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Re: Odds of robert williams breaking out 

Post#61 » by 31to6 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:45 am

I’m still tantalized all these years later:)
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Post#62 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:33 am

The most valuable thing the Timelord does probably never shows up in the box score. He intimidates shooters. You can see guys hesitating or altering the trajectory of their shots when he's in the vicinity. I love to see a stat on opponents' shooting percentages (especially from from inside the arc) when he's in the game as opposed to when he is not.
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Post#64 » by thebirdman » Wed Jan 6, 2021 7:27 am

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Found this on the general board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2037351

Williams looking good among 3rd year players...
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Post#65 » by RodyTur10 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:12 pm

Nice graphic. Robert Williams was seen as a lottery talent that fell in the draft and he's showing that he is indeed a lottery talent.
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Post#66 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:57 pm

7 games in and this is exactly what I wanted to see out of Williams:

1. He's healthy
2. He's consistently getting 15-20 MPG
3. He is showing meaningful improvement on defense - his foul rate has been cut nearly in half, but his blocks/steals are still elite
4. He is hitting his FTs - very SSS but 4/5 from the line so far is encouraging

Across the board, it looks like the consistent minutes are paying off - FG%, rebound rate, steal rate, block rate, foul rate are all better. He has made a few turnovers but I think that will even out, and I can live with those mistakes if he is as active as he has been.

Is this a true breakout? Not sure. I would like to see him string 30 healthy games together, and I'd also like to see him earn Brad's trust for some crunch time minutes - mostly he's getting time in the 2nd/3rd quarter and in blowouts. But this is all super encouraging and he's the one young guy who IMO has fully taken advantage of the minutes he has gotten.
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Post#67 » by 24istheLAW » Wed Jan 6, 2021 2:51 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:7 games in and this is exactly what I wanted to see out of Williams:

1. He's healthy
2. He's consistently getting 15-20 MPG
3. He is showing meaningful improvement on defense - his foul rate has been cut nearly in half, but his blocks/steals are still elite
4. He is hitting his FTs - very SSS but 4/5 from the line so far is encouraging

Across the board, it looks like the consistent minutes are paying off - FG%, rebound rate, steal rate, block rate, foul rate are all better. He has made a few turnovers but I think that will even out, and I can live with those mistakes if he is as active as he has been.

Is this a true breakout? Not sure. I would like to see him string 30 healthy games together, and I'd also like to see him earn Brad's trust for some crunch time minutes - mostly he's getting time in the 2nd/3rd quarter and in blowouts. But this is all super encouraging and he's the one young guy who IMO has fully taken advantage of the minutes he has gotten.


Well said. "Breaking out" is a vague target, but this has been the best-case scenario with him so far.
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Re: Odds of robert williams breaking out 

Post#68 » by 31to6 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:04 pm

thebirdman wrote:Image

Found this on the general board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2037351

Williams looking good among 3rd year players...


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Post#69 » by thomas1897 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:59 pm

My view of Robert Williams is. He brings back memories of Clifford Ray and Harvey Catchings. Both of these plays were role plays that set the defense for the teams. Robert Williams does that very well. The larger version is Tacko Fall he brings good length and better offensive skills but still is a work in progress. The big question is can Robert Williams get better offensively.
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Post#70 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:05 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:The most valuable thing the Timelord does probably never shows up in the box score. He intimidates shooters. You can see guys hesitating or altering the trajectory of their shots when he's in the vicinity. I love to see a stat on opponents' shooting percentages (especially from from inside the arc) when he's in the game as opposed to when he is not.


Opp. FG% Less than 5 Ft.
RW - 65%
Theis - 65.3%
TT - 69.1%

5 to 9 Ft
RW - 33.3%
Theis - 29.6%
TT - 21.4%

10 to 14 Ft
RW - 37.5%
Theis - 34.8%
TT - 47.1%

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Post#71 » by GWVan » Wed Jan 6, 2021 7:01 pm

thebirdman wrote:Image

Found this on the general board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2037351

Williams looking good among 3rd year players...


Another good look from a franchise that 'can't draft'
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Post#72 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:13 am

SOME things may get harder for Williams when he gets more respect. E.g., he owes this basket to really stupid defense, in which two defenders rotated off of or past him when the right number would have been one.

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Post#73 » by GWVan » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:26 pm

It's time to start Timelord

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Centers
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
1 Nikola Jokic, DEN 11 35 0.663 31.7 12.7 30.5 8.8 27.8 18.4 31.1 117.8 3.9
2 Joel Embiid, PHI 10 32 0.662 11.7 12.1 29.7 6.2 31.7 19.7 29.93 92.3 3.1
3 Enes Kanter, POR 10 19.1 0.708 4.3 9.8 18.5 19.6 31.9 25.7 27.73 48.8 1.6
4 Nikola Vucevic, ORL 11 31.5 0.589 14.5 5 27.4 7.1 31.4 18.6 27.11 85.3 2.8
5 Karl-Anthony Towns, MIN 3 32.3 0.589 18.3 11.8 27.4 12.5 28 19.8 26.64 23.2 0.8
6 Robert Williams III, BOS 8 16.4 0.792 10 22 14.3 16.7 27.7 22.1 26.15 30.4 1
7 Christian Wood, HOU 8 32.9 0.587 5.7 6.8 25.6 6.6 24.6 15.7 22.69 47.5 1.6
8 Bam Adebayo, MIA 8 30.4 0.693 23.9 16.1 23 4.4 26.3 16.1 22.29 42.4 1.4
9 Richaun Holmes, SAC 10 28.1 0.709 13.7 11.3 15.9 11.3 19.1 15.1 21.59 46.1 1.5
10 Jarrett Allen, BKN 12 26.7 0.73 14.9 16.4 14.7 13.3 26.7 20.4 21.45 51.8 1.7
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Re: Odds of robert williams breaking out 

Post#74 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:17 pm

I do wonder if his energy would fade playing 25+ MPG, but I certainly think it is warranted to give him a chance for 20+ after how he has played in the first 10 games of the year. The clearest path to a step-function improvement in this team is seeing Williams blossom into a anchor at the center spot.

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