FlatearthZorro wrote: The Comedian wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:Such great games for Brown and Pritchard went to waste.
Solid showing for Kornett.
Jaylen 39/11/3 on 26 shots last night, with 3 turnovers.
Tatum 38/10/4 on 27 shots against the Nets, with 5 turnovers.
How was one a great game, and the other “not very good”? Especially considering the difference in opponent talent level. You said it was because Tatum struggled late in that game, but tonight Jaylen didn’t score from the 8 minute mark in the 4th until there was 22 seconds left, with 2 turnovers in that stretch. I think he was mostly excellent FWIW, just not aggressive enough down the stretch.
It’s a minor nitpick, but damn the double standards are crazy lol.
He was basically THE GUY with Pritchard as the 2nd most potent scorer on the squad. So, for me, that's a pretty decent game for him.
As for Jayson, he was in a similar situation, what disappointed me in that game, is him being guarded by Kyrie and turning the ball over down the stretch, which was extremely disappointing. Irving is probably 185 pounds. That's kinda embarrassing. I also believe Tatum's current season is a downgrade from last season. I think he was more aggressive last season and played more on defense. He also reverted back to the long 2s in quite a few games.
If we're comparing Tatum and Brown, I'd say Brown has picked up his game on offense this season while his level of effort on defense has been lacking at times.
Tatum's offense, imo, looks worse this year(than last) and his defense is A LOT worse than last year. Tatum has also been given a lot more opportunities on offense and has been "the guy" on that end. Obviously, injuries and Covid are in play here, but still it's not been a season where Tatum has elevated his game for me personally. I think his game has taken a hit. He's still playing decent and I'm one of his biggest fans on this forum before he was even drafted I knew he could be special.
One more thing, people will call me a conspiracy theorist, but I get a really poor vibe from Tatum the last half a season. I wouldn't be shocked if we see him in LAL jersey next time he's up for a contract renewal. Quote me on this(hope I'm wrong)
But wasn’t Tatum “the guy” against the Nets, Jaylen/Kemba/Rob all missed the game. And I mean, you’re talking about the one or two possessions that Kyrie defended him lol.
I’m not sure how his offense has gotten worse, he’s scoring more than last year, on slightly better efficiency. He’s actually taking slightly less deep two’s than last season, though more short midrange shots. He has to deal with being the guy other defenses game plan around slowing down, he’s consistently dealing with 2 or even 3 guys trying to stop him, as Scalpointed out against the Hornets the other night. Their offensive rating when he plays is 114, when he sits it’s 105.9, a difference of +8.1. No other rotation player has a difference over +4.
As far as “opportunities” on offense, Tatum’s usage is 29.6%, as opposed to 29% for Jaylen. Pretty much the exact same usage, Tatum takes 20.3 shots a game, Jaylen takes 18.9 shots. He is definitely given more responsibility as a playmaker, but that’s because he is more equipped to, has a assist % of 19.6%, and a TO rate of 9.1%, as opposed to 16.5% and 10.2% for Jaylen.
Defensively they’ve both taken a pretty big step back, the teams defensive rating when Tatum is in is 110.8, when he sits it’s 107.5. When Jaylen plays it’s 111.2, and 108.7 when he sits. Overall their net rating on/off’s are +1.4 for Jaylen, and +4.8 for Tatum. The team falls off a cliff when Tatum isn’t in the game, though it’s all about the offense, as opposed to falling off on both ends last season.
I think perception of players gets in the way of things, for posters. I’m absolutely guilty of it myself at times, too. As for your last point, it kind of ties in to what I mean about your perception of a player clouding your judgement. Could his body language be better at times? Absolutely. But I think a more likely explanation is that he was exhausted post covid, unless we think him and other players are lying.