Trade Brown for who Poll?

[Feed Your Head]

Are we really arguing that 7 points per game is not an upgrade?
Also difficulty and increase in ppg do not scale linearly. It is much harder to go from 7 ppg to 14 ppg, than it is to go from 24.7 ppg to 31.3 ppg.

Don't forget the usage and FGA

Exactly. Need to look at usage and FGA.

Beal takes more shots and is on a crappier team - that's why he averaged 6.5 PPG more. Also, players typically peak at age 27, which is where Beal is now. Brown is only 24 so he will only get better and better. Beal has no more room to improve..

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

[Hal14]

Don't forget the usage and FGA

Exactly. Need to look at usage and FGA.

Beal takes more shots and is on a crappier team - that's why he averaged 6.5 PPG more. Also, players typically peak at age 27, which is where Beal is now. Brown is only 24 so he will only get better and better. Beal has no more room to improve..

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed by ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

Based on the numbers someone else posted earlier in the thread, there's really not much of a difference between Beal and Brown, maybe a slight edge for Beal. But Beal has likely peaked and will only go downhill from here, whereas Brown is much more likely to keep getting better.

[Feed Your Head]

Exactly. Need to look at usage and FGA.

Beal takes more shots and is on a crappier team - that's why he averaged 6.5 PPG more. Also, players typically peak at age 27, which is where Beal is now. Brown is only 24 so he will only get better and better. Beal has no more room to improve..

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

I don’t speak for everyone, but a majority of nba fans know that players can and usually do continue improving into their early 30s. You’re the one who said Beal has no room to improve.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Exactly. Need to look at usage and FGA.

Beal takes more shots and is on a crappier team - that's why he averaged 6.5 PPG more. Also, players typically peak at age 27, which is where Beal is now. Brown is only 24 so he will only get better and better. Beal has no more room to improve..

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed by ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

Based on the numbers someone else posted earlier in the thread, there's really not much of a difference between Beal and Brown, maybe a slight edge for Beal. But Beal has likely peaked and will only go downhill from here, whereas Brown is much more likely to keep getting better.

Imagine if the Bulls traded Michael Jordan when he turned 27. Lol. They’d have 0 titles.

And FYI, even if Beal doesn’t improve anymore, he’s still currently a better player than Jaylen Brown ever will be, at least from an offensive standpoint. And for a guy who’s gotten a reputation for being a “good defender”, Jaylen has been pretty bad. One of the worst team defenders. Watches the ball way too much, not great at providing help unless he’s just playing the passing lanes. Brown for Beal is a no-brainer, and you only start to hesitate when it comes to how much Washington wants in addition to Brown.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Beal is better than Brown and anyone debating otherwise doesn't watch the NBA. Beal isn't a great defender but then again Brown is just as bad. How many times have we watched Brown over the past years miss a switch or flat out lose a guy and have him score? Happens all the time.

Not that the wizards would do it but you trade Brown for Beal 100/100 times.

[Hal14]

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed by ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

Based on the numbers someone else posted earlier in the thread, there's really not much of a difference between Beal and Brown, maybe a slight edge for Beal. But Beal has likely peaked and will only go downhill from here, whereas Brown is much more likely to keep getting better.

Imagine if the Bulls traded Michael Jordan when he turned 27. Lol. They’d have 0 titles.

And FYI, even if Beal doesn’t improve anymore, he’s still currently a better player than Jaylen Brown ever will be, at least from an offensive standpoint. And for a guy who’s gotten a reputation for being a “good defender”, Jaylen has been pretty bad. One of the worst team defenders. Watches the ball way too much, not great at providing help unless he’s just playing the passing lanes. Brown for Beal is a no-brainer, and you only start to hesitate when it comes to how much Washington wants in addition to Brown.

1) love when people make stupid points and then say lol, to talk down to the other person and try to make the other person feel stupid - when they're the one who made a stupid point.

2) You lose all credibility when you compare Bradley Beal to Michael Jordan

3) Beal is a better player than Brown will ever be, huh? How do you know how good Brown will end up being? He has shown steady improvement every season he's been in the league. Brown is not far off right now offensively, they have basically the same FG%. Beal just averages more points cause he takes more shots.

4) You shoot down Brown's defense, but Beal is average at best defensively. Teams in the modern NBA pick on small, undersized defenders, they get the ball to a bigger guy who then tries to drive on them or post them up. Beal and Brown are both SG but Beal is 3 inches shorter - that makes a difference, especially on D.

[MagicBagley18]

Exactly. Need to look at usage and FGA.

