Outsiders on the Celtics

[CelticsPride18]

I know this seems far fetched but with all the talk about the amnesty clause on the next CBA deal a player like Blake Griffin might get amnestied and we could get him for the MLE.

[bucknersrevenge]

I know this seems far fetched but with all the talk about the amnesty clause on the next CBA deal a player like Blake Griffin might get amnestied and we could get him for the MLE.

Be sure to factor in how this pandemic and the loss of revenue affects the salary cap; what it was expected to be and how that may change. The MLE may be lower than expected. And considering the financial obligations we know we will have (Tatum, Hayward), how realistic is it that we will be likely to spend a lot of money over the commitments we already have.

[Floody100]

Beal doesn’t really do it for me.
If we’re packaging a deal around Brown I’d hope for someone not only better than Beal but someone who would fit this teams needs better than him.

[24istheLAW]

You don't trade for Beal strictly because of the player he is on the court. You do it to ensure that Tatum stays.

[Parliament10]

I'm not down or interested in trading Team Shamrock, for a few years.
Hayward and/or Theis would come before that.

This boat is working. Why Rock it?

[Fencer reregistered]

You don't trade for Beal strictly because of the player he is on the court. You do it to ensure that Tatum stays.

It's not obvious to me that the best way to keep Tatum is to hire his mentor/benefactor.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You don't trade for Beal strictly because of the player he is on the court. You do it to ensure that Tatum stays.

It's not obvious to me that the best way to keep Tatum is to hire his mentor/benefactor.

Agreed— while Tatum may love Beal personally, I wouldnt be so sure that this is the best way to keep Tatum happy long term. Its definitely possible, dont get me wrong; but I’d guess that Tatum would prefer to be the first option somewhere and I’m not sure Beal would be overly eager to cede that role to his ‘little brother’ when he’d be quite confident that he could do that role himself.

[Feed Your Head]

You don't trade for Beal strictly because of the player he is on the court. You do it to ensure that Tatum stays.

It's not obvious to me that the best way to keep Tatum is to hire his mentor/benefactor.

Agreed— while Tatum may love Beal personally, I wouldnt be so sure that this is the best way to keep Tatum happy long term. Its definitely possible, dont get me wrong; but I’d guess that Tatum would prefer to be the first option somewhere and I’m not sure Beal would be overly eager to cede that role to his ‘little brother’ when he’d be quite confident that he could do that role himself.

I know just saying something and taking a backseat are entirely different, but Beal is on the record in saying that he thinks Tatum will be a far better player than himself.

I'd prefer Mitchell, but I'd strongly consider Beal. His knees scare me somewhat, but i think if he were to be moved here, he would go back to trying on the defensive end.

[MagicBagley18]

It's not obvious to me that the best way to keep Tatum is to hire his mentor/benefactor.

Agreed— while Tatum may love Beal personally, I wouldnt be so sure that this is the best way to keep Tatum happy long term. Its definitely possible, dont get me wrong; but I’d guess that Tatum would prefer to be the first option somewhere and I’m not sure Beal would be overly eager to cede that role to his ‘little brother’ when he’d be quite confident that he could do that role himself.

I know just saying something and taking a backseat are entirely different, but Beal is on the record in saying that he thinks Tatum will be a far better player than himself.

I'd prefer Mitchell, but I'd strongly consider Beal. His knees scare me somewhat, but i think if he were to be moved here, he would go back to trying on the defensive end.

I don’t think beal would mind letting Tatum flourish just bc of the St. Louis connection

[bucknersrevenge]

Agreed— while Tatum may love Beal personally, I wouldnt be so sure that this is the best way to keep Tatum happy long term. Its definitely possible, dont get me wrong; but I’d guess that Tatum would prefer to be the first option somewhere and I’m not sure Beal would be overly eager to cede that role to his ‘little brother’ when he’d be quite confident that he could do that role himself.

I know just saying something and taking a backseat are entirely different, but Beal is on the record in saying that he thinks Tatum will be a far better player than himself.

I'd prefer Mitchell, but I'd strongly consider Beal. His knees scare me somewhat, but i think if he were to be moved here, he would go back to trying on the defensive end.

