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Tremont Waters is Your 2020 G-League Rookie of the Year

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Re: Tremont Waters is Your 2020 G-League Rookie of the Year 

Post#21 » by Taget » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:26 pm

I guess after Abdel Nasser fizzled after lighting up the d/g league and Carsen Edwards looking all-star level against g-league/summer league talent and lost against NBA talent I am gun shy about making any predictions. But Waters is definitely going to be in contention for the third string spot. And if he doesn't make our roster he probably makes someone elses.

List of Red Claw Rookies of the Years in the last 10 years:

DeShawn Sims 2010-2011 (I assume still playing in Europe)
Tim Frazier 2014-2015 (also won MVP that year, now a journeyman who played 13.1 minutes a game for the Detroit Pistons this season)
Abdel Nader 2016-2017 (fringe player for the Oklahoma City Thunder)
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Post#22 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:06 pm

Waters is more skilled and more entertaining than Wanamaker but I'm not sure he's better when it comes to winning and losing. Wanamaker is a grown man: strong, and a tough defender. Wanamaker is also 6 inches taller.

If Waters had Wanamaker's body, Waters would be an all star caliber point guard.
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Re: Tremont Waters is Your 2020 G-League Rookie of the Year 

Post#23 » by snowman » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:10 am

Waters reminds me of IT4, but also reminds me of Dee Brown. He don't have the hops that Brown had, but as far as the shooting and play making, I see a lot of similarities.
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Post#24 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:42 am

Dee Brown had limited point guard skills. Waters is light years ahead as a passer. Best comp for me is Shane Larkin. There is also Phil Pressey, but Waters is better now than Pressey every was.
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Re: Tremont Waters is Your 2020 G-League Rookie of the Year 

Post#25 » by Captain_Caveman » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:27 am

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Fencer reregistered wrote:Congrats to him!

Is there a list of previous winners?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/awards/roy.html

Red Claws players have won 3 of the last 6 ROYs. Ainge has drafted 2 of the last 4 ROYs. Abdel Nader was the last one.


So of the 18 winners of this award, 1 has so far had a significant NBA career? (Robert Covington)


I've read/heard a few scout types who like him more than Edwards, but yeah.
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Post#26 » by snowman » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:41 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Dee Brown had limited point guard skills. Waters is light years ahead as a passer. Best comp for me is Shane Larkin. There is also Phil Pressey, but Waters is better now than Pressey every was.


I agree completely. I also think Waters is a better passer than Larkin. I really want him to take over the 3rd PG spot from Wannamaker next season.
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Post#27 » by return2glory » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:56 pm

Congrats to Tremont! Well deserved. He is an exciting player on both ends of the floor.

Caren had a really good year too in the time he spent in the G-League. Tremont is more NBA ready. But Carsen will figure out how to be effective in the league.
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Post#28 » by hugepatsfan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:22 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
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Fencer reregistered wrote:Congrats to him!

Is there a list of previous winners?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/awards/roy.html

Red Claws players have won 3 of the last 6 ROYs. Ainge has drafted 2 of the last 4 ROYs. Abdel Nader was the last one.


So of the 18 winners of this award, 1 has so far had a significant NBA career? (Robert Covington)


Yeah but remember where Waters was drafted. Covington is the only one that had a "significant" impact off that list but Abdel Nader, Quinn Cook, Tim Frazier, Alonzo Gee, Louis Amundson and Will Bynum have all been rotation players. If Waters is even a 3rd point guard he's a really good pick for where he was drafted and this is at least an encouraging sign towards that.
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Post#29 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:31 pm

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Fencer reregistered wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/awards/roy.html

Red Claws players have won 3 of the last 6 ROYs. Ainge has drafted 2 of the last 4 ROYs. Abdel Nader was the last one.


