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ConstableGeneva wrote:A few potential landing spots here for Hayward if he opts in and runs the length of his contract.

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Teams that think they're contenders (SAS, TOR)

and contenders on that list (DAL, LAL, MIA) would all love to pay Hayward more than we want to, and we will just as likely look a lot worse to him then others.

The real danger is him signing with the LAL for the MLE after they've won their second championship as the perfect 6th man for that team.

We can afford to lose ANOTHER max player on this team for NOTHING. Like we did with Irving and Horford.

We need to trade him to ensure this team doesn't fall off the cliff when Hayward leaves.

I'm even fine overpaying him to stay if we think that will help our ability to trade him.

I wouldn't bet on his body lasting in a significant way beyond 3 years from now though.

celticfan42487 wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:A few potential landing spots here for Hayward if he opts in and runs the length of his contract.

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Teams that think they're contenders (SAS, TOR)

and contenders on that list (DAL, LAL, MIA) would all love to pay Hayward more than we want to, and we will just as likely look a lot worse to him then others.

The real danger is him signing with the LAL for the MLE after they've won their second championship as the perfect 6th man for that team.

We can afford to lose ANOTHER max player on this team for NOTHING. Like we did with Irving and Horford.

We need to trade him to ensure this team doesn't fall off the cliff when Hayward leaves.

I'm even fine overpaying him to stay if we think that will help our ability to trade him.

I wouldn't bet on his body lasting in a significant way beyond 3 years from now though.

Fall off a cliff without Hayward?! He gave us 12/4/3 in the playoffs. I agree losing him and only having the MLE to replace him is not a good route to take but let’s not overstate things. He is not a top 4 talent on this team and you could argue Theis is more valuable due to fit.

jmr07019 wrote:

celticfan42487 wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:A few potential landing spots here for Hayward if he opts in and runs the length of his contract.

Teams that think they're contenders (SAS, TOR)

and contenders on that list (DAL, LAL, MIA) would all love to pay Hayward more than we want to, and we will just as likely look a lot worse to him then others.

The real danger is him signing with the LAL for the MLE after they've won their second championship as the perfect 6th man for that team.

We can afford to lose ANOTHER max player on this team for NOTHING. Like we did with Irving and Horford.

We need to trade him to ensure this team doesn't fall off the cliff when Hayward leaves.

I'm even fine overpaying him to stay if we think that will help our ability to trade him.

I wouldn't bet on his body lasting in a significant way beyond 3 years from now though.

Fall off a cliff without Hayward?! He gave us 12/4/3 in the playoffs. I agree losing him and only having the MLE to replace him is not a good route to take but let’s not overstate things. He is not a top 4 talent on this team and you could argue Theis is more valuable due to fit.

And yet we couldn't beat a zone defense without him so that alone gives him an argument for being more valuable than Theis or Smart.

That said, the important thing is to not lose that for nothing. He's a starter on this team, and last year before coming back about a month and a half early for injury in the playoffs was pretty clearly the 4th best player on the team.

We need to lock in at least better than a MLE player for him. Before his body is broken and he's just a John Wall contract on the books. I'm really concerned that could be as soon as the season after next and then he'll be untradable.

We need to at least get a good 6th man for him. Hell at this point I'll settle for a mid 20 something player locked in who is of the quality that Evan Turner was for us. Just someone we can keep around with this core as we look to get lucky in the draft (which is probably the only way we're going to get another great piece).

Smitty lays out the FA landscape, lists Gordon's options, and makes his prognostication with regards to Hayward's future.

“He loves mirror pics”

ConstableGeneva wrote:Dunno if this is an old pic (maybe before he returned to the bubble), but Gordo is in a boot. JackieMac did say he returned 2-3 weeks earlier than he should've. And I read somewhere there was nerve damage, but don't quote me on that.

I want to say Simmons brought that up on a podcast with Jackie a week or two ago. Was the first I heard of it, and he may have been conflating his two different ankle injuries, but he did say it nonetheless.

31to6 wrote:“He loves mirror pics”

yah that made me spit out my coffee this AM

Did the NBA move the opt out date from 15th to 17th of october?

BillTheGOAT wrote:Did the NBA move the opt out date from 15th to 17th of october?

Much later than October 17th. Still TBD. Likely to come after the draft (November 18) and before free agency starts (TBD). My GUESS is the week before Thanksgiving.

I wonder how much Hayward would get if he opted out and didn't mind signing with a lottery team. He'd be 2nd on this list.

SmartWentCrazy wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:Dunno if this is an old pic (maybe before he returned to the bubble), but Gordo is in a boot. JackieMac did say he returned 2-3 weeks earlier than he should've. And I read somewhere there was nerve damage, but don't quote me on that.

I want to say Simmons brought that up on a podcast with Jackie a week or two ago. Was the first I heard of it, and he may have been conflating his two different ankle injuries, but he did say it nonetheless.

He definitely trying to impregnate her again. lol .


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Zach Lowe from recent pod episode with Bobby Marks:

"The buzz that I'm hearing is like the smoke indicating that something is happening. I'm not sure what's up, but I don't think it's a lock that Gordon Hayward is on the Celtics next year. Whether that involves him opting out or whether that involves him opting in and Boston trading him... I don't know what's going to happen. The simplest solution remains he opts in and Boston really likes Gordon Hayward. They think he's a really important part of their team and says, "hey, you opted in, we're keeping you. We don't want to trade you for player X, Y, and Z." that we can go through now. That's still the simplest route. But something's mildly afoot here."

Marks sees Atlanta as a dark horse team that could sign Hayward to $100/4 yrs if he opts out. Lowe is saying Hawks are yearning to become a playoff team next season.