I don’t think beal would mind letting Tatum flourish just bc of the St. Louis connection

Nope. I don't think he'd mind at all. And there would be more than enough shots to go around for Beal. They are EXTREMELY close. And the opportunity to win a title together would be more than enough to keep them on the same page.

[themoneyteam2]

Of all 20 PPG scorers, Jaylen Brown was last in usage, 2nd to last in time of possession & 3rd to last in touches.

I would love to see them keep Brown alongside Tatum long-term. They can be special!

[hugepatsfan]

In regards to Kemba/Hayward fitting the timeline of Tatum/Brown...

Kemba is signed for 3 years beyond this one. I would try to align Hayward on the same timeline, either through an opt out this year and a new 3 year deal or playing out this year and then signing a 2 year deal next offseason. Might have to overpay him on the two year deal but I think it would be worth it. You'd align things well to compete over the next 3 years with Kemba/Hayward and then immediately transition to a new contending core right after.

That sets you in 3 offseason from now to head into FA with Tatum/Brown on their extensions, cap holds for Romeo and Grant, and then rookie contracts for any players drafted from this year on. You'd be set up for major financial flexibility. You could potentially get yourself in position for a max or maybe go for some second tier FAs that fit with Brown/Tatum.

There are a few players who you'd have to make intermediate decisions on:

Theis is a FA after next year. So you'd have to either re-sign him to a 2 year deal or let him walk.

Robert Williams will be an RFA in 2 years. If you kept him on the RFA tender he'd be another cap hold you have to choose to keep or renounce during that planned spending spree.

The really tough one is Smart. He expires in 2 years. If you re-signed him it kind of blows up the plan of being able to go for a max (though you would still be able to sign a role player). Another possibility could be doing what MIA did with Wade where they gave him bloated one year deals with hope of leaving flexibility for the next year. Boston could try the same with Smart and the idea he would come back for less if they needed the money for someone else.

Just a suggestion.

[BRUNiNHO91]

In regards to Kemba/Hayward fitting the timeline of Tatum/Brown...

Kemba is signed for 3 years beyond this one. I would try to align Hayward on the same timeline, either through an opt out this year and a new 3 year deal or playing out this year and then signing a 2 year deal next offseason. Might have to overpay him on the two year deal but I think it would be worth it. You'd align things well to compete over the next 3 years with Kemba/Hayward and then immediately transition to a new contending core right after.

That sets you in 3 offseason from now to head into FA with Tatum/Brown on their extensions, cap holds for Romeo and Grant, and then rookie contracts for any players drafted from this year on. You'd be set up for major financial flexibility. You could potentially get yourself in position for a max or maybe go for some second tier FAs that fit with Brown/Tatum.

There are a few players who you'd have to make intermediate decisions on:

Theis is a FA after next year. So you'd have to either re-sign him to a 2 year deal or let him walk.

Robert Williams will be an RFA in 2 years. If you kept him on the RFA tender he'd be another cap hold you have to choose to keep or renounce during that planned spending spree.

The really tough one is Smart. He expires in 2 years. If you re-signed him it kind of blows up the plan of being able to go for a max (though you would still be able to sign a role player). Another possibility could be doing what MIA did with Wade where they gave him bloated one year deals with hope of leaving flexibility for the next year. Boston could try the same with Smart and the idea he would come back for less if they needed the money for someone else.

Just a suggestion.

I love the Hayward, JB and JT trio..Smart as the 4th guy. I'd try to keep the core of the team as is and by the end of next season, if you can't find some cheap answers for the front court, I'd have no problem sliding Smart into the starting line up and using Kemba + pieces as trade bait for a big. Not buying Kemba as an elite PG for too much longer..

[Floody100]

In regards to Kemba/Hayward fitting the timeline of Tatum/Brown...

Kemba is signed for 3 years beyond this one. I would try to align Hayward on the same timeline, either through an opt out this year and a new 3 year deal or playing out this year and then signing a 2 year deal next offseason. Might have to overpay him on the two year deal but I think it would be worth it. You'd align things well to compete over the next 3 years with Kemba/Hayward and then immediately transition to a new contending core right after.

That sets you in 3 offseason from now to head into FA with Tatum/Brown on their extensions, cap holds for Romeo and Grant, and then rookie contracts for any players drafted from this year on. You'd be set up for major financial flexibility. You could potentially get yourself in position for a max or maybe go for some second tier FAs that fit with Brown/Tatum.

