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Re: Welcome to Boston, Evan Fournier! 

Post#161 » by Hal14 » Tue May 4, 2021 7:36 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter


I'm glad it sounds like he's still really happy to be here, they could use him back next season.

I hope they bring him back too.

He's shown that he can score in high volume, with high efficiency. Knock down shooter, spaces the floor which is super important in the modern NBA. A guy who's a veteran (not some young baby development project like so many other guys on the team) but still has a good 3 years left of his prime (which coincide with 3 early prime years for Tatum and Brown). Fournier isn't just a 3 point specialist by any means, he can score in a variety of ways, in transition, driving into the lane, spin move and hit floater, good mid range game, can beat his man off the dribble. Has shown some good hustle on D, has been solid at creating offense for others.

He's the kind of guy who would fit in on pretty much any team in the modern NBA.
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Post#162 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 4, 2021 7:59 pm

Read on Twitter

This can only be interpreted as "I'm leading the Boston Celtics to the NBA Finals as a 9th seed."
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Post#163 » by Hal14 » Tue May 4, 2021 8:23 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

This can only be interpreted as "I'm leading the Boston Celtics to the NBA Finals as a 9th seed."

haha yes! That's the spirit!

Either that, or "staying in orlando with the warm weather, where he is the no. 2 option on offense so the ball is in his hands a lot and he can get up lots of shots and keep playing for the team he's been on for the past 6.5 years which is comfortable = the path of least resistance but you abandon that path because even though change is scary, change is necessary in order for growth to occur and in this case, it's necessary in order to be part of a team with a much better shot at competing for a championship"

Or something.. :)
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Post#164 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 4, 2021 8:27 pm

Still no rumors about an extension discussion?
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Post#165 » by Hal14 » Tue May 4, 2021 8:43 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Still no rumors about an extension discussion?

I assume Ainge is done making any type of moves or even discussing moves until either the celtics win the 2021 NBA title or get eliminated from the 2021 playoffs.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Evan Fournier! 

Post#166 » by cloverleaf » Tue May 4, 2021 9:01 pm

Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter


I'm glad it sounds like he's still really happy to be here, they could use him back next season.

I hope they bring him back too.

He's shown that he can score in high volume, with high efficiency. Knock down shooter, spaces the floor which is super important in the modern NBA. A guy who's a veteran (not some young baby development project like so many other guys on the team) but still has a good 3 years left of his prime (which coincide with 3 early prime years for Tatum and Brown). Fournier isn't just a 3 point specialist by any means, he can score in a variety of ways, in transition, driving into the lane, spin move and hit floater, good mid range game, can beat his man off the dribble. Has shown some good hustle on D, has been solid at creating offense for others.

He's the kind of guy who would fit in on pretty much any team in the modern NBA.


Yep, he's also a mature and respected vet without the worst habits of the Jays.
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Post#167 » by playa-hater » Wed May 5, 2021 2:19 am

I like Fournier (when healthy for sure) and for the right price would like him to return. But is it possible that the emergence of my "mr I told you so" (Nesmith if you been sleeping :D ) plus a desire to get Romeo (I think/hope) more acclimated in Boston's rotation next year mean Fournier is a luxury at best but no longer a need (for his potential contract)

Of course much may depend on if/what Boston does with Kemba this summer

Or have we given up any hope that Romeo will be good enough, at shooting, down the road.

(shooting and switching are my top priorities for winning BB)
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Post#168 » by Crash2k18 » Wed May 5, 2021 8:19 am

cloverleaf wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
I'm glad it sounds like he's still really happy to be here, they could use him back next season.

I hope they bring him back too.

He's shown that he can score in high volume, with high efficiency. Knock down shooter, spaces the floor which is super important in the modern NBA. A guy who's a veteran (not some young baby development project like so many other guys on the team) but still has a good 3 years left of his prime (which coincide with 3 early prime years for Tatum and Brown). Fournier isn't just a 3 point specialist by any means, he can score in a variety of ways, in transition, driving into the lane, spin move and hit floater, good mid range game, can beat his man off the dribble. Has shown some good hustle on D, has been solid at creating offense for others.

He's the kind of guy who would fit in on pretty much any team in the modern NBA.


Yep, he's also a mature and respected vet without the worst habits of the Jays.

What are the worst habits of the Jays?
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Post#169 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed May 5, 2021 10:19 am

playa-hater wrote:I like Fournier (when healthy for sure) and for the right price would like him to return. But is it possible that the emergence of my "mr I told you so" (Nesmith if you been sleeping :D ) plus a desire to get Romeo (I think/hope) more acclimated in Boston's rotation next year mean Fournier is a luxury at best but no longer a need (for his potential contract)

Of course much may depend on if/what Boston does with Kemba this summer

Or have we given up any hope that Romeo will be good enough, at shooting, down the road.

