Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Trump made the mask thing a politicial statement, and his army of true believers would rather get covid, or expose their fiends and loved ones to covid, then go against the wishes of der fuhrer.

sorry but this statement is ridiculous. has nothing to do with Trump. and let's not get into a political argument.

We're already in a political argument, fueled by your uninformed post above. Tell us where you got your medical degree in virology and immunology so that someone might actually agree with anything you say except for fellow cult members.

Yeah everything he is saying is an absolute crock of ****.

[celtics543]

masks are a false sense of security. period. so is social distancing. lockdowns will temporarily work, as people are staying indoors for the most part, but as soon as they go back out the problem is waiting there for them. therefor, lockdowns don't work either as the trickle down issues lockdowns cause far exceed that of remaining open (depression, drugs, closing small businesses, etc)

and let's also point out that here in Florida I've met dozens of people that have recently moved down permanently from NY, MA, Cali, IL, etc because it's gotten so far outta hand up there. It's a mass exodus as people are catching on more and more by the day and moving to Texas, Florida, Arizona, TN, etc....that at the end of the day there's very little difference if any at all from a cases/deaths/hospitalizations per capita between states shut down and states open.
to tie it all together, there is a very, very large population of people that would rather live free and be open, and take their chances then those that are robots to what our government is ordering.

I'm sorry but Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates and the BIG Pharma organizations they represent do not represent me. Never will. We live in a free country. What is really happening is the democrats and working closing with big tech, big Pharma, and lord knows who else to destroy small businesses which in turn makes millions and millions of people dependent on the government. That's what they want. They want to control health care and schools. They want to heavily tax firearms and ammunition. They already control the media. and the media is our biggest enemy right now as it's misleading the American people. They want tracking and forced vaccinations. They want a monopoly of only a very few providers of all life's essentials. the list goes on and on. It's all about control and this is exactly what happens in countries like Russia, China, Venezuala, North Korea, etc.
You can say I'm nuts all you want. I'm not alone. Not even close. Talk to people that have escaped communism and socialism countries. Who have lived through it. They will tell you. I don't have to tell you. They will tell you how familiar all of this is. I did business with a well educated and highly respected man from Venezuela that told me right at the onset of all this how worried he is about America.

and from a basketball perspective since at the end of the day this is a basketball forum....athletes, celebrities, and the rich are always at the front of the line because they like being rich...they all just follow suit because if they don't their careers are in jeopardy. Plus, the rich aren't impacted by any of this even remotely close to middle class. The poor don't mind because it's all handouts for them. Who is impacted by covid? by lockdowns. the working man & woman. their families. the majority of the country.
this is NOT just about a virus. viruses have been around since the beginning of time. Some worse than others. in this case you don't shut down the country multiple times over a virus you need to get tested to know you have. I understood the first shut down. but now it's just out of hand and unnecessary.

We are at war. There are forces of evil in this world that are successfully creating chaos in our country. turning people against each other, most of which don't even know who's good and who's bad, or what they are fighting about. Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, republicans, democrats. a virus. this isn't all coincidental. It's deliberate. and if you can't see through the first layer of what you hear on TV then I feel sorry for you.

With all due respect, why would the rest of the world be going along with this? I understand what you're saying and I've heard it in other places too and I guess I can follow that line of thinking if this was an American only experience but can you explain why every other country is doing similar things? Is it a worldwide conspiracy? I can see you are blaming democrats, and fair enough I'm not a fan of either party, but are you saying that they run the entire world?

This whole thing just seems to fall apart when you consider that the entire world is doing lockdowns and using protective measures. I'm not saying there aren't bad people out there trying to use this pandemic to help themselves but a conspiracy on the level you're talking about would literally require tens of thousands of willing co-conspirators who also agree to keep the whole thing a secret.

