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ddb wrote:

darrendaye wrote:

ddb wrote:I thought it was worth reminding everyone on here that not only did Nesmith shoot over 50% from 3pt in 14 games this past season as a sophomore, but in a full collegiate season as a freshman he shot .475%. So this whole abbreviated shooting narrative isn't accurate. The kid can flat out shoot.

I liked the pick, but this isn't accurate. The 47.5% was his 2pt shot rate, he shot 33.7% from 3 his freshman year.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aaron-nesmith-1.html

O damn you're right. I slipped on that one.

Vandy was absolutely terrible his Freshman year. 0-18 in the SEC I believe. His percentages weren't great, but neither were the looks he was getting. He still stood out as a shooter big time the couple of times I watched him.

If he'd stayed healthy for conference play, those numbers would have come back to earth again.

All that said, make no mistake about it, kid can shoot the rock with anybody.

Wasn't my top choice, but still a very good to great pickup imo

I hope his new teammates call him 52%, has a nice ring to it.

Solid highlight, highlight per game he played. He keeps an average Vanderbilt team in the game. Has the abbility to erase a big deficit with his 3 point shot. His driving towards the rim is a huge plus as well. He could be a huge spark off the bench and perhaps we'll finally have a secondary player who can change the game for us instantly when the starters are having a bad game.

I haven't gone back to check if anyone had posted this video previously, but if so, my apologies. I'm posting it because it shows that in addition to being a great prospect who brings a needed skill to the Celtics, it shows that Aaron is also a very thoughtful, smart, and well-spoken young man. Big plus in my book. No need to watch the entire video, as it is a bit repetitive (reporters asking if he had touched base with the team they cover, and if so, what he might bring to their team).

He's an excellent shooter (still small sample size) but trust me, he can't put the ball on the floor to save his life right now.

big-shot-ROB wrote:He's an excellent shooter (still small sample size) but trust me, he can't put the ball on the floor to save his life right now.

has limited to zero upside as a creator, was pretty much spoon fed shots from scottie pippens son ( the real creator on that team). What i'm looking for is if he can increase the versatility of his shot making ; the pump fake side step threes, or just a quicker and higher release in general. Also maybe he turns into a plus defender, but its clear ainge focused in on a guy with a high floor ready to contribute...which is a strange philosophy for a lotto pick.

Zombiesonics wrote:

big-shot-ROB wrote:He's an excellent shooter (still small sample size) but trust me, he can't put the ball on the floor to save his life right now.

has limited to zero upside as a creator, was pretty much spoon fed shots from scottie pippens son ( the real creator on that team). What i'm looking for is if he can increase the versatility of his shot making ; the pump fake side step threes, or just a quicker and higher release in general. Also maybe he turns into a plus defender, but its clear ainge focused in on a guy with a high floor ready to contribute...which is a strange philosophy for a lotto pick.

Good thing we don't need a shot creator on this team, have plenty. Easily have 4 guys already who can create their own shot or shots for others.

Granted I'm only basing this on the 30 minutes worth of footage I watched since draft night but I recall he actually had pump fake sidestep threes in his repertoire. Small sample size, obviously. Mike Schmidt went over this exact point with him in the virtual review they did together.

Zombiesonics wrote:

big-shot-ROB wrote:He's an excellent shooter (still small sample size) but trust me, he can't put the ball on the floor to save his life right now.

has limited to zero upside as a creator, was pretty much spoon fed shots from scottie pippens son ( the real creator on that team). What i'm looking for is if he can increase the versatility of his shot making ; the pump fake side step threes, or just a quicker and higher release in general. Also maybe he turns into a plus defender, but its clear ainge focused in on a guy with a high floor ready to contribute...which is a strange philosophy for a lotto pick.

14th pick in what everyone was calling a weak draft on a team with plenty of shot creation. I at least see the rationale.

Players don't get drafted into a vacuum, they need opportunity to develop. He's got a ready-made role on this team from day one, which a lesser shooter but superior creator may not have had.

I don't know near enough about him to really evaluate him, but I think the shape of it at least makes some kind of sense.

Also, I do think fans tend to overestimate the quality of talent available at given picks. If you haven't done it lately, go back through the last 10-15 drafts at some point and look at all the players who were taken 10th, 14th, 20th, etc.

