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reload141 wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-25/mcg-biggest-crowd-covid-pandemic-anzac-day-afl/100094508

I'm posting this because I want all the board members (nearly all) to move to Australia so you can be a part of this and we can all catch up and drink and get angry about how bad the Celtics are this year.

Sidenote: I go for the Bombers, so I was very happy.

reload141 wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-25/mcg-biggest-crowd-covid-pandemic-anzac-day-afl/100094508

I'm posting this because I want all the board members (nearly all) to move to Australia so you can be a part of this and we can all catch up and drink and get angry about how bad the Celtics are this year.

Sidenote: I go for the Bombers, so I was very happy.

reload141 wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-25/mcg-biggest-crowd-covid-pandemic-anzac-day-afl/100094508

I'm posting this because I want all the board members (nearly all) to move to Australia so you can be a part of this and we can all catch up and drink and get angry about how bad the Celtics are this year.

Sidenote: I go for the Bombers, so I was very happy.

Captain_Caveman wrote:

reload141 wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-25/mcg-biggest-crowd-covid-pandemic-anzac-day-afl/100094508

I'm posting this because I want all the board members (nearly all) to move to Australia so you can be a part of this and we can all catch up and drink and get angry about how bad the Celtics are this year.

Sidenote: I go for the Bombers, so I was very happy.

I'd honestly pull the trigger, but (a) kids, (b) employment, (c) in-laws, (d) logistics. I also really do love North America. Feels like something I would pull the trigger on and deeply regret in a year or two, haha.

Also... where in Australia? As a beach guy, I am inclined to do Byron or something in that area. I'm over big cities at this point.

threrf23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

22 fully vaccinated people, incl 18 residents acc to one article, at a nursing home contracted Covid. One died.

8 unvaccinated residents contracted Covid, four were hospitalized and two died.

This is being treated as cautionary, but I think it's encouraging that only resident died amongst the vaccinated group.

This article is slightly more informative than the NY Times article linked:

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/coronavirus/imperative-that-nursing-home-residents-workers-be-vaccinated-after-outbreak-study-cdc-says

Green89 wrote:

threrf23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

22 fully vaccinated people, incl 18 residents acc to one article, at a nursing home contracted Covid. One died.

8 unvaccinated residents contracted Covid, four were hospitalized and two died.

This is being treated as cautionary, but I think it's encouraging that only resident died amongst the vaccinated group.

This article is slightly more informative than the NY Times article linked:

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/coronavirus/imperative-that-nursing-home-residents-workers-be-vaccinated-after-outbreak-study-cdc-says

1. How on earth do they know the unvaccinated worker passed it along?
Does the virus tested in the new people leave behind the DNA of who passed it to them?
The article says the unvaccinated worker was tested earliest, but how can they know that others didn't have it before that and pass it to that person?

1. High likelihood.

2. Also, there's no factual evidence that vaccinated people can't transmit it.

2. Untrue. A large amount of excellent peer reviewed evidence is accruing suggesting that vaccinated people are much less likely to transmit. It would be wise to not spout off about something you know nothing about.

3. Also, why did Fournier get the vaccine when he just recovered from Covid?
I would think your body fighting off the live virus is better than the dead one.

3. And you would think 1000% incorrectly again. It has been clearly shown w past viral infections that most vaccinations result in longer lasting & better immunity than the immunity acquired w infection. Preliminary evidence suggests that this is going to be true w Covid as well. Also, it has been shown that vaccinating previously infected individuals enhances their protective immunologic responses to Covid. Once again, it would be wise to not spout off about something you know nothing about.

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:

threrf23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

22 fully vaccinated people, incl 18 residents acc to one article, at a nursing home contracted Covid. One died.

8 unvaccinated residents contracted Covid, four were hospitalized and two died.

This is being treated as cautionary, but I think it's encouraging that only resident died amongst the vaccinated group.

This article is slightly more informative than the NY Times article linked:

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/coronavirus/imperative-that-nursing-home-residents-workers-be-vaccinated-after-outbreak-study-cdc-says

1. How on earth do they know the unvaccinated worker passed it along?
Does the virus tested in the new people leave behind the DNA of who passed it to them?
The article says the unvaccinated worker was tested earliest, but how can they know that others didn't have it before that and pass it to that person?

1. High likelihood.

2. Also, there's no factual evidence that vaccinated people can't transmit it.

2. Untrue. A large amount of excellent peer reviewed evidence is accruing suggesting that vaccinated people are much less likely to transmit. It would be wise to not spout off about something you know nothing about.