actually, I do wholeheartedly believe it's a global thing. It's really not that difficult to comprehend why that could be the case when you look at it from a world power perspective and what the UN, WHO agenda could look like. It's warfare unlike any we have seen to date. But to answer your question on why the rest of the world would go along with it. I believe there 100% is a global agenda here. I don't pretend to know all the answers because I don't, but we do live in a small world and to think that Trump being at the center of a global issue silly and political really isn't all that silly and political. To quote Joseph Stalin, "America is like a healthy body and it's resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, American will collapse from within." and now to quote the great Abraham Lincoln, " American will never be destroyed from outside. If we falter we falter and lose our freedoms it will be because we destroyed ourselves." now you're probably thinking, okay but why would there be American citizens and politicians that would undermine their own country??? Great question. It's because of power. It's because of deals in place with foreign entities. It's because if America is no longer the world power or the America we have all grown up in, it doesn't effect these rich and powerful people behind it. They get richer and more powerful from it.
People need to wake up. Yes, there's a virus, but it's not this death sentence that's killing millions. Very easy to manipulate cases, deaths, etc and I won't even get into that right now. It's biological warfare, paired with very obvious tactics to create internal chaos and to turn people against one another. It's not just here in America. It's in Europe and other places as well. But the center of it all is here in America.
I strongly encourage all of you to remove pride, egos, and politics from the equation and do some good hard research about the layers of topics we are all posting about.

Fair enough but I'm going to press one last point. For this to be true there would have to be tens of thousands of people who are in on it. You mean to tell me not one person who knows what's going on has come out and said anything? Not one high ranking democrat official that loves America has come out and said anything to expose this? I have a brother in law that believes these same theories you're talking about and the Youtube videos he sends can be convincing until you really pull back and think about the scale to which this conspiracy would have to be. Literally our entire political system would have to be in on it. Democrats willing participants and republicans who aren't talking about it are at best letting it happen and at worse helping it along.

I tend to agree that the virus may not be horrible enough to require the lock downs and things that have resulted based on mortality rate and the prevalence of other viruses that have similar mortality rates that we don't do much about. I have a hard time believing that it's all to cover up some democratic global takeover. I respect your view though and if you prove to be correct I will apologize for my skepticism.

[Curmudgeon]

sorry but this statement is ridiculous. has nothing to do with Trump. and let's not get into a political argument.

We're already in a political argument, fueled by your uninformed post above. Tell us where you got your medical degree in virology and immunology so that someone might actually agree with anything you say except for fellow cult members.

Yeah everything he is saying is an absolute crock of ****.

It's worse than that. These are the kinds of totally irresponsible statements that, if believed, could cause people needlessly to die from Covid-19. The current administration's ambivalent messaging has been a contributing factor in killing more Americans than in all of World War 2.

Yeah, the majority of the deaths are old people, but as one of the low hanging fruits myself, I'd like to stay on the tree for a few years longer.

If these idiots want to go after child molestation rings operating in the basements of pizzerias that don't have basements, that's fine with me. People have an absolute right to make complete fools of themselves. But when it comes to mask wearing and social distancing to prevent infection, that directly impacts my life.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm sorry but Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates and the BIG Pharma organizations they represent do not represent me. Never will. We live in a free country. What is really happening is the democrats and working closing with big tech, big Pharma, and lord knows who else to destroy small businesses which in turn makes millions and millions of people dependent on the government. That's what they want. They want to control health care and schools. They want to heavily tax firearms and ammunition. They already control the media. and the media is our biggest enemy right now as it's misleading the American people. They want tracking and forced vaccinations. They want a monopoly of only a very few providers of all life's essentials. the list goes on and on. It's all about control and this is exactly what happens in countries like Russia, China, Venezuala, North Korea, etc.

Quoted for truth. It's amazing how many people believe anything and everything their tv tells them.

Not directed at you in particular, because I generally agree, but people ranting about the media is often a huge tell that they are not very educated.

Not just because they deem the media to somehow be the only source of information, but also that they think the only news out there for consumption involves talking heads telling people how to think about the events being reported.

[exculpatory]

That's framing it exactly wrong. However flimsy and unenforced they have been, lockdowns and mask mandates have already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, and will continue to save several hundreds thousands more by the end of this. They will also prevent hundreds of thousands of people from having long-term or permanently debilitating impacts.