Beal takes more shots and is on a crappier team - that's why he averaged 6.5 PPG more. Also, players typically peak at age 27, which is where Beal is now. Brown is only 24 so he will only get better and better. Beal has no more room to improve..

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed by ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

Based on the numbers someone else posted earlier in the thread, there's really not much of a difference between Beal and Brown, maybe a slight edge for Beal. But Beal has likely peaked and will only go downhill from here, whereas Brown is much more likely to keep getting better.

Common knowledge to who? you? Hal14’s common knowledge land? Beal has peaked?

[Stan34]

Don't forget the usage and FGA

Exactly. Need to look at usage and FGA.

Beal takes more shots and is on a crappier team - that's why he averaged 6.5 PPG more. Also, players typically peak at age 27, which is where Beal is now. Brown is only 24 so he will only get better and better. Beal has no more room to improve..

So players just stop improving at 27? That’s news to me, and everyone else.

If It was for you (an other) Jaylen should never been an all star. Or I remmber wrong? Jaylen is going to improve every year.

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[MagicBagley18]

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed by ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

Based on the numbers someone else posted earlier in the thread, there's really not much of a difference between Beal and Brown, maybe a slight edge for Beal. But Beal has likely peaked and will only go downhill from here, whereas Brown is much more likely to keep getting better.

Imagine if the Bulls traded Michael Jordan when he turned 27. Lol. They’d have 0 titles.

And FYI, even if Beal doesn’t improve anymore, he’s still currently a better player than Jaylen Brown ever will be, at least from an offensive standpoint. And for a guy who’s gotten a reputation for being a “good defender”, Jaylen has been pretty bad. One of the worst team defenders. Watches the ball way too much, not great at providing help unless he’s just playing the passing lanes. Brown for Beal is a no-brainer, and you only start to hesitate when it comes to how much Washington wants in addition to Brown.

1) love when people make stupid points and then say lol, to talk down to the other person and try to make the other person feel stupid - when they're the one who made a stupid point.

2) You lose all credibility when you compare Bradley Beal to Michael Jordan

3) Beal is a better player than Brown will ever be, huh? How do you know how good Brown will end up being? He has shown steady improvement every season he's been in the league. Brown is not far off right now offensively, they have basically the same FG%. Beal just averages more points cause he takes more shots.

4) You shoot down Brown's defense, but Beal is average at best defensively. Teams in the modern NBA pick on small, undersized defenders, they get the ball to a bigger guy who then tries to drive on them or post them up. Beal and Brown are both SG but Beal is 3 inches shorter - that makes a difference, especially on D.

Why is it ok to use stats that fit your argument but then shoot down stats that don’t fit your argument ? Stats show jaylens defense has declined. Eye test show Jaylens team defense and individual defense has declined. some of that is typical with a higher emphasis on offense.

Why is it that when brown is off the court the team barely misses him? How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him? Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option. Excel, actually being able to score points in a half court setting being the 1a scoring wise.

Beals better now, better than Jaylen will be at 27 and he’s closer to Tatum than brown will ever be.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

so you speak for "everyone else"? lol

It's common knowledge that NBA players see the most rapid development between ages 18-22, followed by ages 23-26 where they are still developing quite a bit but to a lesser extent. Then players typically peak at age 27/28. They usually steak at peak level until age 29 or possibly even 30, unless age/injuries hit them sooner..

By age 30 it's unlikely they will improve anymore. By 31/32 you start to see decline.

Based on the numbers someone else posted earlier in the thread, there's really not much of a difference between Beal and Brown, maybe a slight edge for Beal. But Beal has likely peaked and will only go downhill from here, whereas Brown is much more likely to keep getting better.

Imagine if the Bulls traded Michael Jordan when he turned 27. Lol. They’d have 0 titles.

And FYI, even if Beal doesn’t improve anymore, he’s still currently a better player than Jaylen Brown ever will be, at least from an offensive standpoint. And for a guy who’s gotten a reputation for being a “good defender”, Jaylen has been pretty bad. One of the worst team defenders. Watches the ball way too much, not great at providing help unless he’s just playing the passing lanes. Brown for Beal is a no-brainer, and you only start to hesitate when it comes to how much Washington wants in addition to Brown.

1) love when people make stupid points and then say lol, to talk down to the other person and try to make the other person feel stupid - when they're the one who made a stupid point.

