JHTruth wrote: 31to6 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Nah, it was like 85% tops. There was a contingent (at least here) against it for the exact reasons of what has happened the last 2 years.
As one of the very few dissenters I think that percentage was in the 90s. We should dredge up that thread some time while we wait for Kemba to age and retire.
At the time everyone was sick of Terry and Kyrie, Kyrie had just shafted us along with Al, and the fanbase was overwhelmingly positive about recovering with Kemba. It's simply dishonest for the overwhelming majority of fans to now say they opposed the signing. Just ridiculous
I don't think the overwhelming majority of fans are now saying they opposed the signing. Yes, everyone (organization and fans) at the time wanted the quick 'rebound' with Kemba since we'd just been dumped by Kyrie. I didn't want another high-scoring, no-defense PG and said as much, and hoped they'd go after Vucevic instead, which obviously never happened but I maintain could've been a better move. I rarely toot my own horn on a previous 'take' and if it's annoying I'll stop, because honestly maybe it *was* better to sign Kemba than to do nothing? (nah, I don't agree with that, $40M/yr is crazy)
Anyways djfan is dedicated enough to remember who said what, and I just spent 5 minutes searching the archives and found one post of mine before we signed Kemba, which I don't know how to format at all so this will probably look terrible (sorry) (I'll highlight my main, poorly-stated thesis in blue
Re: Celtics General Off-Season pt 4: Talking Kemba til Septemba
Post#1258 » by 31to6 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:23 pm
Kemba has basically gotten better every year in the league there is no real contract year argument to be made.
I think Vuc has been consistent production wise the team used him differently at times in his career his injury history is a bigger red flag half of his career (4 seasons) he has played 65 games or less. How does that get better with age?
I'll admit I haven't looked at his injury history. Good point -- I don't know what those were.
Appreciate your real rebuttals rather than 'Vuc is boring, Kemba will sell jerseys!' -- how did that go with the Kyrie experience?
It amazes me how few people are willing to look beyond superficial stats and highlights. Ironically last fall when Kemba lit us up I was one of the ones calling out people who said "scrubs always go off on us!". Yes he's now a 'star' -- finally, at 29, and poised to cash in. Not sure I want to pay him to take shots from our recent lottery picks for the next four years but if that's what Danny and Co. want then they know better than I do. I hope, for example, they have confidence he can be a better defender, and would be happy playing in a share-the-ball system even if it means a drop to his counting stats.
The other piece with Walker is that Brad has been terrific at getting PGs to take their games to the next level. I think Walker could become a better creator offensively with Boston's weapons and Steven's system. IT and Irving where much better with Brad than without.
Sure but after 5 years of scoring-and-no defense PGs ‘leading’ the team (in ppg) I have to ask is that the system that’s going to get us to the promised land? Because teams led by scoring PGs don’t tend to win titles. (I’d call GS a rather unique situation)
I grew up with DJ as the point guard. Maybe that’s why I want Smart at the point and let all the other wing assets we have slot into major scoring roles. I’ve seen the careers of The Answer, Starbury, Stevie Franchise, etc. and all those guys looked cool doing what they did and sold a lot of jerseys, but again I’m tired of watching teams built like that with Celtics uniforms on because when push comes to shove it’s hugely unlikely to get us where we want to go.