It should never have been viewed as a choice between lockdowns and saving the economy. Not only would the economic impacts be far, far greater without them, the real conversation is why the richest country on Earth did not provide sufficient stimulus to their citizens and small businesses to help us ride this out.

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

Well, this isn't the place to get political. Unlike the highly ideological and political statement that lockdowns infringe upon one's freedoms, I don't believe that I was getting political when pointing that these lockdowns during the height of a deadly global pandemic will save lives, and ultimately, benefit the national economy. Those are just statements of facts, tbh. We have case studies all over the world of places that handled this correctly (Japan, Germany, South Korea) vs ones that definitely did not (Sweden, the US).

I don't even think the notion of stimulus is really that political, especially given that George W Bush once gave out stimulus checks for literally no reason at all, to everyone, without means-testing.

I would just note here that we are fans of a team that plays in a city that was logging over a thousand dead people per day during the height of the 1918 pandemic. All four of my grandparents were born into families that were decimated by that virus. Both of my grandfathers were later subject to a mandatory draft, in which they were compelled to experience heavy combat in overseas wars with exactly no say in the matter. Did this infringe upon their individual freedoms, do you think?

Because if we are going to have a conversation about what is American or not, throughout our history, it is has been completely common to sacrifice individual freedoms during periods of national crisis in the name of the national interest. From food and supply rationing and military drafts during wartime to lockdowns and mask mandates during pandemics, it has always been part of being an American to act in the name of the greater good when called upon. Not a political take, just another statement of fact.

If acting in the name of individual freedoms is going to cost an additional 500k-1m lives, leave an additional hundreds of thousands debilitated, and do significant additional and needless damages to our economy, it is in no way somehow more "American".

In sum, no one has the "freedom" to kill other people's loved ones during a time of crisis, and that has nothing at all to do with being an American. That "right" was never granted to any of us at any point.

This.

My medical credentials are well known by most on this board.

Regardless of treatment improvements & regardless of the fact that the majority of infected patients are at low risk of serious illness, there are literally many tens of millions of people who, due to age and/or co-morbid disease, remain at VERY substantial risk of very serious disease/death if they contract the disease. It is **** impossible to allow healthy 20 to 50 year olds to roam free with their dicks & boobs hanging out - without infecting a huge number of their fellow Americans at much greater risk. Those who choose to ignore masking & distancing because their ‘freedom as Americans” has been impinged are selfish and/or ignorant mother **** - and the primary reason why the virus continues to spread & kill to this day. That said, it is abhorrent & shameful that both parties have not come together to pass sufficient legislation to support small business owners during obligatory lockdowns.

And all of the above said, for the record, the gross bias of the MSM & the delusions & hypocrisy of many on the left continue to appall me. :0).

[theman]

We're already in a political argument, fueled by your uninformed post above. Tell us where you got your medical degree in virology and immunology so that someone might actually agree with anything you say except for fellow cult members.

Yeah everything he is saying is an absolute crock of ****.

It's worse than that. These are the kinds of totally irresponsible statements that, if believed, could cause people needlessly to die from Covid-19. The current administration's ambivalent messaging has been a contributing factor in killing more Americans than in all of World War 2.

How many Americans died in WW2? How many have died of Covid-19? Also, if the current administration was not ambivalent how many Americans would have died?

[theman]

https://fox8.com/news/us-college-student-gets-4-month-prison-sentence-in-cayman-islands-over-covid-19-violation/

So, the Cayman Islands lock people up because of Covid, while the U.S. let's people out of prison because of Covid.

[theman]

This.

My medical credentials are well known by most on this board.

Regardless of treatment improvements & regardless of the fact that the majority of infected patients are at low risk of serious illness, there are literally many tens of millions of people who, due to age and/or co-morbid disease, remain at VERY substantial risk of very serious disease/death if they contract the disease. It is **** impossible to allow healthy 20 to 50 year olds roam free with their dicks & boobs hanging out - without infecting a huge number of their fellow Americans at much greater risk. Those who choose to ignore masking & distancing because their ‘freedom as Americans” have been impinged are selfish and/or ignorant mother **** - and the primary reason why the virus continues to spread & kill to this day. That said, it is abhorrent & shameful that both parties have not come together to pass sufficient legislation to support small business owners during obligatory lockdowns.