2) You lose all credibility when you compare Bradley Beal to Michael Jordan

3) Beal is a better player than Brown will ever be, huh? How do you know how good Brown will end up being? He has shown steady improvement every season he's been in the league. Brown is not far off right now offensively, they have basically the same FG%. Beal just averages more points cause he takes more shots.

4) You shoot down Brown's defense, but Beal is average at best defensively. Teams in the modern NBA pick on small, undersized defenders, they get the ball to a bigger guy who then tries to drive on them or post them up. Beal and Brown are both SG but Beal is 3 inches shorter - that makes a difference, especially on D.

You made a stupid point, so you got a stupid reply. This is how things work.

Look, I really like Brown a lot, but this shouldn’t be a tough choice to make. Beal is in his prime, and he happens to be like an older brother to Tatum. If there’s one thing we know about this current era of players, it’s that they have no qualms about moving on to another team. We don’t have time to sit around and hope that Brown can develop into the player Bradley Beal currently is right now. If we trade Brown for Beal, you kill 2 birds with one stone - you improve the team, and you let your cornerstone player how important he is to the team by trading for his big brother.

[Hal14]

How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him?

That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if basketball was played outdoors on a ice skating pond?"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?

Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option.

a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

[truth18]

How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him?

That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if every game was played on a Tuesday"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?

Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option.

a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

Who is Bradley Beal? Never heard of him.

[Stan34]

Imagine if the Bulls traded Michael Jordan when he turned 27. Lol. They’d have 0 titles.

And FYI, even if Beal doesn’t improve anymore, he’s still currently a better player than Jaylen Brown ever will be, at least from an offensive standpoint. And for a guy who’s gotten a reputation for being a “good defender”, Jaylen has been pretty bad. One of the worst team defenders. Watches the ball way too much, not great at providing help unless he’s just playing the passing lanes. Brown for Beal is a no-brainer, and you only start to hesitate when it comes to how much Washington wants in addition to Brown.

1) love when people make stupid points and then say lol, to talk down to the other person and try to make the other person feel stupid - when they're the one who made a stupid point.

2) You lose all credibility when you compare Bradley Beal to Michael Jordan

3) Beal is a better player than Brown will ever be, huh? How do you know how good Brown will end up being? He has shown steady improvement every season he's been in the league. Brown is not far off right now offensively, they have basically the same FG%. Beal just averages more points cause he takes more shots.

4) You shoot down Brown's defense, but Beal is average at best defensively. Teams in the modern NBA pick on small, undersized defenders, they get the ball to a bigger guy who then tries to drive on them or post them up. Beal and Brown are both SG but Beal is 3 inches shorter - that makes a difference, especially on D.

Why is it ok to use stats that fit your argument but then shoot down stats that don’t fit your argument ? Stats show jaylens defense has declined. Eye test show Jaylens team defense and individual defense has declined. some of that is typical with a higher emphasis on offense.

Why is it that when brown is off the court the team barely misses him? How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him? Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option. Excel, actually being able to score points in a half court setting being the 1a scoring wise.

Beals better now, better than Jaylen will be at 27 and he’s closer to Tatum than brown will ever be.

Ah ah ah when Brown is off the court team dont miss a bit? I saw vs Brooklyn. Just stop. How old are you?

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[Feed Your Head]

How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him?

That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if basketball was played outdoors on a ice skating pond?"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?

Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option.

a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

Beal was right around his career number with assisted shots, so having Westbrook didn’t really have any impact on that.

And Beal absolutely was the focus of other teams defense, teams WANTED Westbrook shooting the ball, as he had a 51% TS. Jaylen 100% gets the benefit of playing off of Tatum, who was double teamed more than any front court player in the league this season.

This isn’t about knocking Jaylen, many people just think Beal is the much better player. People want to throw phrases like “Beal doesn’t impact winning” around, yet ignore that for the third straight year, and fourth out of five….the Celtics played the same whether Jaylen was on the court, or not. I can bring out the exact numbers if you’d like.

Jaylen is a good player, a guy who will make 3-5 all star teams, Beal is a guy defenses gameplay around slowing down, and he’d be our second option. Dude would be FEASTING on secondary defenders.

[MagicBagley18]

1) love when people make stupid points and then say lol, to talk down to the other person and try to make the other person feel stupid - when they're the one who made a stupid point.

2) You lose all credibility when you compare Bradley Beal to Michael Jordan

3) Beal is a better player than Brown will ever be, huh? How do you know how good Brown will end up being? He has shown steady improvement every season he's been in the league. Brown is not far off right now offensively, they have basically the same FG%. Beal just averages more points cause he takes more shots.