3. Also, why did Fournier get the vaccine when he just recovered from Covid?
I would think your body fighting off the live virus is better than the dead one.

3. And you would think 1000% incorrectly again. It has been clearly shown w past viral infections that most vaccinations result in longer lasting & better immunity than the immunity acquired w infection.
Preliminary evidence suggests that this is going to be true w Covid as well. Also, it has been shown that vaccinating previously infected individuals enhances their protective immunologic responses to Covid. Once again, it would be wise to not spout off about something you know nothing about.

Which produces a stronger immune response: a natural infection or a vaccine?

The short answer: We don’t know.

Vaccines for some pathogens, like pneumococcal bacteria, induce better immunity than the natural infection does. Early evidence suggests that the Covid-19 vaccines may fall into this category. Volunteers who received the Moderna shot had more antibodies — one marker of immune response — in their blood than did people who had been sick with Covid-19.

In other cases, however, a natural infection is more powerful than a vaccine. For example, having mumps — which can, in rare cases, cause fertility problems in men — generates lifelong immunity, but some people who have received one or two doses of the vaccine still get the disease.

Green89 wrote:

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:
1. How on earth do they know the unvaccinated worker passed it along?
Does the virus tested in the new people leave behind the DNA of who passed it to them?
The article says the unvaccinated worker was tested earliest, but how can they know that others didn't have it before that and pass it to that person?

1. High likelihood.

2. Also, there's no factual evidence that vaccinated people can't transmit it.

2. Untrue. A large amount of excellent peer reviewed evidence is accruing suggesting that vaccinated people are much less likely to transmit. It would be wise to not spout off about something you know nothing about.

3. Also, why did Fournier get the vaccine when he just recovered from Covid?
I would think your body fighting off the live virus is better than the dead one.

3. And you would think 1000% incorrectly again. It has been clearly shown w past viral infections that most vaccinations result in longer lasting & better immunity than the immunity acquired w infection.
Preliminary evidence suggests that this is going to be true w Covid as well. Also, it has been shown that vaccinating previously infected individuals enhances their protective immunologic responses to Covid. Once again, it would be wise to not spout off about something you know nothing about.

Thanks for your usual pompous answer. I'm pretty sure asking questions means you don't know. Where in my post did I say I did? And why would I ask questions if I did?

Whatever.
I read the original publications every freaking day.
What I wrote is the state of the art as it is currently known.

I'm better off looking it up online than to get this type of response that is typical here.
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Which produces a stronger immune response: a natural infection or a vaccine?

The short answer: We don’t know.

Vaccines for some pathogens, like pneumococcal bacteria, induce better immunity than the natural infection does. Early evidence suggests that the Covid-19 vaccines may fall into this category. Volunteers who received the Moderna shot had more antibodies — one marker of immune response — in their blood than did people who had been sick with Covid-19.

In other cases, however, a natural infection is more powerful than a vaccine. For example, having mumps — which can, in rare cases, cause fertility problems in men — generates lifelong immunity, but some people who have received one or two doses of the vaccine still get the disease.

Yah, sounds like I'm 1000% wrong, huh.

And I'm googling like crazy to find anywhere it states vaccinated people can't transmit covid. No luck, though. Maybe you should write some online articles about it. You's be the groundbreaking first one to break the fact that vaccinated people can't transmit it.

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:

exculpatory wrote:

Thanks for your usual pompous answer. I'm pretty sure asking questions means you don't know. Where in my post did I say I did? And why would I ask questions if I did?

Whatever.
I read the original publications every freaking day.
What I wrote is the state of the art as it is currently known.

I'm better off looking it up online than to get this type of response that is typical here.
[b][color=#FF0040]

Which produces a stronger immune response: a natural infection or a vaccine?

The short answer: We don’t know.

Vaccines for some pathogens, like pneumococcal bacteria, induce better immunity than the natural infection does. Early evidence suggests that the Covid-19 vaccines may fall into this category. Volunteers who received the Moderna shot had more antibodies — one marker of immune response — in their blood than did people who had been sick with Covid-19.

In other cases, however, a natural infection is more powerful than a vaccine. For example, having mumps — which can, in rare cases, cause fertility problems in men — generates lifelong immunity, but some people who have received one or two doses of the vaccine still get the disease.

Yah, sounds like I'm 1000% wrong, huh.

And I'm googling like crazy to find anywhere it states vaccinated people can't transmit covid. No luck, though. Maybe you should write some online articles about it. You's be the groundbreaking first one to break the fact that vaccinated people can't transmit it.