And all of the above said, for the record, the gross bias of the MSM & the delusions & hypocrisy of many on the left continue to appall me. :0).

https://www.yesmagazine.org/opinion/2020/07/16/wear-face-masks-empathy/

[theman]

Not directed at you in particular, because I generally agree, but people ranting about the media is often a huge tell that they are not very uneducated.

So, you are saying people who rant about the media are well educated.

[Captain_Caveman]

Not directed at you in particular, because I generally agree, but people ranting about the media is often a huge tell that they are not very uneducated.

So, you are saying people who rant about the media are well educated.

Haha, my bad. Point still stands lol.

[Curmudgeon]

Yeah everything he is saying is an absolute crock of ****.

It's worse than that. These are the kinds of totally irresponsible statements that, if believed, could cause people needlessly to die from Covid-19. The current administration's ambivalent messaging has been a contributing factor in killing more Americans than in all of World War 2.

How many Americans died in WW2? How many have died of Covid-19? Also, if the current administration was not ambivalent how many Americans would have died?

The official American death toll in WW2 was 291,557 with an additional 204,002 suffering non mortal wounds. AP is reporting 312,524 covid deaths in the U.S.-- and counting.

Who knows how many would have died if the current administration had done the right thing? Virtually ever epidemiologist thinks that there would have been many fewer deaths, but the estimates vary. Look at deaths per capita in places like South Korea or Canada. Canada is country where people live lifestyles similar to those in the United States and where there have been significantly fewer deaths per capita.

And the U.S. death count may be higher due to significant underreporting of covid-19 deaths in states like Florida.

[ddb]

It's worse than that. These are the kinds of totally irresponsible statements that, if believed, could cause people needlessly to die from Covid-19. The current administration's ambivalent messaging has been a contributing factor in killing more Americans than in all of World War 2.

How many Americans died in WW2? How many have died of Covid-19? Also, if the current administration was not ambivalent how many Americans would have died?

The official American death toll in WW2 was 291,557 with an additional 204,002 suffering non mortal wounds. AP is reporting 312,524 covid deaths in the U.S.-- and counting.

Who knows how many would have died if the current administration had done the right thing? Virtually ever epidemiologist thinks that there would have been many fewer deaths, but the estimates vary. Look at deaths per capita in places like South Korea or Canada. Canada is country where people live lifestyles similar to those in the United States and where there have been significantly fewer deaths per capita.

And the U.S. death count may be higher due to significant underreporting of covid-19 deaths in states like Florida.

Thank Jesus I moved away from the northeast and now live in Florida. You can all live in your locked down fairy land. Be my guest. Enjoy.

[Captain_Caveman]

How many Americans died in WW2? How many have died of Covid-19? Also, if the current administration was not ambivalent how many Americans would have died?

The official American death toll in WW2 was 291,557 with an additional 204,002 suffering non mortal wounds. AP is reporting 312,524 covid deaths in the U.S.-- and counting.

Who knows how many would have died if the current administration had done the right thing? Virtually ever epidemiologist thinks that there would have been many fewer deaths, but the estimates vary. Look at deaths per capita in places like South Korea or Canada. Canada is country where people live lifestyles similar to those in the United States and where there have been significantly fewer deaths per capita.

And the U.S. death count may be higher due to significant underreporting of covid-19 deaths in states like Florida.

Thank Jesus I moved away from the northeast and now live in Florida. You can all live in your locked down fairy land. Be my guest. Enjoy.

Probably not the best financial decision. Your state doesn't have the economy to handle the widespread flooding and storm damage that is going to be a regular part of life down there from now until forever.

Enjoy rooting for the Magic or Heat.

[greenroom31]

Reading the last few posts and... wow.

If this Board was the human body and each thread represented a different body part, this one would be the rectum for sure.

[ConstableGeneva]

Read on Twitter

Canada is a Communist country. Just look at that flag. So red.

Wish my country was rich (and humane) enough to provide for its citizens during an economic & health crisis of this proportion.

