players) = Assume Keeping "Team Shamrock"

Hayward = Keep on Team
24
16%
R.Williams = Keep on Team
28
19%
Poirier = Keep on Team
4
3%
Theis/Kanter = Re-sign, if financially feasible
26
17%
Langford, G.Williams, Edwards = Keep Rookies, from 2019-20
21
14%
Upgrade = Waters & Fall to NBA Roster spots
14
9%
Green/Wanamaker/Ojeleye = Renew any of,
3
2%
Draft = # of Rookies (Including Two-Way Contracts)
11
7%
Trade = if it Brings in an Impactful Player.
16
11%
Other = Please Explain
3
2%
 
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Post#1 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:23 am

My own preference is to have Theis Start as a PF.
Smart, Brown, Tatum & Theis can all play two positions, effectively.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Theis - R.Williams/(or Upgrade)
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/Kanter
(-------) - Edwards - (-------) - (-------) - Fall

2 x Two-Way Contracts = (-------), (-------)


Not on the Team
Hayward -- Do Not Re-Sign = If he opts out, then let him go. If he opts-in, then Trade him for lesser players.
Wanamaker -- Do Not Re-Sign
Ojeleye -- Do Not Re-Sign
Poirier -- Trade, iff poss. Otherwise, Waive.


May or may not be on the Team
Kanter = I'd Re-Sign.
Green = Depends, if there's a Roster spot.
Edwards = May Trade.


Draft Picks
Trade = if it Brings in an Impactful Player.
Otherwise = Maintain Flexibility.
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Post#2 » by captain green » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:52 am

Kemba, brown, Tatum, thies,sign a **** center.
Smart, Langford, g.will, draft pf, timelord
Edwarfs, waiters, draft pick, draft pick, taco
I'd prefer to not have so many rookies that can't even get 4 points a game but it is what is.
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Post#3 » by LondonCeltics » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:09 am

Goodbye Gordon... hello Andre.....
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Post#4 » by Homerclease » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:05 pm

Kanter, Semi, Wanamaker, Poirier, Green, all gone.

Bring up Waters and Fall.

Draft two guys in the first, stash a third or trade the pick.

Sign a taxpayer MLE guy. (Wood, Giles)

Theis / R. Williams / Tacko
Tatum / G. Williams
Hayward /
Brown / Langford
Kemba / Smart / Waters

Fill out the rest of the roster with a free agent a few picks
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Post#5 » by 3D Chess » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:09 pm

Parliament10 wrote:My own preference is to have Theis Start as a PF.

Looking at 5 man line ups for this season, I can't find a single one where Theis has played with another big. Theis is a C on this team. Playing him at PF negates the advantages we get from our versatile wings being able to defend 2/3/4 while being perimeter scoring threats on the other end.

EDIT: We have seen the way Al Horford has been unable to play effectively with Embiid this season, and Theis is a rough approximation of Al's game. Just don't see us using Theis as anything other than a C - starter or (in a perfect world) backup.
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Post#6 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:25 pm

Celtics have 6 keepers in Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward and Theis. Everyone else is available in the right deal.
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Post#7 » by Bleeding Green » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:25 pm

Walker
Waters
Smart
Brown
Tatum
GWill
RobWill
Langford
Theis
Poirier
Edwards

All look like guarantees. All under contract and 8-9 of these players can reasonably expected to be improving.

Try to keep Tacko on a two-way or he's gone. Use pick 46 on a two-way and sign another UDFA to the other two way spot (way too early to tell who is available for this).

Green is gone. Ojeleye is gone. Kanter is gone. Wanamaker is gone. Just no role for these guys or in Kanter's case he'll get more than what the Celtics can offer.

Hayward I still have no idea. He's either back in at 34 million or re-signed to like 3/100 (with an extra player option at the backend) or something I feel. I don't see him traded or allowed to walk away, Celtics will likely match any offer he gets in FA if he chooses to not pick up the option, at least I would unless someone offers a 4 year max.

Use all the draft picks unless you can consolidate and improve the top-end of the roster (crazy unlikely I feel). Otherwise, roll the dice, use those picks (don't trade them for crappy veterans who are likely worse than GWill, Langford, RobWill, etc). Don't trade one to improve on Edwards, who is like the fifth guard on the roster. Hope that Memphis picks conveys next year.

