Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[CavemanDoctor]

People need to think about the overall community rather than just themselves. I hate wearing a mask, but you know what? I think people I don't know deserve better just in case I had it. It's that simple.

This exactly. One thing I despise about the "if you don't want it, don't go out" diatribe is that conveniently ignores the many, many people who don't have a choice. I don't want to get into a debate on how our more democratically socialist Scandinavian and Western European allies do things but, suffice it to say, the US has not really paid its citizens to stay home, unlike many of those aforementioned nations which have paid substantially more and for longer periods of time. The net result is many people who do not want to venture out are forced to in order to make a paycheck.

I also don't want to get into discussions of race on here but it should be noted that minorities are disproportionately impacted not just by what I just mentioned (minorities are disproportionately of lower SES, and therefore have to work outward-facing jobs as a result) but also it is documented in study after study that black and brown and indigenous folks get less quality medical care, and tend to have more underlying health conditions.

Medically speaking, this pandemic affects everyone, but disproportionately impacts the elderly and those with underlying health conditions (by the way, newsflash: the US is an extremely unhealthy society overall so please don't think "underlying health conditions" is some unicorn rarely found). Socially speaking, the pandemic affects everyone as well, but disproportionately people of color and lower socioeconomic status, making an already awful situation for those communities even worse.

I am a child of immigrants. I was born in Massachusetts. I love this country. I am an American. But damn I really loathe the John Wayne American selfish arrogance and exceptionalism that, though I knew was always present in a large subset of the population, has been further unmasked by this pandemic.

I wish we were better as a people, and cared more for others. We'd all benefit.

[GreenFor3]

Usually nobody wears a mask or social distances so that's your baseline for flu. Now that a significant chunk of the US population is wearing masks and social distancing (and getting their flu shot) flu is down versus normally. I'm sure there are still some flu deaths attributed to covid, but testing has gotten to the point where I'd imagine anyone dying from it would've been tested. It's not like early on where we couldn't afford to waste the tests.

Buddy the flu is so down because everything gets tossed into the covid category. You cannot be that naive. Which means that millions and millions of flu cases are covid now, plus actual covid, plus tuberculosis, which by the way killed 1.5 million people worldwide in 2018.

Let’s not go into the fact that hospitals get compensated on covid cases. Even more for deaths. The same hospitals that are struggling mightily this year because the number of general surgeries and routine checkups is way, way down because many people don’t want to go within 10,000 yards of a medical facility these days.

I’m not trying to convince anyone one way or another. It’s just so clear for anyone to see once you start connecting the dots that are all right in front of our faces.

I'm pretty solid on the fact that what you said is not true regarding the flu. Provide data if I am incorrect. And on a lighter note, referring to someone as "buddy" is very condescending.

He knew it was condescending, he called me naive right after

Not to mention completely ignoring my other comment on doubting that they are many misattributed deaths anymore since testing is readily available at this point.

[Captain_Caveman]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

This. Canada isn't that far off from the US in terms of how people have been treating it. My province of Manitoba has one of the highest case per capita rates in North America. We are currently in code red lockdown, where all restaurants and gyms are closed, no social contact with anyone outside of your household, and stores are only allowed to sell essential items. Despite all of that, we've got organizations such as "Hugs over Masks" (I wish I was kidding) doing protests, and churches planning secret masses for their congregations to attend.

The past few weeks, we've been getting at least 300 new cases everyday with a 14% positive test rate. Last week we had a day where 584 new cases showed up. The population here is only about 1.4 million. There's one town here that has 40% of its population infected. Not surprisingly, it's the town that held the Hugs over Masks rally. JFC. It's been such a **** show.

[canman1971]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

Crazy thing is one of my fellow teachers took a 2 year sabbatical to teach in South Korea before all this happened and he still went. When I was talking to him about it he said, it'll be safer there than here. And he was right. And he brought his whole family (wife and 2 younger kids).