ConstableGeneva wrote:Zach Lowe from recent pod episode with Bobby Marks:

"The buzz that I'm hearing is like the smoke indicating that something is happening. I'm not sure what's up, but I don't think it's a lock that Gordon Hayward is on the Celtics next year. Whether that involves him opting out or whether that involves him opting in and Boston trading him... I don't know what's going to happen. The simplest solution remains he opts in and Boston really likes Gordon Hayward. They think he's a really important part of their team and says, "hey, you opted in, we're keeping you. We don't want to trade you for player X, Y, and Z." that we can go through now. That's still the simplest route. But something's mildly afoot here."

Marks sees Atlanta as a dark horse team that could sign Hayward to $100/4 yrs if he opts out. Lowe is saying Hawks are yearning to become a playoff team next season.

if he opts out I'd offer 4 year 100 m. Saves us 9m this year, depending on tax could keep us under it.

Darth Celtic wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:Zach Lowe from recent pod episode with Bobby Marks:

"The buzz that I'm hearing is like the smoke indicating that something is happening. I'm not sure what's up, but I don't think it's a lock that Gordon Hayward is on the Celtics next year. Whether that involves him opting out or whether that involves him opting in and Boston trading him... I don't know what's going to happen. The simplest solution remains he opts in and Boston really likes Gordon Hayward. They think he's a really important part of their team and says, "hey, you opted in, we're keeping you. We don't want to trade you for player X, Y, and Z." that we can go through now. That's still the simplest route. But something's mildly afoot here."

Marks sees Atlanta as a dark horse team that could sign Hayward to $100/4 yrs if he opts out. Lowe is saying Hawks are yearning to become a playoff team next season.

if he opts out I'd offer 4 year 100 m. Saves us 9m this year, depending on tax could keep us under it.

4 years $100 million is great for Hayward. His big salary this year is a problem. And with Covid, who knows the revenue in future years.

I am in, I got for $100 million and never look back. It isnt AAV that guys care about.

It is total money guaranteed. If he plays this year at 36M, he gets hurt, he’s just about done.

What happens if nba revenues continue to tank and there is no money? I would give up $9 million in one year to insure $75 million pay day over three years.

Especially with his injury history.


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jmr07019 wrote:

celticfan42487 wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:A few potential landing spots here for Hayward if he opts in and runs the length of his contract.

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Teams that think they're contenders (SAS, TOR)

and contenders on that list (DAL, LAL, MIA) would all love to pay Hayward more than we want to, and we will just as likely look a lot worse to him then others.

The real danger is him signing with the LAL for the MLE after they've won their second championship as the perfect 6th man for that team.

We can afford to lose ANOTHER max player on this team for NOTHING. Like we did with Irving and Horford.

We need to trade him to ensure this team doesn't fall off the cliff when Hayward leaves.

I'm even fine overpaying him to stay if we think that will help our ability to trade him.

I wouldn't bet on his body lasting in a significant way beyond 3 years from now though.

Fall off a cliff without Hayward?! He gave us 12/4/3 in the playoffs. I agree losing him and only having the MLE to replace him is not a good route to take but let’s not overstate things. He is not a top 4 talent on this team and you could argue Theis is more valuable due to fit.

he is without a doubt the second most talented player on the team. Hopefully he gets traded so he doesn't have to play 4th fiddle behind inferior talents.

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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This is a really good point in the current landscape.

Normally, it would be easy to just say, if he can do better than 3/66 next offseason, then he would turn down 4/100 right now. The math isn't quite that simple though. He ends up with more money taking 4/100 now over opting in and then landing 3/66 next year.

100 doesn't equal 100

grindtime22 wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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This is a really good point in the current landscape.

Normally, it would be easy to just say, if he can do better than 3/66 next offseason, then he would turn down 4/100 right now. The math isn't quite that simple though. He ends up with more money taking 4/100 now over opting in and then landing 3/66 next year.

100 doesn't equal 100

yeah, good article. And Boston paying him more than his "worth" over that 4 year time because it still saves us more money avoiding tax land for this year and the repeater tax is big too. Pushing the cost down the line to where we lose less money and he makes more. Win win.

Darth Celtic wrote:

grindtime22 wrote:

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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This is a really good point in the current landscape.

Normally, it would be easy to just say, if he can do better than 3/66 next offseason, then he would turn down 4/100 right now. The math isn't quite that simple though. He ends up with more money taking 4/100 now over opting in and then landing 3/66 next year.

100 doesn't equal 100

yeah, good article. And Boston paying him more than his "worth" over that 4 year time because it still saves us more money avoiding tax land for this year and the repeater tax is big too. Pushing the cost down the line to where we lose less money and he makes more. Win win.

I'm not sure Hayward is worth $25mm a year, at least on this team. That's a tough decision to match that. I think Danny would let him walk..

JHTruth wrote:

Darth Celtic wrote:

grindtime22 wrote:
This is a really good point in the current landscape.

Normally, it would be easy to just say, if he can do better than 3/66 next offseason, then he would turn down 4/100 right now. The math isn't quite that simple though. He ends up with more money taking 4/100 now over opting in and then landing 3/66 next year.

100 doesn't equal 100

yeah, good article. And Boston paying him more than his "worth" over that 4 year time because it still saves us more money avoiding tax land for this year and the repeater tax is big too. Pushing the cost down the line to where we lose less money and he makes more. Win win.

I'm not sure Hayward is worth $25mm a year, at least on this team. That's a tough decision to match that. I think Danny would let him walk..

For free? -- I doubt that.
Danny probably ends up Trading Hayward.