Outside of S+T, Celtics will have max ~6.1 million to toss around at a player using the taxpayer MLE. I like Nerlens Noel a lot. Moe Harkless is a great role player. Kanter, if he could be retained at this number I'd be happy with. Christian wood and Harry Giles look like they should get way more than this, but I would have said the same of Kanter and Noel last year so who knows.
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Post#8 » by 100proof » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:25 pm

Team has completely backed itself into a major corner with Hayward (unless they have word that he is opting in). I mean they risk losing him for nothing or going into the cap to resign him at a deal that is potentially cap suicide. Very much a Horford Situation.

I cannot see any of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Smart, Theis going anywhere (theis is signed for next season)

Kanter opts out and gets more money than team can offer.
Edwards is shopped and Waters replaces him next season.
Semi, Green, Wannamaker all HAVE to go, cannot keep them and the picks, too many roster spots, to few capspace.

Next season is the following either with our without Hayward is the question.

Kemba/Waters/Draft
Smart/Romeo/Draft
Brown/Draft/Vet Min
Tatum/Grant Williams/Tax Payer MLE
Theis/Timelord/Poirier

The second rounder and Tacko will be in maine next season as well.
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Post#9 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:06 pm

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Parliament10 wrote:My own preference is to have Theis Start as a PF.

Looking at 5 man line ups for this season, I can't find a single one where Theis has played with another big. Theis is a C on this team. Playing him at PF negates the advantages we get from our versatile wings being able to defend 2/3/4 while being perimeter scoring threats on the other end.

EDIT: We have seen the way Al Horford has been unable to play effectively with Embiid this season, and Theis is a rough approximation of Al's game. Just don't see us using Theis as anything other than a C - starter or (in a perfect world) backup.

Well the thing with Theis again, is his ability to play 2 positions.
So you sub out the Starting Center, slot in Smart, and move everyone over. Depending upon matchup.

Or vice versa. Start with Smart. Again, depending upon matchup.
Though with Tatum's current play, this may be a moot subject.

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Theis - R.Williams

Kemba - Smart - Brown - Tatum - Theis
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Post#10 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:28 pm

The current team is weak on depth. I would prefer not to jettison any player more useful than Wanamaker or Ojeleye.

The guys I wouldn't overly mind losing are Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Poirier, Green and Edwards. It doesn't make sense to exactly cut all those guys, promote FallNWaters, and use three draft picks; indeed, the later picks may be no better as prospects than Edwards or Green.
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Post#11 » by Higgs Boston » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:15 pm

This team is really flawed and needs to select a contender model, especially in structure and salary.

1. If we want to play with 4 perimeter players we need a starting C that can protect the rim and is an elite defender. then we would need to trade:
- Smart: kemba, brown, tatum, hayward, Center.
- Kemba: Smart as starter PG.
- Hayward: Smart as a starter SG.
2. If we want to play with 3 perimeter players and a versatile PF-C that can play as C or can help the C, then we need to trade
- Smart: Hayward would be the sixth man and real starter, this would be like the warriors.
- Hayward: same structure.
- Kemba: in this case I don't think is a good idea because we would need 3 scorers.

I think I would trade Smart, he is a sixth man that is a defensive player instead of a offensive player like almost all contenders, that happens because offensive perimeter players are more expensive and contenders try to get cheap defensive players like the rockets with tucker (mle). This isn't a problem if we were able to get good rookies or a cheap scorer from the bench but the cap space and situation make it really difficult. It's not realistic but more probable to expect that Smart becomes a consistent two way player, if that happens this wouldn't a problem to build a contender, but right now Smart with his contract, profile and level is more like a defensive starter SG than a sixth man for a contender.

Of course the ideal thing is that we can get a starter C or PF-C in the draft or in a minor trade but that likely will not happen.
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Post#12 » by cloverleaf » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:12 am

Keep the starting 5 (Theis is already theirs, cheap), Smart, Enes (after he opts in), Rob, Langford, Grant.
That's essentially your first and second string.