So of the 18 winners of this award, 1 has so far had a significant NBA career? (Robert Covington)


Yeah but remember where Waters was drafted. Covington is the only one that had a "significant" impact off that list but Abdel Nader, Quinn Cook, Tim Frazier, Alonzo Gee, Louis Amundson and Will Bynum have all been rotation players. If Waters is even a 3rd point guard he's a really good pick for where he was drafted and this is at least an encouraging sign towards that.


Agreed. Good for him. The odds are still against him becoming more than a replacement-level player. I hope he beats those odds.
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Post#30 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:19 am

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So of the 18 winners of this award, 1 has so far had a significant NBA career? (Robert Covington)


Yeah but remember where Waters was drafted. Covington is the only one that had a "significant" impact off that list but Abdel Nader, Quinn Cook, Tim Frazier, Alonzo Gee, Louis Amundson and Will Bynum have all been rotation players. If Waters is even a 3rd point guard he's a really good pick for where he was drafted and this is at least an encouraging sign towards that.


Agreed. Good for him. The odds are still against him becoming more than a replacement-level player. I hope he beats those odds.


Oh, I think he will beat those odds easily. But will he ever rise much above replacement level? That's a much harder question. He still has issues on defense, e.g. it's way too easy to rub him off on a pick. He'll never get taller, but he has to get stronger.

He's fortunate that the game has changed since the 1990's. In the hand check era, he would have no chance.
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Post#31 » by 31to6 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:46 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Waters is more skilled and more entertaining than Wanamaker but I'm not sure he's better when it comes to winning and losing. Wanamaker is a grown man: strong, and a tough defender. Wanamaker is also 6 inches taller.

If Waters had Wanamaker's body, Waters would be an all star caliber point guard.


I love Tremont but Wanamaker gets mad disrespect. We switch everything, and he was banging with guys like Milsap last year. Also led the league in FT% and near the top in catch and shoot 3%.

But mostly the size and strength on defense are easy to take for granted, until you have a Tremont Waters/Donovan Mitchell backcourt:)
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ConstableGeneva wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/awards/roy.html

Red Claws players have won 3 of the last 6 ROYs. Ainge has drafted 2 of the last 4 ROYs. Abdel Nader was the last one.


So of the 18 winners of this award, 1 has so far had a significant NBA career? (Robert Covington)


I've read/heard a few scout types who like him more than Edwards, but yeah.


Being seen as better than Edwards is a very low bar these days. Edwards is seen as nothing but a scorer ... who doesn't score. He doesn't even have cool hair any more.
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Post#34 » by Triple7 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:57 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
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So of the 18 winners of this award, 1 has so far had a significant NBA career? (Robert Covington)


I've read/heard a few scout types who like him more than Edwards, but yeah.


Being seen as better than Edwards is a very low bar these days. Edwards is seen as nothing but a scorer ... who doesn't score. He doesn't even have cool hair any more.


I agree with this. I have seen enough of Carsen to know he’s useless. He was given enough exposure to show case his skill and worth, instead he showed he was a bust. He can’t shoot, he can’t pass. We were much better off giving Waters his minutes last year.
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Post#35 » by Ill News » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:53 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Dee Brown had limited point guard skills. Waters is light years ahead as a passer. Best comp for me is Shane Larkin. There is also Phil Pressey, but Waters is better now than Pressey every was.

Great comparisons, I thought of those players as well. Though based on what he's shown, I think Waters has a higher IQ and better PG skills than either of those two, which gives me hope that he'll be an impactful 6th man in the future.
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Post#37 » by Ernest » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:06 am

How does it work now, can we see Waters or Tacko in a game this year?
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Post#38 » by Parliament10 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:42 pm

Ernest wrote:How does it work now, can we see Waters or Tacko in a game this year?

If the Two-Way contract rules stand, then just in the 8 Regular Season games. But, Not in the Playoffs.
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Post#39 » by ParticleMan » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:11 pm

it'd be such a huge bonus if tre could become a solid backup to kemba next year. i have a feeling wanamaker will get an offer he can't refuse, and he's earned it.

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