JediMasterRevan wrote: The Comedian wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Pretty amusing to see people turn their noses at KAT but they think Sabonis is at C is bringing us the ring.
I don’t understand how people can write off Towns for empty stats, then want Sabonis. The Pacers have a net rating was of -2.5 with him in, and a +4.5 when he sits. It’s +1.3 when Turner plays and -0.5 when he sits.
The Wolves have a -2.8 net rating when Towns plays, which is somehow the best on the team, and a -9.5 when he sits, which is the worst of when anyone on the team sits.
Yeah on/off isn’t some end all, but impact stats really like Towns as well. He’s just been surrounded by crap his entire career, with some of the worst spacing you could imagine. If him and Sabonis switched places, the Pacers would definitely be a better team.
Its an interesting debate between Towns and Sabonis imo.
I think if Towns is moved the price is massive in comparison to Sabonis.
And Sabonis has a better team, and is still putting up as good of numbers.
Towns is a better scorer and better shooter
Sabonis is a better defender and a better passer
They are equal rebounders.
I think based on price/production Sabonis gets the nod, although I think KAT is the superior player
Agreed, Sabonis vs Towns is highly debatable IMO.
-Both are the same age.
-Both are same height
-Sabonis was an all-star this year, Towns was not
-Sabonis is more durable, whereas Towns seems to get hurt more often
-Sabonis is a better defender, by far
-A major weakness for this Celtics team is lack of ball movement and too much iso ball. Who helps our ball movement/passing more? Towns = 22.7% assist rate on 28.8% usage rate. Sabonis = 25.9% assist rate on a 24.3% usage rate. So clearly Sabonis is MUCH better in terms of ball movement, Sabonis would create less of a situation where 2 guys on the team have the ball in their hands way too much (the case with the current celtics team), Sabonis has a much higher assist % than Towns, on much lower usage.
-Last 3 years, Sabonis has been steady with his on/off numbers, with a BPM that has gone up from 3.1 to 3.2 to 3.3 over the past 3 years. Towns BPM is a decent amount higher at 4.4 this year, while last year it was 7.8 and year before that it was 6.0 which is insanely high.
While Towns' BPM edge is a solid win for him, give me the guy who is a better passer, the guy with lower usage, who plays better defense and is better at staying healthy.
I consider Towns/Sabonis/Brown are on about the same tier value-wise. I'd rather trade Brown for Sabonis than Brown for Towns..if I trade Brown, I'd prefer to get a guy in exchange who helps our ball movement problem as much as possible while also improving our defense. Sabonis is better than both Brown and Towns at both defense and in terms of helping ball movement. The other area that has killed us this season is having too many guys hurt. Sabonis edges out Towns there too.
Also, like the other guy said, it would probably cost us more to acquire Towns than it would to get Sabonis. Minnesota hasn't said anything about a desire to move their franchise player - Indiana has:https://www.slamonline.com/nba/pacers-to-consider-trading-malcolm-brogdon-domantas-sabonis/https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2858758-nba-trade-rumors-pacers-engaged-in-talks-to-deal-domantas-sabonis
What about Beal? Not any better defensively than Brown. Beal has pretty good durability but not any better than Brown (and Beal is 3 years older so body will start breaking down sooner than Bown) and in terms of ball movement, Beal has a 21.9% assist rate on a 34.2% usage rate, so his assist rate is considerably higher than Brown but his usage is also considerably higher so I see that as a wash. So Beal does not move the needle in any of those 3 areas So I don't see the point in trading Brown for Beal.