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2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#541 » by Spin Move » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:33 pm

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Post#542 » by threrf23 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:12 pm

Does this Vassell fiasco mean he slips to 14? I like him for his instincts, intangibles, and defensive ability. Could care less if he has altered his form, either he has a good reason or he can revert back later.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#543 » by DoubleHappiness » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:36 pm

Haliburton is a perfect backup point guard. He would not be able to be the focal point in Brad's offense. I have been wrong on almost every single Celtics' draft eval though so...

He lacks the ability to create his own shot consistently. He'd be more like a Marcus Smart type playing well in the PnR, but lacking the speed of a Kemba or healthy IT type to have the option to take it directly to the bucket. I watched him a lot at Iowa State and would still love him on the Celtics, but I think his ceiling is 4th best player on a title team.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#544 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:43 pm

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#545 » by HondoFave » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:02 pm

Although been a fan since mid 60's - I am not a great evaluator of talent. Having said that - I saw Jalen Smith play a few times and he looks really good. Why not him at 14? Feedback will be appreciated.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#546 » by captain green » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:50 pm

HondoFave wrote:Although been a fan since mid 60's - I am not a great evaluator of talent. Having said that - I saw Jalen Smith play a few times and he looks really good. Why not him at 14? Feedback will be appreciated.

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https://www.thestepien.com/2020/03/11/jalen-smith-scouting-report/
Depending on who drops could do alot worse not my favorite but I've seen him higher on boards and not much lower than 20
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#547 » by HondoFave » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:20 pm

thx, Capt Green - very useful info
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#548 » by playa-hater » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:05 am

HondoFave wrote:Although been a fan since mid 60's - I am not a great evaluator of talent. Having said that - I saw Jalen Smith play a few times and he looks really good. Why not him at 14? Feedback will be appreciated.

Thx.


He is also in my top 5 or 6 players at 14. Why I like him.. shotblocker who has potential to pick and pop 3s while also rolling to the rim and dunks..

But concern is he has very skinny legs and may get pushed around on rebounds..

simple for me is that I would be fine with him at 14 just like a few players it more.

No order, S Bey, Nesmith, Vassell (maybe) and P Williams.. possibly Precious if he shows some shooting ability.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#549 » by captain green » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:25 am

Ok we talked alot about who we like list 3 player you absolutely do not want on this roster.
1 Nico mannion
2 Lewis Jr
3 Cole Anthony
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#550 » by JHTruth » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:00 am

DoubleHappiness wrote:Haliburton is a perfect backup point guard. He would not be able to be the focal point in Brad's offense. I have been wrong on almost every single Celtics' draft eval though so...

He lacks the ability to create his own shot consistently. He'd be more like a Marcus Smart type playing well in the PnR, but lacking the speed of a Kemba or healthy IT type to have the option to take it directly to the bucket. I watched him a lot at Iowa State and would still love him on the Celtics, but I think his ceiling is 4th best player on a title team.


Question is with Tatum becoming the lead ballhandler on our squad a score-first PG like Kemba or IT doesnt make as much sense. You need a guy who can play off-ball effectively as well as handle. That's a perfect role for Hali.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#551 » by snowman » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:21 am

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DoubleHappiness wrote:Haliburton is a perfect backup point guard. He would not be able to be the focal point in Brad's offense. I have been wrong on almost every single Celtics' draft eval though so...

He lacks the ability to create his own shot consistently. He'd be more like a Marcus Smart type playing well in the PnR, but lacking the speed of a Kemba or healthy IT type to have the option to take it directly to the bucket. I watched him a lot at Iowa State and would still love him on the Celtics, but I think his ceiling is 4th best player on a title team.


Question is with Tatum becoming the lead ballhandler on our squad a score-first PG like Kemba or IT doesnt make as much sense. You need a guy who can play off-ball effectively as well as handle. That's a perfect role for Hali.


That is a perfect role for Saddiq Bey, a 45% 3 pt shooter on over 5 attempts per game. 6'8 215, same size, but a bit more muscular as Tatum. I've seem so many names brought up in this thread, followed by "if he can just develop his shot" or "if he can just hit his 3's"
I am so tired of shooting guards and small forwards being drafted that can't shoot the friggin' ball. Let's draft someone that already has a NBA skill in shooting the ball. This guy is not a 3 pt threat, this guy actually makes them. This is who we need at 14.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#552 » by snowman » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:28 am

captain green wrote:Ok we talked alot about who we like list 3 player you absolutely do not want on this roster.
1 Nico mannion
2 Lewis Jr
3 Cole Anthony


1) Any point guard under 6'2
2) Any "big" under 6'9
3) Any SG or SF that shot under 30% on 3's or under 75% on FT's last year.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#553 » by winsomme2 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:36 am

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winsomme2 wrote:How about this combo?

14 - Precious Achiuwa
26 - Tyler Bey
30 - Payton Pritchard


while I like each individual, I don't like the pairing of 2 hybrid defenders that can't shoot well at 14 and 26


That's a solid criticism.

I'm just tying to play around with different combos to see how they sit in my mind.

I am starting to warm up to Pritchard in the first round. I struggle with both Tyler Bey and Achiuwa but I think both are going to contribute right away as impactful defenders.

