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SmartWentCrazy wrote:

SmartWentCrazy wrote:

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Cam has had half a season worth of good play in the past four years. Rest of the time, he was either injured or just straight booty.





All numbers from before his body broke down.

Hes been hurt for two years now— he tore his rotator cuff half way thru 18 and broke his foot in 19.Also, schematics matter. Hes about to have the best o line hes ever had and he wont take the same shots with a quick release system

I see youre talking about before that now— to me, football analytics are real tough. Systems and personnel are so important and PFF isnt always aware of the reads designed by the play. Im less concerned with Newton not performing in a downfield risk taking system than I would be him in the short-mid distance system he played in 2018.

Prior to the 2011 CBA, non-exclusive franchise tags had been an average of the five largest salaries in the prior year at a player’s position or 120 percent of the prior year’s salary of the player, whichever was greater. [...]

The 120 percent and five largest salaries provisions remain intact, but the formula component is now calculated over a five year period that’s tied to a percentage of the overall salary cap. More specifically, the number for each position is determined by taking the sum of the non-exclusive franchise tags as determined by the original methodology for the previous five seasons and dividing by the sum of the actual NFL salary cap amount for the previous five seasons. The resulting percentage, which is known as the Cap Percentage Average in the CBA, is then multiplied by the actual salary cap for the upcoming league year.

Homerclease wrote:Cam is washed. Maybe they aren’t as sold on Stidham as originally thought.

BillTheGOAT wrote:Now the deal is up to 503 million...dang with player options, and up to 477 million in guarantees? This is the NBA or MLB now..

There is also $25 million in incentives tied to winning the MVP and reaching the Super Bowl starting in the 2022 season. The contract leaves the Chiefs with a lot of short-term flexibility as nearly the whole deal is conditionally guaranteed, Pelissero said. Per Rapoport, by March (2021), $106 million will be fully guaranteed and there is a no-trade clause in the deal.

$140 million injury guarantee.

celticfan42487 wrote:Cam just seems like the kind of player with these videos that will be cut by the regular season.

He hasn't gotten there yet, but he's already at the TO doing situps after no one wanted him stage.

As long as he stays away from walking too far down the Antonio Brown path he can have a career still. But yikes, walking on thin ice man.

bucknersrevenge wrote:

celticfan42487 wrote:Cam just seems like the kind of player with these videos that will be cut by the regular season.

He hasn't gotten there yet, but he's already at the TO doing situps after no one wanted him stage.

As long as he stays away from walking too far down the Antonio Brown path he can have a career still. But yikes, walking on thin ice man.

Yeah, this reads like personal bias. You can try if you want to but Newton's talent is undeniable. He's a tremendous leader who teammates gravitate to. All you SHOULD be seeing in that video is a man who just bet on himself and is eager to prove haters wrong. This is nothing that Brady hasn't been doing for years now. And to say that nobody wanted him ignores significant factors at play. The only way he doesn't win the job is because the foot isn't healed. Though, due to the lateness in the year this signing comes, it's possible he may not have completely mastered the playbook by the time camp hits.

celticfan42487 wrote:

bucknersrevenge wrote:

celticfan42487 wrote:Cam just seems like the kind of player with these videos that will be cut by the regular season.

He hasn't gotten there yet, but he's already at the TO doing situps after no one wanted him stage.

As long as he stays away from walking too far down the Antonio Brown path he can have a career still. But yikes, walking on thin ice man.

Yeah, this reads like personal bias. You can try if you want to but Newton's talent is undeniable. He's a tremendous leader who teammates gravitate to. All you SHOULD be seeing in that video is a man who just bet on himself and is eager to prove haters wrong. This is nothing that Brady hasn't been doing for years now. And to say that nobody wanted him ignores significant factors at play. The only way he doesn't win the job is because the foot isn't healed. Though, due to the lateness in the year this signing comes, it's possible he may not have completely mastered the playbook by the time camp hits.

Brady has been posted videos of himself doing situps and saying he's a dragon or some dumb ****?

Or sucking for the past few years before doing this?

Pretty sure the personal bias is on your side, if he was a Jet doing it we'd be laughing our asses off at him.

bucknersrevenge wrote:

celticfan42487 wrote:

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Yeah, this reads like personal bias. You can try if you want to but Newton's talent is undeniable. He's a tremendous leader who teammates gravitate to. All you SHOULD be seeing in that video is a man who just bet on himself and is eager to prove haters wrong. This is nothing that Brady hasn't been doing for years now. And to say that nobody wanted him ignores significant factors at play. The only way he doesn't win the job is because the foot isn't healed. Though, due to the lateness in the year this signing comes, it's possible he may not have completely mastered the playbook by the time camp hits.

Brady has been posted videos of himself doing situps and saying he's a dragon or some dumb ****?

Or sucking for the past few years before doing this?

Pretty sure the personal bias is on your side, if he was a Jet doing it we'd be laughing our asses off at him.

Actually lion, not dragon is what he meant and the fact that you view what he said as "dumb ****" reveals your bias. Brady in workout videos has absolutely talked himself up, has trolled media and fans. And pumps himself up in his own unique way before games and in workouts. Edelman does it too. Gronk as well. And some would argue that Brady has not been that impressive at QB the last couple of years and has rode a defense that has significantly improved over that time. People have a hard time with who Cam is, and ALL of the ways that he is different from Brady potentially being the new face of the Patriots.

celticfan42487 wrote:

bucknersrevenge wrote:

celticfan42487 wrote:
Brady has been posted videos of himself doing situps and saying he's a dragon or some dumb ****?

Or sucking for the past few years before doing this?

Pretty sure the personal bias is on your side, if he was a Jet doing it we'd be laughing our asses off at him.

Actually lion, not dragon is what he meant and the fact that you view what he said as "dumb ****" reveals your bias. Brady in workout videos has absolutely talked himself up, has trolled media and fans. And pumps himself up in his own unique way before games and in workouts. Edelman does it too. Gronk as well. And some would argue that Brady has not been that impressive at QB the last couple of years and has rode a defense that has significantly improved over that time. People have a hard time with who Cam is, and ALL of the ways that he is different from Brady potentially being the new face of the Patriots.

Great you made that comparison.

I made the comparison of players that have sucked that have done the exact same thing while struggling to find a roster spot.

Maybe Cam sticks around, maybe not. Let's see how far it goes.

I think you're really grasping at straws trying to say Cam is in the same position as Brady or Edleman or Gronk have been over the past few years.

Captain_Caveman wrote:

SmartWentCrazy wrote:

Captain_Caveman wrote:
We just lost Scarnecchia, and Cam is going to take hits regardless. Also not even a great option for a quick release system. Not a good decision maker, and doesn't avoid negative plays. His best value was in his ability to extend plays long enough to make use of his arm, and his ability to run the ball. That involves taking hits.

Disagree— look at his first 8 games in 18 before he tore his rotator cuff: 1900 yards, 67% completion, 15-4 TD-Int ratio.

Also, after the failure to plan for life after Scar in 2014, I’m confident we’ll be better off this time.

Yeah, but also look at the other 3.5 seasons since his Super Bowl year. Odds he lasts the season producing as he did in those first 8 games of 2018 are minimal IMO, especially after logging multiple significant injuries since then. FWIW, schedule was pretty weak for those 8 games. Considering that they got Baltimore just before they switched to Lamar, the best team they played was probably the Cowboys in Week 1?

IMO, if he stays healthy, Cam is probably the 25-30th best QB at best. I think Stidham can do that too, without eating into next year's cap. And he has higher upside for the future.