[Bad-Thoma]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

You make perfect sense but what you suggest requires acknowledging that there are other countries in the world, being willing to learn from their approaches both in success and failure, and having a basic understanding of statistics and I think that might be a tall order for the average American anti-masker following their "gut" that this is all bull and then sourcing conspiracy theories to back it up. I've pretty much accepted that all we can do is mask up and hope for the best, even if the next round of leadership has it in their ability to curtail this pandemic the damage is going to be done by the time they are in a position to do so. I'm just thankful that somehow following my dick when I was younger landed me in Vermont, either dumb luck or my dick can see the future. Given the choices it used to lead me to I'm rolling with dumb luck.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

You make perfect sense but what you suggest requires acknowledging that there are other countries in the world, being willing to learn from their approaches both in success and failure, and having a basic understanding of statistics and I think that might be a tall order for the average American anti-masker following their "gut" that this is all bull and then sourcing conspiracy theories to back it up. I've pretty much accepted that all we can do is mask up and hope for the best, even if the next round of leadership has it in their ability to curtail this pandemic the damage is going to be done by the time they are in a position to do so. I'm just thankful that somehow following my dick when I was younger landed me in Vermont, either dumb luck or my dick can see the future. Given the choices it used to lead me to I'm rolling with dumb luck.

I followed my dick once, and it led me to Calgary, AB, one of the most racist places in Canada. Lol. Thankfully my dick led me back home. Sure, covid is bad here.....but at least there's less racism, and the real estate prices are affordable. Haha!

[jirrit]

Keep wearing a mask though, all you dick followers.

All jokes aside: keep that mask on, keep your distance, be fair and loving to everyone and stay safe!

[ddb]

did I hear correctly that the NBA has a covid protocol in place to where if a player has a positive test they have to quarantine for TWELVE DAYS! That's like 4-6 games! This season is going to suck so bad. Just imagine a big stretch and two of your best players test positive. This season is going to be beyond frustrating. 12 freaking days! The NFL/MLB wasn't that long.

[3D Chess]

did I hear correctly that the NBA has a covid protocol in place to where if a player has a positive test they have to quarantine for TWELVE DAYS! That's like 4-6 games! This season is going to suck so bad. Just imagine a big stretch and two of your best players test positive. This season is going to be beyond frustrating. 12 freaking days! The NFL/MLB wasn't that long.

So you're saying you want players who have the virus out there playing games against 4-6 other teams, basically guaranteeing that they spread the virus to the entire league?

[SichtingLives]

did I hear correctly that the NBA has a covid protocol in place to where if a player has a positive test they have to quarantine for TWELVE DAYS! That's like 4-6 games! This season is going to suck so bad. Just imagine a big stretch and two of your best players test positive. This season is going to be beyond frustrating. 12 freaking days! The NFL/MLB wasn't that long.

So you're saying you want players who have the virus out there playing games against 4-6 other teams, basically guaranteeing that they spread the virus to the entire league?

The only reason the positivity rate is so high is because they won't stop testing smh!! Obviously if they test more it's going to look worse. If Hunter Biden, Hillary, Chavez, Castro and the Chinese weren't conspiring against Trump, we'd be far beyond stages of herd immunity by now and back to the greatest economy of all-time. Just look at Sweden! If they don't feel safe they should just stay home. Think about the suicides and depression. Think about the under-privileged communities. The cure isn't greater than the collateral damage. There's a 99.998% recovery rate and they are labeling car accident deaths as covid death. My grandfather died of covid and you know what the death certificate mysteriously omitted? He was a MINK! And what happened to the flu?? Besides, everyone is going to get it. The Greater Barrington declaration has billions of the worlds greatest scientists who have already declared this a hoax and my whole family signed it as well. And what are they supposed to do? Masks don't work and are a scam of the fabric industry. Two words: Bill Gates. Just lock all the elderly into submarines and submerge them under the ocean until it magically disappears. My god sheeples once the real election is decided this is all going to magically disappear.

[K For Three]

Masks, social distancing. Don't work. I live in Florida and have yet to put a mask on. We are all fine down here.

[K For Three]

Obama, Bush and Clinton are willing to get the vaccine publicly to instill confidence.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/obama-vaccine/index.html

[exculpatory]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

THIS.

Well stated & totally on point.