I said that evidence is accruing suggesting this.
I will find you a couple of the publications.

Green89 wrote:

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:
Thanks for your usual pompous answer. I'm pretty sure asking questions means you don't know. Where in my post did I say I did? And why would I ask questions if I did?

Whatever.
I read the original publications every freaking day.
What I wrote is the state of the art as it is currently known.

I'm better off looking it up online than to get this type of response that is typical here.
[b][color=#FF0040]



Yah, sounds like I'm 1000% wrong, huh.

And I'm googling like crazy to find anywhere it states vaccinated people can't transmit covid. No luck, though. Maybe you should write some online articles about it. You's be the groundbreaking first one to break the fact that vaccinated people can't transmit it.

I said that evidence is accruing suggesting this.
I will find you a couple of the publications.

What have you seen on covid infections after vaccination vs. reinfections of those who had covid once? We've been over a year now into covid, and reports of reinfections remain low. I haven't researched much, but did see some CDC info a little while back where it had a decent amount of infections noted after two doses of the vaccination.

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:

exculpatory wrote:
I said that evidence is accruing suggesting this.
I will find you a couple of the publications.

What have you seen on covid infections after vaccination vs. reinfections of those who had covid once? We've been over a year now into covid, and reports of reinfections remain low. I haven't researched much, but did see some CDC info a little while back where it had a decent amount of infections noted after two doses of the vaccination.

"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real-world data," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told Rachel Maddow on Monday, March 29. Walensky was describing the results of a new CDC study of vaccinated Americans, which found that they not only had very high resistance to COVID-19, but also to asymptomatic infections of the SARS-CoV-2 virus – and, by extension, are very unlikely to spread it to other people.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

In answer to your second question:
I can tell you right now that reinfection after a bout of Covid happens infrequently (sometimes due to a variant), and infection after full vaccination is ALSO very infrequent. I will find you the exact numbers - but it is extraordinarily unlikely.
Found it - as of 4/20/2021:
“Walensky said that of the 84 million people who have been fully vaccinated in the United States, fewer than 6,000 have gotten sick with COVID-19 more than two weeks after being fully dosed. Of those, nearly 400 were hospitalized and around 75 died, according to CDC data. Some of the hospitalizations and deaths were not due to COVID-19 infections.”
6000/84,000,000 = 0.007% Low enough for you?

PS I apologize for sounding haughty before.

Green89 wrote:

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:
What have you seen on covid infections after vaccination vs. reinfections of those who had covid once? We've been over a year now into covid, and reports of reinfections remain low. I haven't researched much, but did see some CDC info a little while back where it had a decent amount of infections noted after two doses of the vaccination.

"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real-world data," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told Rachel Maddow on Monday, March 29. Walensky was describing the results of a new CDC study of vaccinated Americans, which found that they not only had very high resistance to COVID-19, but also to asymptomatic infections of the SARS-CoV-2 virus – and, by extension, are very unlikely to spread it to other people.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

In answer to your second question:
I can tell you right now that reinfection after a bout of Covid happens infrequently (sometimes due to a variant), and infection after full vaccination is ALSO very infrequent. I will find you the exact numbers - but it is extraordinarily unlikely.
Found it - as of 4/20/2021:
“Walensky said that of the 84 million people who have been fully vaccinated in the United States, fewer than 6,000 have gotten sick with COVID-19 more than two weeks after being fully dosed. Of those, nearly 400 were hospitalized and around 75 died, according to CDC data. Some of the hospitalizations and deaths were not due to COVID-19 infections.”
6000/84,000,000 = 0.007% Low enough for you?

PS I apologize for sounding haughty before.

No problem. The stuff you posted is encouraging that vaccinated people are rarely going to get full blown covid, or even asymptomatic covid, This will greatly reduce spreading. And yes, .007 is very low, but as you said, the covid reinfection rate out of the 32 million cases is also rare and that percentage should be just as low if not lower. It's safe to say that both methods work, and as far as which one being better, there may just need to be more time passed as we go further months into the post vaccine research, to be able to tell which protects you more.

Yup. But the sophisticated immunologic data to date suggests/predicts that, in the case of Covid, vaccination is better than natural infection in producing sustained immunity.

Do you know if they can add multiple strains of the covid variant into 1 shot, like they do with the flu shot?

Absolutely.
The mRNA platform for the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines can be readily modified to produce a vaccine which better protects against important variants. The process already began a month or 2 ago. I believe that annual Covid vaccinations are in our future.

Green89 wrote:

threrf23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

22 fully vaccinated people, incl 18 residents acc to one article, at a nursing home contracted Covid. One died.

