Fencer reregistered wrote:It was asserted in the trade thread that Jaylen is most likely a top 40 player. I checked. I agree. In fact, I have him at #31, and see only 10 more guys who I think have even a strong argument over him.
My list is below; I hope there aren't any (or least aren't many) really embarrassing oversights/omissions. Guys named without comment I put ahead of him. Guys with question marks I don't put ahead of him, but recognize that other people easily might. (Indeed, a few guys I put behind Jaylen were 2020 all-stars. But on the other hand, I put Jaylen behind a few guys he outplayed in the postseason.)
Dallas – Doncic, Porzingis
Denver – Jokic, Murray
Golden State – Curry, Thompson, Green?
Houston – Harden, Westbrook
LAC – Leonard, George
LAL – James, Davis
Memphis – Morant?
Minnesota – Towns
New Orleans – Ingram, Williamson?, Holiday?
Oklahoma City – Paul
Phoenix – Booker?
Portland – Lillard
Sacramento – nobody
San Antonio – nobody
Utah – Mitchell, Gobert
18 yes, 4 close no
Atlanta – Young?
Boston – Tatum, Walker?, Hayward?
Brooklyn – Durant, Irving
Charlotte – nobody
Chicago – nobody
Cleveland – nobody
Detroit – nobody
Indiana – Sabonis?, Odiapo?, Brogdon?
Miami – Butler, Adebayo
Milwaukee – Antetokuonmpo, Middleton
NYK – nobody
Orlando – nobody
Philadelphia – Embiid, Simmons
Toronto – Siakam, Lowry
Washington – Beal
12 yes, 6 close no
I'll give you an updated list that is sure to trigger the Jaylen defense force. These are objectively better player, that you listed, no stats needed:
that's 34 guys no doubt better than Jaylen. No debate to be had.
However, your list was missing the following objectively better players:
Blake-25-7-5 (last healthy season)
Wall-21-4-9 (last healthy season)
JJJ-17-5-1 w/ 1.6 blocks
now we're up to 43 OBJECTIVELY better players, when you consider the player's impact and position. Homers might laughably attempt to claim Jaylen is better than maybe 2-4 of these players but they'd be wrong.
Now, let's talk SUBJECTIVELY. The following have a similar impact as Jaylen and an argument could be made for them over him though I wouldn't:
Capela-14-14-1 with 2 blocks a game
Drummond-15-15-3 with 1.5 blocks and steals a game
players I think are better but due to circumstances/injuries haven't completely proven it to the world just yet
add the 10-12 guys from the previous drafts with potential to be better and 10 or so guys from the 2020 draft class and it doesn't look good for Jaylen to get in that top 40 and definitely, should he crack it, not for a sustained amount of time because the 2021 class is LOADED.
Just enjoy the #3 that he is, the 3 and sometimes D and stop putting so much pressure on the poor kid by saying he's better than he is.