(shooting and switching are my top priorities for winning BB)


We basically have 7 guys who've made it into the perimeter rotation, plus Romeo as a prospect. We need enough of them to share 4*48 = 192 minutes, even in the face of injuries, notwithstanding that Brad would be happy to play a bigger 4 much of the time instead of relying solely on the Jays et al. If we have 8 guys to split up those minutes, then usually 6 will be healthy. If we have only 7, that's probably OK to squeeze by most of the time. Fewer would amount to serious roster thinness.
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Post#170 » by cloverleaf » Wed May 5, 2021 12:00 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

This can only be interpreted as "I'm leading the Boston Celtics to the NBA Finals as a 9th seed."


Or, "I've been here long enough to figure out how this team has been going through the season and I want it to stop!"
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Post#171 » by cloverleaf » Wed May 5, 2021 12:03 pm

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playa-hater wrote:I like Fournier (when healthy for sure) and for the right price would like him to return. But is it possible that the emergence of my "mr I told you so" (Nesmith if you been sleeping :D ) plus a desire to get Romeo (I think/hope) more acclimated in Boston's rotation next year mean Fournier is a luxury at best but no longer a need (for his potential contract)

Of course much may depend on if/what Boston does with Kemba this summer

Or have we given up any hope that Romeo will be good enough, at shooting, down the road.

(shooting and switching are my top priorities for winning BB)


We basically have 7 guys who've made it into the perimeter rotation, plus Romeo as a prospect. We need enough of them to share 4*48 = 192 minutes, even in the face of injuries, notwithstanding that Brad would be happy to play a bigger 4 much of the time instead of relying solely on the Jays et al. If we have 8 guys to split up those minutes, then usually 6 will be healthy. If we have only 7, that's probably OK to squeeze by most of the time. Fewer would amount to serious roster thinness.


Looks to me like they've got a solid 9 at this point: the starts plus EF, PP, TT and AN. Sure, Brad will pull from the deeper bench from time to time too.

But at this point they first need to secure even their spot in the play-in.
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Post#172 » by cloverleaf » Wed May 5, 2021 12:04 pm

Crash2k18 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Hal14 wrote:I hope they bring him back too.

He's shown that he can score in high volume, with high efficiency. Knock down shooter, spaces the floor which is super important in the modern NBA. A guy who's a veteran (not some young baby development project like so many other guys on the team) but still has a good 3 years left of his prime (which coincide with 3 early prime years for Tatum and Brown). Fournier isn't just a 3 point specialist by any means, he can score in a variety of ways, in transition, driving into the lane, spin move and hit floater, good mid range game, can beat his man off the dribble. Has shown some good hustle on D, has been solid at creating offense for others.

He's the kind of guy who would fit in on pretty much any team in the modern NBA.


Yep, he's also a mature and respected vet without the worst habits of the Jays.

What are the worst habits of the Jays?


Dribble, dribble, dribble, shooting for mine even if in traffic for a bad shot, even if it leads to a turnover, even though I must have had teammates open because I had three defenders closing on me.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Evan Fournier! 

Post#173 » by Hal14 » Wed May 5, 2021 1:57 pm

playa-hater wrote:I like Fournier (when healthy for sure) and for the right price would like him to return. But is it possible that the emergence of my "mr I told you so" (Nesmith if you been sleeping :D ) plus a desire to get Romeo (I think/hope) more acclimated in Boston's rotation next year mean Fournier is a luxury at best but no longer a need (for his potential contract)

Of course much may depend on if/what Boston does with Kemba this summer

Or have we given up any hope that Romeo will be good enough, at shooting, down the road.

(shooting and switching are my top priorities for winning BB)

It's a fair question to ask. If we run it back with Kemba/Smart/Pritchard/Langford/Fournier/Brown/Tatum/Nesmith are there enough minutes and shots to go around? Especially if you're going to pay up and pay what other teams are going to be willing to pay Fournier (probably $18-$20 mil for 3 years) does it make sense to give him that kind of $ when you have all of these other guys out on the perimeter all fighting for mins, all fighting for shots and you have Nesmith emerging and Langford with the potential to break out?

On one hand, I feel like this season with all of the injuries has shown us that you need the depth to compete so bring them all back. On the other hand, I think it's just not realistic to bring them all back, someone has to go, we'll see..
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Post#174 » by Trilogy25 » Sun May 9, 2021 8:07 pm

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Post#175 » by CelticsLV » Mon May 10, 2021 6:03 am

Getting him for 2 second rounders was a robbery but you can already say bb to Fournier. Plenty of teams with cap space out there while Celtics will be flirting with tax line even without Fournier...
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Post#176 » by Spin Move » Mon May 10, 2021 6:26 am

Without a doubt if you can resign him for like 20 million a year you do it, the issue is someone else might try to overpay him creating a dilemma. Even if he is not in the long term plan at that contract he is a movable asset and we only have a couple of those

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Post#177 » by thebirdman » Mon May 10, 2021 7:04 am

Do not see him resigning here. It is a toxic situtation it seems. Horford wanted out, Kyre, Hayward...