I would like all three of these guys on our team. I just also think there are other players I would like more. so hard to know right now.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#554 » by playa-hater » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:51 am

captain green wrote:Ok we talked alot about who we like list 3 player you absolutely do not want on this roster.
1 Nico mannion
2 Lewis Jr
3 Cole Anthony


I like K Lewis, hate the other 2.

Bolmaro would be high on my hate list. no jump shot an too not ready overall.
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Post#555 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:00 am

The obvious comparison for Killian Tillie is Kelly Olynyk. Same general category of player, by which I mean smart, unathletic big who shoots well. Same college. Same ... well, CHL would probably like him. ;)

Frankly, he sounds like he could be the better of the two.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/03/30/killian-tillie-scouting-report/
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#556 » by Spin Move » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:04 am

I am changing my answer from Precious to Jalen at 14, idk if Precious can develp a jumper. I think Smith can Defend. Also in hot take land I like Tyler Bey at 26 or 30 much more then I like Saddiq Bey at 14
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#557 » by Spin Move » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:07 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:The obvious comparison for Killian Tillie is Kelly Olynyk. Same general category of player, by which I mean smart, unathletic big who shoots well. Same college. Same ... well, CHL would probably like him. ;)

Frankly, he sounds like he could be the better of the two.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/03/30/killian-tillie-scouting-report/


Tilllie is Broken, he is to slow to defend the PR and not athletic enough to block shots, you don't waste a 1st rounder on a guy with his medical red flags and lack of ability to defend.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#558 » by 100proof » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:36 am

DoubleHappiness wrote:Haliburton is a perfect backup point guard. He would not be able to be the focal point in Brad's offense. I have been wrong on almost every single Celtics' draft eval though so...

He lacks the ability to create his own shot consistently. He'd be more like a Marcus Smart type playing well in the PnR, but lacking the speed of a Kemba or healthy IT type to have the option to take it directly to the bucket. I watched him a lot at Iowa State and would still love him on the Celtics, but I think his ceiling is 4th best player on a title team.



He is Malcom brogdon imo.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#559 » by winsomme2 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:12 am

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JHTruth wrote:
DoubleHappiness wrote:Haliburton is a perfect backup point guard. He would not be able to be the focal point in Brad's offense. I have been wrong on almost every single Celtics' draft eval though so...

He lacks the ability to create his own shot consistently. He'd be more like a Marcus Smart type playing well in the PnR, but lacking the speed of a Kemba or healthy IT type to have the option to take it directly to the bucket. I watched him a lot at Iowa State and would still love him on the Celtics, but I think his ceiling is 4th best player on a title team.


Question is with Tatum becoming the lead ballhandler on our squad a score-first PG like Kemba or IT doesnt make as much sense. You need a guy who can play off-ball effectively as well as handle. That's a perfect role for Hali.


That is a perfect role for Saddiq Bey, a 45% 3 pt shooter on over 5 attempts per game. 6'8 215, same size, but a bit more muscular as Tatum. I've seem so many names brought up in this thread, followed by "if he can just develop his shot" or "if he can just hit his 3's"
I am so tired of shooting guards and small forwards being drafted that can't shoot the friggin' ball. Let's draft someone that already has a NBA skill in shooting the ball. This guy is not a 3 pt threat, this guy actually makes them. This is who we need at 14.


I largely agree with this. We are a team that shoots TONS of 3s, yet we don't actually have any snipers. All of our best outside shooters are streaky at best. And that's why we often go into huge offensive slumps in games and blow 15, 20 point leads.

Having some players that ALREADY are excellent shooters and don't need to BECOME good shooters is an important need in this offseason.

I'd love for that to be filled in FA or via trade, but the draft is an important piece of that as well.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#560 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:01 pm

snowman wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
DoubleHappiness wrote:Haliburton is a perfect backup point guard. He would not be able to be the focal point in Brad's offense. I have been wrong on almost every single Celtics' draft eval though so...

He lacks the ability to create his own shot consistently. He'd be more like a Marcus Smart type playing well in the PnR, but lacking the speed of a Kemba or healthy IT type to have the option to take it directly to the bucket. I watched him a lot at Iowa State and would still love him on the Celtics, but I think his ceiling is 4th best player on a title team.


Question is with Tatum becoming the lead ballhandler on our squad a score-first PG like Kemba or IT doesnt make as much sense. You need a guy who can play off-ball effectively as well as handle. That's a perfect role for Hali.


That is a perfect role for Saddiq Bey, a 45% 3 pt shooter on over 5 attempts per game. 6'8 215, same size, but a bit more muscular as Tatum. I've seem so many names brought up in this thread, followed by "if he can just develop his shot" or "if he can just hit his 3's"
I am so tired of shooting guards and small forwards being drafted that can't shoot the friggin' ball. Let's draft someone that already has a NBA skill in shooting the ball. This guy is not a 3 pt threat, this guy actually makes them. This is who we need at 14.


Saddiq Bey shot 45% last year, but he’s not that kind of shooter. His release is painfully slow and I’m worried he will struggle to do anything other than shoot completely wide open 3’s.

He’s similar to Crowder overall, with Bey instead being more apt at switching down to guards while Crowder was more apt at switching up to bigs.

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