Bump up Tacko and Waters. Pick up Semi's option on the super-cheap again.

Say goodbye to Wanamaker.
Trade Vinnie for a 2nd if Rob is healthy.
Coin toss on whether to keep Javonte and/or Carsen or keep a 2nd 1st-round pick.

A 2nd rounder and a Euro on the two-ways.

(PS My hope is that Danny will consolidate picks to land just a lottery PG in the 1st round--with the hope that he grows into Kemba's replacement after two years.)
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Post#13 » by cloverleaf » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:27 am

Higgs Boston wrote:This team is really flawed and needs to select a contender model, especially in structure and salary.

1. If we want to play with 4 perimeter players we need a starting C that can protect the rim and is an elite defender. then we would need to trade:
- Smart: kemba, brown, tatum, hayward, Center.
- Kemba: Smart as starter PG.
- Hayward: Smart as a starter SG.
2. If we want to play with 3 perimeter players and a versatile PF-C that can play as C or can help the C, then we need to trade
- Smart: Hayward would be the sixth man and real starter, this would be like the warriors.
- Hayward: same structure.
- Kemba: in this case I don't think is a good idea because we would need 3 scorers.

I think I would trade Smart, he is a sixth man that is a defensive player instead of a offensive player like almost all contenders, that happens because offensive perimeter players are more expensive and contenders try to get cheap defensive players like the rockets with tucker (mle). This isn't a problem if we were able to get good rookies or a cheap scorer from the bench but the cap space and situation make it really difficult. It's not realistic but more probable to expect that Smart becomes a consistent two way player, if that happens this wouldn't a problem to build a contender, but right now Smart with his contract, profile and level is more like a defensive starter SG than a sixth man for a contender.

Of course the ideal thing is that we can get a starter C or PF-C in the draft or in a minor trade but that likely will not happen.


How about Rob as your future starter defensive center? Seems like he'll be elite at that if healthy.
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Post#14 » by cloverleaf » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:28 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:The current team is weak on depth. I would prefer not to jettison any player more useful than Wanamaker or Ojeleye.

The guys I wouldn't overly mind losing are Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Poirier, Green and Edwards. It doesn't make sense to exactly cut all those guys, promote FallNWaters, and use three draft picks; indeed, the later picks may be no better as prospects than Edwards or Green.


They've got Semi for one more year for pennies. He's the only one I'm really interested in keeping from that list, though if Rob isn't healthy they might hang on to Vinnie.
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Post#15 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:41 am

My preference, not necessarily my prediction:

Hayward / Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Theis
Smart / Langford / MLE vet* / G-Will / R-Will

*Best 3&D wing available

Hayward opts in then extends. Draft MEM 1st. Let Semi, Kanter, Green, and Wanamaker walk.
Sign Waters to a regular contract as third string PG. Sign 2nd rounder to two-way contract.

Package Edwards, Poirier, BOS 1st and/or MIL 1st and get best vet available on a cheap multi-year contract. If Poirier goes, let Tacko take the end-of-bench seat.

If we don't repeat as champions in 2021, I will be disappointed.
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Post#16 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:54 am

cloverleaf wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:The current team is weak on depth. I would prefer not to jettison any player more useful than Wanamaker or Ojeleye.

The guys I wouldn't overly mind losing are Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Poirier, Green and Edwards. It doesn't make sense to exactly cut all those guys, promote FallNWaters, and use three draft picks; indeed, the later picks may be no better as prospects than Edwards or Green.


They've got Semi for one more year for pennies. He's the only one I'm really interested in keeping from that list, though if Rob isn't healthy they might hang on to Vinnie.


I'm thinking of Semi as trade ballast. But he's yet another guy who shouldn't be cut just to make room for a late draft pick.

But the problems with trades start:
-- Who will we get with the Memphis pick who's better than just using the pick?
-- Who will we get with the other picks at all?
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Post#17 » by djFan71 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:15 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:My preference, not necessarily my prediction:

Hayward / Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Theis
Smart / Langford / MLE vet* / G-Will / R-Will

*Best 3&D wing available

Hayward opts in then extends. Draft MEM 1st. Let Semi, Kanter, Green, and Wanamaker walk.
Sign Waters to a regular contract as third string PG. Sign 2nd rounder to two-way contract.