[jmr07019]

I'm sorry but Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates and the BIG Pharma organizations they represent do not represent me. Never will. We live in a free country. What is really happening is the democrats and working closing with big tech, big Pharma, and lord knows who else to destroy small businesses which in turn makes millions and millions of people dependent on the government. That's what they want. They want to control health care and schools. They want to heavily tax firearms and ammunition. They already control the media. and the media is our biggest enemy right now as it's misleading the American people. They want tracking and forced vaccinations. They want a monopoly of only a very few providers of all life's essentials. the list goes on and on. It's all about control and this is exactly what happens in countries like Russia, China, Venezuala, North Korea, etc.

Quoted for truth. It's amazing how many people believe anything and everything their tv tells them.

Not directed at you in particular, because I generally agree, but people ranting about the media is often a huge tell that they are not very educated.

Not just because they deem the media to somehow be the only source of information, but also that they think the only news out there for consumption involves talking heads telling people how to think about the events being reported.

I agree there are some great sources of news that exist outside of cable tv and the big name websites but I would guess most people don’t even know they exist. Kyle Kullinski is one of the bigger names for alternative progressive news and he has just under a million followers on YouTube. Ben Shapiro is better than anything on Fox and I think more progressives know about him than conservatives. He has 2.5 million followers. That’s such a tiny percentage of the population.

I worry about the long term effects of cable tv telling people to be afraid of and hate the people who don’t vote the same way as you. Hopefully I’m just overstating things but it’s concerning

[Captain_Caveman]

Reading the last few posts and... wow.

If this Board was the human body and each thread represented a different body part, this one would be the rectum for sure.

Been pretty civil for the most part. A testament to how nice a guy ddb is on other matters that he can slam New England on a Boston Celtics message board and not get much blowback at all beyond my tepid snark, lol.

[fallguy]

Read on Twitter

Canada is a Communist country. Just look at that flag. So red.

Wish my country was rich (and humane) enough to provide for its citizens during an economic & health crisis of this proportion.

I'm in Canada. Free as a **** bird over here.

[Bad-Thoma]

How many Americans died in WW2? How many have died of Covid-19? Also, if the current administration was not ambivalent how many Americans would have died?

The official American death toll in WW2 was 291,557 with an additional 204,002 suffering non mortal wounds. AP is reporting 312,524 covid deaths in the U.S.-- and counting.

Who knows how many would have died if the current administration had done the right thing? Virtually ever epidemiologist thinks that there would have been many fewer deaths, but the estimates vary. Look at deaths per capita in places like South Korea or Canada. Canada is country where people live lifestyles similar to those in the United States and where there have been significantly fewer deaths per capita.

And the U.S. death count may be higher due to significant underreporting of covid-19 deaths in states like Florida.

Thank Jesus I moved away from the northeast and now live in Florida. You can all live in your locked down fairy land. Be my guest. Enjoy.

Lol, locked down. Wearing a mask and limited capacity indoor dining isn't exactly a prison sentence. My family and I chose to skip the holidays to protect my parents and grandparents but no one made us, it was just advised and we took that advice for the wisdom it is. No one is at the state border with guns and handcuffs enforcing quarantine laws, it's something that people do because it's right. I did see my parents once during the summer when their county was in the green, I could have gone anytime I wanted to but I didn't because I didn't feel like it was right. Once again, my choice. The shutdowns, when they happen again (if they happen again) will happen because people didn't do the right thing when it was their choice but I'm almost starting to feel optimistic that here, in our "locked down fairy land" it's not going to have to happen. Even the mask thing isn't enforced, most people do it because it's right. I know people that won't for dumb reasons and no arrested them, held them down and stuffed a mask on their face. I even still like one of them.

So thanks, I am enjoying.

[ConstableGeneva]

Read on Twitter

Canada is a Communist country. Just look at that flag. So red.

Wish my country was rich (and humane) enough to provide for its citizens during an economic & health crisis of this proportion.

I'm in Canada. Free as a **** bird over here.

Thought the tweet and my comment were too silly to feel the need to point out it was sarcasm haha.