8 unvaccinated residents contracted Covid, four were hospitalized and two died.

This is being treated as cautionary, but I think it's encouraging that only resident died amongst the vaccinated group.

This article is slightly more informative than the NY Times article linked:

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/coronavirus/imperative-that-nursing-home-residents-workers-be-vaccinated-after-outbreak-study-cdc-says

How on earth do they know the unvaccinated worker passed it along? Does the virus tested in the new people leave behind the DNA of who passed it to them? Also, there's no factual evidence that vaccinated people can't transmit it. The article says the unvaccinated worker was tested earliest, but how can they know that others didn't have it before that and pass it to that person?

Also, why did Fournier get the vaccine when he just recovered from covid? I would think your body fighting off the live virus is better than the dead one.

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:

exculpatory wrote:
"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real-world data," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told Rachel Maddow on Monday, March 29. Walensky was describing the results of a new CDC study of vaccinated Americans, which found that they not only had very high resistance to COVID-19, but also to asymptomatic infections of the SARS-CoV-2 virus – and, by extension, are very unlikely to spread it to other people.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

In answer to your second question:
I can tell you right now that reinfection after a bout of Covid happens infrequently (sometimes due to a variant), and infection after full vaccination is ALSO very infrequent. I will find you the exact numbers - but it is extraordinarily unlikely.
Found it - as of 4/20/2021:
“Walensky said that of the 84 million people who have been fully vaccinated in the United States, fewer than 6,000 have gotten sick with COVID-19 more than two weeks after being fully dosed. Of those, nearly 400 were hospitalized and around 75 died, according to CDC data. Some of the hospitalizations and deaths were not due to COVID-19 infections.”
6000/84,000,000 = 0.007% Low enough for you?

PS I apologize for sounding haughty before.

No problem. The stuff you posted is encouraging that vaccinated people are rarely going to get full blown covid, or even asymptomatic covid, This will greatly reduce spreading. And yes, .007 is very low, but as you said, the covid reinfection rate out of the 32 million cases is also rare and that percentage should be just as low if not lower. It's safe to say that both methods work, and as far as which one being better, there may just need to be more time passed as we go further months into the post vaccine research, to be able to tell which protects you more.

Yup. But the sophisticated immunologic data to date suggests/predicts that, in the case of Covid, vaccination is better than natural infection in producing sustained immunity.

Do you know if they can add multiple strains of the covid variant into 1 shot, like they do with the flu shot?

Absolutely.
The mRNA platform for the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines can be readily modified to produce a vaccine which better protects against important variants. The process already began a month or 2 ago. I believe that annual Covid vaccinations are in our future.

La Flame wrote:

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:
No problem. The stuff you posted is encouraging that vaccinated people are rarely going to get full blown covid, or even asymptomatic covid, This will greatly reduce spreading. And yes, .007 is very low, but as you said, the covid reinfection rate out of the 32 million cases is also rare and that percentage should be just as low if not lower. It's safe to say that both methods work, and as far as which one being better, there may just need to be more time passed as we go further months into the post vaccine research, to be able to tell which protects you more.

Yup. But the sophisticated immunologic data to date suggests/predicts that, in the case of Covid, vaccination is better than natural infection in producing sustained immunity.

Do you know if they can add multiple strains of the covid variant into 1 shot, like they do with the flu shot?

Absolutely.
The mRNA platform for the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines can be readily modified to produce a vaccine which better protects against important variants. The process already began a month or 2 ago. I believe that annual Covid vaccinations are in our future.

Annual vaccinations? And that's okay to you?

La Flame wrote:

exculpatory wrote:

Green89 wrote:
No problem. The stuff you posted is encouraging that vaccinated people are rarely going to get full blown covid, or even asymptomatic covid, This will greatly reduce spreading. And yes, .007 is very low, but as you said, the covid reinfection rate out of the 32 million cases is also rare and that percentage should be just as low if not lower. It's safe to say that both methods work, and as far as which one being better, there may just need to be more time passed as we go further months into the post vaccine research, to be able to tell which protects you more.

Yup. But the sophisticated immunologic data to date suggests/predicts that, in the case of Covid, vaccination is better than natural infection in producing sustained immunity.

Do you know if they can add multiple strains of the covid variant into 1 shot, like they do with the flu shot?

Absolutely.
The mRNA platform for the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines can be readily modified to produce a vaccine which better protects against important variants. The process already began a month or 2 ago. I believe that annual Covid vaccinations are in our future.

Annual vaccinations? And that's okay to you?