Package Edwards, Poirier, BOS 1st and/or MIL 1st and get best vet available on a cheap multi-year contract. If Poirier goes, let Tacko take the end-of-bench seat.

If we don't repeat as champions in 2021, I will be disappointed.

Pretty much where I'm at. Depending on Gordon $, you may be only doing one of the trade / MLE vets to keep under the tax. Rest is rounded with cheap rookie contracts. Wouldn't be shocked if Kanter opts in, though.
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Post#18 » by grindtime22 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:34 am

Tatum, Brown, Walker, Smart, Theis, G Williams, R Williams, Langford start it off

Edwards is cheap and has more guaranteed years, he isn't going anywhere yet.

I'm resigning Hayward. 3/100 or whatever. I would be talking extension right now. Brown is on his deal, Kemba on his max deal, Tatum is about to get that Ben Simmons level max. I don't see cap space anytime soon and don't want to lose that salary.... but it's not my money. It would have been nice to duck the tax last year while thinning the roster like a lot of people wanted to (me). Ainge is my hero, but he whiffed on not moving Morris/Rozier.

I'm not as sure as some others that Semi is gone. I would cut Poirer and eat his money before I let Semi walk. He is a playoff capable defender that is now hitting 36% from 3. Somebody that I can throw out there for a few minutes is all I can ask for when we get to the last guys on the roster. Sure, Poirer is a big and we need bigs, but he is less than useful. He is pretty much the last resort after we see if the zamboni driver is available. Maybe we can get a 2nd for Semi from Portland or Houston or somebody that likes their guys to stand in the corner. Semi in Houston seems like a perfect fit. Morey will be signing him quickly if we cut him loose. Of course, Morey could be gone by then.

Kanter is probably gone, but maybe not. If he opts out, I'd maybe offer him a 2 year/ 11.72 million (5.72 then 6) non-bird deal to maintain a decent big and a decent tradeable salary. If he can get more than that, adios. I don't see some big deal out there for him, but I could be wrong. Having a salary more than a million or 2 that isn't part of the long term equation would be nice.

Waters should be up. He certainly belongs. Hopefully, nobody is out there to drive the price up in restricted free agency. Get him locked up for cheap on as many years as possible. Hopefully that 120% of the minimum is enough to get it done with him.

Tacko, 2 way or adios

If we get Waters locked up, Wannamaker is probably gone

Javonte is gone

I'm rolling over 1 or 2 picks if possible.
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Post#19 » by big-shot-ROB » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:13 am

Gordon is not going anywhere. And even if you don't like him, not resigning him would make us create little cap space any player we brought would be pennies on the dollar compared to Gordon.

Kemba | Brown | Hayward | Tatum | Theis
Smart | Vet min*1 | MLE*2 | GWill | RWill |
MEM pick | Langford | Ojeleye

GLeague: Tacko, Waters, Edwards (bc he is signed, I'd trade him right now)

*1: 3pt shooting SG.
*2: PF-C hybrid (Noel?).

Definetely package Poirer, Semi, BOS 1st & MIL 1st for whatever you can find (either future draft picks or vet guys).
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Post#20 » by Parliament10 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:29 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:My preference, not necessarily my prediction:

Hayward / Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Theis
Smart / Langford / MLE vet* / G-Will / R-Will

*Best 3&D wing available

Hayward opts in then extends. Draft MEM 1st. Let Semi, Kanter, Green, and Wanamaker walk.
Sign Waters to a regular contract as third string PG. Sign 2nd rounder to two-way contract.

Package Edwards, Poirier, BOS 1st and/or MIL 1st and get best vet available on a cheap multi-year contract. If Poirier goes, let Tacko take the end-of-bench seat.

If we don't repeat as champions in 2021, I will be disappointed.

Pretty much where I'm at. Depending on Gordon $, you may be only doing one of the trade / MLE vets to keep under the tax. Rest is rounded with cheap rookie contracts. Wouldn't be shocked if Kanter opts in, though.

That's one of my main reasons for wanting Hayward gone.
1. He costs too much. -- That money can go to other players.
2. And he's redundant.
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