Just does not look like guys enjoy playing for Brad anymore...
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Post#178 » by Parliament10 » Mon May 10, 2021 8:22 am

Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I like Fournier (when healthy for sure) and for the right price would like him to return. But is it possible that the emergence of my "mr I told you so" (Nesmith if you been sleeping :D ) plus a desire to get Romeo (I think/hope) more acclimated in Boston's rotation next year mean Fournier is a luxury at best but no longer a need (for his potential contract)

Of course much may depend on if/what Boston does with Kemba this summer

Or have we given up any hope that Romeo will be good enough, at shooting, down the road.

(shooting and switching are my top priorities for winning BB)

It's a fair question to ask. If we run it back with Kemba/Smart/Pritchard/Langford/Fournier/Brown/Tatum/Nesmith are there enough minutes and shots to go around? Especially if you're going to pay up and pay what other teams are going to be willing to pay Fournier (probably $18-$20 mil for 3 years) does it make sense to give him that kind of $ when you have all of these other guys out on the perimeter all fighting for mins, all fighting for shots and you have Nesmith emerging and Langford with the potential to break out?

On one hand, I feel like this season with all of the injuries has shown us that you need the depth to compete so bring them all back. On the other hand, I think it's just not realistic to bring them all back, someone has to go, we'll see..

We need to move on from Kemba. -- Edwards is useless to us, as well.
Waters and Fall, need to be removed, as they don't appear to be able to make the NBA full-roster.

Fournier at $20M does become a questionable re-sign, with Nesmith and Langford in the Wings.
Also, Thompson's position could be upgraded, depending upon R. Williams' situation.

It's all in flux and partially contigent on other factors.
Kemba's money, needs to be freed up for Fournier, and/or to bring in another Center.

And we only need 2 of G. Williams, Ojeleye and Parker.
So, one gotta go.


Proposed 2021-22 Lineup:
Starters: Pritchard - Fournier - Brown - Tatum - R.Williams
Rotation: Smart - Nesmith - Langford - G.Williams - Thompson?

Rookie - Rookie - Ojeleye - Parker - Kornet
Two-Ways: Waters - Fall

Remove
Kemba
Edwards
Thompson?
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Post#179 » by Hal14 » Mon May 10, 2021 1:01 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I like Fournier (when healthy for sure) and for the right price would like him to return. But is it possible that the emergence of my "mr I told you so" (Nesmith if you been sleeping :D ) plus a desire to get Romeo (I think/hope) more acclimated in Boston's rotation next year mean Fournier is a luxury at best but no longer a need (for his potential contract)

Of course much may depend on if/what Boston does with Kemba this summer

Or have we given up any hope that Romeo will be good enough, at shooting, down the road.

(shooting and switching are my top priorities for winning BB)

It's a fair question to ask. If we run it back with Kemba/Smart/Pritchard/Langford/Fournier/Brown/Tatum/Nesmith are there enough minutes and shots to go around? Especially if you're going to pay up and pay what other teams are going to be willing to pay Fournier (probably $18-$20 mil for 3 years) does it make sense to give him that kind of $ when you have all of these other guys out on the perimeter all fighting for mins, all fighting for shots and you have Nesmith emerging and Langford with the potential to break out?

On one hand, I feel like this season with all of the injuries has shown us that you need the depth to compete so bring them all back. On the other hand, I think it's just not realistic to bring them all back, someone has to go, we'll see..

We need to move on from Kemba. -- Edwards is useless to us, as well.
Waters and Fall, need to be removed, as they don't appear to be able to make the NBA full-roster.

Fournier at $20M does become a questionable re-sign, with Nesmith and Langford in the Wings.
Also, Thompson's position could be upgraded, depending upon R. Williams' situation.

It's all in flux and partially contigent on other factors.
Kemba's money, needs to be freed up for Fournier, and/or to bring in another Center.

And we only need 2 of G. Williams, Ojeleye and Parker.
So, one gotta go.


Proposed 2021-22 Lineup:
Starters: Pritchard - Fournier - Brown - Tatum - R.Williams
Rotation: Smart - Nesmith - Langford - G.Williams - Thompson?

Rookie - Rookie - Ojeleye - Parker - Kornet
Two-Ways: Waters - Fall

Remove
Kemba
Edwards
Thompson?

Agreed that 1 has to go between Grant/Ojeleye/Parker. Agreed that Edwards needs to go. I'm also down with upgrading from Thompson.

But Thompson and Kemba are both under contract for next year. Both are players are on the wrong side of 30, both missed lots of games this year, both have overpriced contracts so trading 1 will be tough..trading both might be damn near impossible.

In your scenario, we are trading Kemba for who exactly? Are we just giving him away to clear cap space?
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Post#180 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon May 10, 2021 1:27 pm


He was a bucket away from exceeding his career high. In just his 13th game as a Celtic. Post-COVID. Without much practice time and integration. And without enough plays being set up for him. That's super valuable on a team with ball-dominant stars who attract defensive attention. Even added 8 assists like it was nothing. Gets his in the flow of the offense but doesn't hesitate when he's open. He also doesn't overdribble or overthink. Moves well without the ball and gets others involved when he has the ball.

Hope they can retain him on a decent contract.

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