Next few months will be the worst of the worst.

ICU beds & medical staff becoming scarce in more & more places nationwide.

WAKE THE **** UP!

[exculpatory]

https://www.vumedi.com/video/moderna-pfizer-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-what-do-we-know-so-far-about-side-effects-how-long-would-the-va/?token=53e4c36d-ce79-4c48-90be-f09223c561ee&utm_source=Pharma%20Low%20Priority_70482&utm_medium=Video&utm_campaign=Moderna%20%26%20Pfizer%20COVID-19%20mRNA%20Vaccine%3A%20What%20Do%20We%20Know%20So%20Far%20About%20Side%20Effects%3F%20How%20Long%20Would%20the%20Vaccine%20Immunity%20Last%3F%20Is%20It%20Better%20Than%20the%20Natural%20Immunity%3F&utm_content=Moderna%20%26%20Pfizer%20COVID-19%20mRNA%20Vaccine%3A%20What%20Do%20We%20Know%20So%20Far%20About%20Side%20Effects%3F%20How%20Long%20Would%20the%20Vaccine%20Immunity%20Last%3F%20Is%20It%20Better%20Than%20the%20Natural%20Immunity%3F&utm_term=COVID%20Vaccines&link_data=eyJidWxrX21haWxfYWN0aW9uIjoiYyIsInJlY2lwaWVudF9pZCI6OTc5NDU2ODU5LCJtYWlsX2lkIjo3MDQ4Mn0%3A1kkrf5%3A1qiWmnWbn-6ufnoI-_h-Boa4Tlo&mail_id=70482

Churchill - “maybe the end of the beginning”

[canman1971]

It's pretty easy to contrast the quality of our response with that of places like Japan and South Korea. You can literally do it by the body count per capita. While there may be some sort of predilection towards immunity for those places due to previous exposure to similar coronaviruses, the behavioral aspect is the bigger thing. They do what they are supposed to do, and they limit the deaths, long-term impacts, and damages to their economy in the process of doing it.

The last time one of these pandemics came through Boston, it was killing upwards of 1,000 people a day at its peak. All four of my grandparents were born into families that had recently been decimated by the 1918 virus. This was largely in the fall wave, and not the smaller earlier waves.

This isn't about freedoms, or even anything political. Wear the **** mask, and limit your exposure to being in crowded indoor spaces and other people in general, lest you help kill people who are close to you. It's not hard. We are more than halfway through this, but the hardest times lie ahead in the short-term. It would be incredibly sad to come this far and then die anyway, and I would hate for that to happen to any of you or your loved ones over stuff that is just so basic and obvious.

THIS.

Well stated & totally on point.

Next few months will be the worst of the worst.

ICU beds & medical staff becoming scarce in more & more places nationwide.

WAKE THE **** UP!

Yet, my school district, who has been remote the whole year, are looking to getting more people/students in the building. It's mindblowing and my wife is a nurse at a long term care facility that just had to have the Air National Guard come in to test everyone...again. #30 for her, although not all by the military, but she say they are the worst.

[jirrit]

The mind just boggles at the conspiracy-theory peddling from otherwise intelligent people, and I don't just mean here on the forum. And I am not trying to minimize but, to be clear, softly-spoken conspiracy-theory peddling is still that, just thinly veiled.

wow I wish I didnt check these earlier pages lol

This conspiracy theories are the worst in the US (offcourse, sorry guys), and where is the virus booming the most? Guess what.
I agree about lockdowns being not good and not the smartest thing to do, even to counter the virus, but wearing a mask as being a problem? Wow, we live together guys, we're here together on the planet. It's the same as just dumping your rubbish cause yea whatever. What the hell is a problem with wearing a mask?!? wow, the 'principle' that you have the right to decide what you can do and your rights and etc etc. get outta here lol, we're priviliged to be where we are in this world and have all these resources, if you can now try and be a bit social and wear a mask, i have no idea why you wouldnt and be 'the smart guy' while all politics all over the world are trying to tackle the problem.

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Ugh, It feels weird and 1'ing this. Absolutely heartbreaking. Losing one person is bad enough!