It's pretty damned sobering. Really only a couple of guys who are worth a damn from any given draft, and any given draft slot.

Nailing a star in the top 3 is hard enough. I'm honestly not convinced that star hunting is always the optimal strategy at every spot in the first round. Your odds just suck.

CavemanDoctor wrote:Good thing we don't need a shot creator on this team, have plenty. Easily have 4 guys already who can create their own shot or shots for others.

Granted I'm only basing this on the 30 minutes worth of footage I watched since draft night but I recall he actually had pump fake sidestep threes in his repertoire. Small sample size, obviously. Mike Schmidt went over this exact point with him in the virtual review they did together.

I didn't mean 'playmaker', but someone who can create shots under duress that isn't just an open catch n shoot or coming off a pin down. You wouldn't mind herro on this team right? He was a much more versatile shot creator coming out of kentucky than nesmith is for sure. When a team scouts you, those open shots he has plenty of tape on will be hard to come by. Thats all I meant by the post, and have been on record here on this board pre draft saying nesmith upside is quite low compared to other options in the teens.

SMTBSI wrote:Players don't get drafted into a vacuum, they need opportunity to develop. He's got a ready-made role on this team from day one, which a lesser shooter but superior creator may not have had.

I don't know near enough about him to really evaluate him, but I think the shape of it at least makes some kind of sense.

I agree. I mean the fit is good, a potential shamet like piece to help space the floor. Just my personal philosophy dictates wanting Ainge to be aggressive moving up a few slots and to swing a bit. Like many others in the celtics blogosphere, I would have preferred he just grab Bane at 26 as a shooting specialist.

Zombiesonics wrote:

CavemanDoctor wrote:Good thing we don't need a shot creator on this team, have plenty. Easily have 4 guys already who can create their own shot or shots for others.

Granted I'm only basing this on the 30 minutes worth of footage I watched since draft night but I recall he actually had pump fake sidestep threes in his repertoire. Small sample size, obviously. Mike Schmidt went over this exact point with him in the virtual review they did together.

I didn't mean 'playmaker', but someone who can create shots under duress that isn't just an open catch n shoot or coming off a pin down. You wouldn't mind herro on this team right? He was a much more versatile shot creator coming out of kentucky than nesmith is for sure. When a team scouts you, those open shots he has plenty of tape on will be hard to come by. Thats all I meant by the post, and have been on record here on this board pre draft saying nesmith upside is quite low compared to other options in the teens.

Nesmith's role on this team is to be more of a Duncan Robinson than a Tyler Herro.

How come running of screens and relocating to soft spots doesn't count as "shot creation"?

As a sophomore, through 12 games of non-conference play, guy shot 57% from 3. (edit - 53%, a little more than 4 shots per game)

Oh wait - that's Desmond Bane.

52% on 8 attempts is obviously more impressive. I just wanted to point that out. Nesmith clearly has higher upside and I haven't been down on him so much as unsure what to make of him.

VeryMuchWoke wrote:How come running of screens and relocating to soft spots doesn't count as "shot creation"?

Cmon man, shot creation is this: ;noapp=1

VeryMuchWoke wrote:How come running of screens and relocating to soft spots doesn't count as "shot creation"?

Generally you need someone with the ball to create those opportunities. Coming off a screen often requires at least some ball movement and passing, and soft spots only open up once a ball handler has broken down the defense and forced the attention away from the initial defensive set.

You guys got a good one. Potential starter for the next decade with J&J. Seamless fit. Should be in the rotation from day 1 IMO

TheBounceIsReal wrote:

VeryMuchWoke wrote:How come running of screens and relocating to soft spots doesn't count as "shot creation"?

Generally you need someone with the ball to create those opportunities. Coming off a screen often requires at least some ball movement and passing, and soft spots only open up once a ball handler has broken down the defense and forced the attention away from the initial defensive set.

It was a rhetorical question.

Think I found my comp for him - Allan Houston. Not a playmaker, but a really nice shooter, good length, solid but unspectacular defender.

Gomes3PC wrote:Think I found my comp for him - Allan Houston. Not a playmaker, but a really nice shooter, good length, solid but unspectacular defender.

Jerry Stackhouse his coach made the same comparison a few days ago