There are a few players who you'd have to make intermediate decisions on:

Theis is a FA after next year. So you'd have to either re-sign him to a 2 year deal or let him walk.

Robert Williams will be an RFA in 2 years. If you kept him on the RFA tender he'd be another cap hold you have to choose to keep or renounce during that planned spending spree.

The really tough one is Smart. He expires in 2 years. If you re-signed him it kind of blows up the plan of being able to go for a max (though you would still be able to sign a role player). Another possibility could be doing what MIA did with Wade where they gave him bloated one year deals with hope of leaving flexibility for the next year. Boston could try the same with Smart and the idea he would come back for less if they needed the money for someone else.

Just a suggestion.

I love the Hayward, JB and JT trio..Smart as the 4th guy. I'd try to keep the core of the team as is and by the end of next season, if you can't find some cheap answers for the front court, I'd have no problem sliding Smart into the starting line up and using Kemba + pieces as trade bait for a big. Not buying Kemba as an elite PG for too much longer..

Jonathan Isaac ?

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Isaac-Williams

The defence of that starting 5 would be insane.

[BRUNiNHO91]

In regards to Kemba/Hayward fitting the timeline of Tatum/Brown...

Kemba is signed for 3 years beyond this one. I would try to align Hayward on the same timeline, either through an opt out this year and a new 3 year deal or playing out this year and then signing a 2 year deal next offseason. Might have to overpay him on the two year deal but I think it would be worth it. You'd align things well to compete over the next 3 years with Kemba/Hayward and then immediately transition to a new contending core right after.

That sets you in 3 offseason from now to head into FA with Tatum/Brown on their extensions, cap holds for Romeo and Grant, and then rookie contracts for any players drafted from this year on. You'd be set up for major financial flexibility. You could potentially get yourself in position for a max or maybe go for some second tier FAs that fit with Brown/Tatum.

There are a few players who you'd have to make intermediate decisions on:

Theis is a FA after next year. So you'd have to either re-sign him to a 2 year deal or let him walk.

Robert Williams will be an RFA in 2 years. If you kept him on the RFA tender he'd be another cap hold you have to choose to keep or renounce during that planned spending spree.

The really tough one is Smart. He expires in 2 years. If you re-signed him it kind of blows up the plan of being able to go for a max (though you would still be able to sign a role player). Another possibility could be doing what MIA did with Wade where they gave him bloated one year deals with hope of leaving flexibility for the next year. Boston could try the same with Smart and the idea he would come back for less if they needed the money for someone else.

Just a suggestion.

I love the Hayward, JB and JT trio..Smart as the 4th guy. I'd try to keep the core of the team as is and by the end of next season, if you can't find some cheap answers for the front court, I'd have no problem sliding Smart into the starting line up and using Kemba + pieces as trade bait for a big. Not buying Kemba as an elite PG for too much longer..

Jonathan Isaac ?

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Isaac-Williams

The defence of that starting 5 would be insane.

Possibly. I think if you're set on Rob being your 5 and you're taking Hayward out, I'd go for Aaron Gordon as a 4 over Isaac. Love his potential as a Iguodala type guy playing off JB and JT.. Good player to throw at Giannis and Kawhi, the likely top 2 guys in the NBA in 2 years.

[bucknersrevenge]

I love the Hayward, JB and JT trio..Smart as the 4th guy. I'd try to keep the core of the team as is and by the end of next season, if you can't find some cheap answers for the front court, I'd have no problem sliding Smart into the starting line up and using Kemba + pieces as trade bait for a big. Not buying Kemba as an elite PG for too much longer..

Jonathan Isaac ?

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Isaac-Williams

The defence of that starting 5 would be insane.

Possibly. I think if you're set on Rob being your 5 and you're taking Hayward out, I'd go for Aaron Gordon as a 4 over Isaac. Love his potential as a Iguodala type guy playing off JB and JT.. Good player to throw at Giannis and Kawhi, the likely top 2 guys in the NBA in 2 years.

Don't get me started on Gordon. Personal binky of mine and always has been. I get emotionally erect even thinking about him in Green.