4) You shoot down Brown's defense, but Beal is average at best defensively. Teams in the modern NBA pick on small, undersized defenders, they get the ball to a bigger guy who then tries to drive on them or post them up. Beal and Brown are both SG but Beal is 3 inches shorter - that makes a difference, especially on D.

Why is it ok to use stats that fit your argument but then shoot down stats that don’t fit your argument ? Stats show jaylens defense has declined. Eye test show Jaylens team defense and individual defense has declined. some of that is typical with a higher emphasis on offense.

Why is it that when brown is off the court the team barely misses him? How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him? Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option. Excel, actually being able to score points in a half court setting being the 1a scoring wise.

Beals better now, better than Jaylen will be at 27 and he’s closer to Tatum than brown will ever be.

Ah ah ah when Brown is off the court team dont miss a bit? I saw vs Brooklyn. Just stop. How old are you?

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If you think brown changes anything in that series beyond us losing in 6 mayyyyybeeeee instead of 5 you’re delusional homer

[MagicBagley18]

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How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him?

That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if basketball was played outdoors on a ice skating pond?"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?

Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option.

a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

Defenses want westBrook to shoot- they dare him to do as much. In fact westBrook doesn’t get to the rim anywhere near as much as he used to and in the 1st half of the season that was evident. Beal and Tatum would be a 1a and 1b and since they are like brothers neither would care because both would be capable of shining.

My post isn’t silly at all, brown is terrible creating offense for himself- he’s best in catch and shoot situations ideally. The fact you’re crediting westBrook for beal’s succes is kind of laughable honeslty.

[itrsteve]

I’d rather wait a year and have Beal demand a trade here, then we just trade them spare parts and a few picks. Then that’s when you trade Brown for a superstar or a better fitting star.

This, wait until the Wizards lose leverage and you won't have to sell the farm.

The interesting dynamic is around that 10yr vet max which he lined himself up well for. If Sheppard offers it to him and he accepts then he almost makes himself un-tradable... Or at least it gets trickier.

Will be neat to see how that one plays out.

[Hal14]

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How would Jaylen do with the entire defense focused on him?

That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if basketball was played outdoors on a ice skating pond?"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?

Beal has shown he can flourish as a number 1 scoring option.

a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

Defenses want westBrook to shoot- they dare him to do as much. In fact westBrook doesn’t get to the rim anywhere near as much as he used to and in the 1st half of the season that was evident. Beal and Tatum would be a 1a and 1b and since they are like brothers neither would care because both would be capable of shining.

My post isn’t silly at all, brown is terrible creating offense for himself- he’s best in catch and shoot situations ideally. The fact you’re crediting westBrook for beal’s succes is kind of laughable honeslty.

1) Yeah real laughable to point out that a guy's career best scoring season comes right after the league's best assist man joins his team

2) This seems to be a recurring theme I am seeing in this thread - you say that Beal and Tatum are like brothers so neither would care who is the no. 1 option and neither would care that they're getting less shot attempts than they used to. It seems to me like the whole Beal/Tatum bro-fest is getting blown out of proportion. The media often times will make a story out of nothing, or they will exaggerate a story because well, they need something to write about in this era where the sports journalism industry is is in shambles (I know, I was a sports reporter for 10 years). Tatum and Brown have never been teammates before. So we have no idea how well they would play off each other, we don't know what type of chemistry they would have.

So they're both from st. louis, they're 4 years apart and have known each other since they were very young. Do you think I have some unshakeable bond with every person from Boston who is 4 years older or younger than I am who I knew when I was a kid? Of course not. Pretty much anyone I'm close with now are people I met as an adult.

Tatum and Beal barely see each other - it seems like only when the Celtics and Wizards play against each other and maybe occasionally back home in St Louis during the offseason. You know what usually happens when 2 people who think they're good friends but they don't see each other often, all of a sudden they become roommates? They usually end up hating each other because the other person is there constantly and they learn all of these tendencies the other person has which drive them crazy - tendencies they had no idea about when they only saw each other once or twice a year. Maybe that will happen with Tatum and Beal if Beal comes here, maybe it won't. But it's a risk, it's uncertainty. And all of these people who think that tatum and Beal are this match made in heaven, ultimate bromance, bulletproof friendship, again I think it's being blown out of proportion and I take it with a grain of salt.

We know what we have with Tatum and Brown as teammates - the latest 4 playoff runs where both Tatum and Brown were healthy - 3 trips to the ECF. You'd be hard pressed to find many duos in NBA history who won more games as teammates before either of them turned 25 than Tatum and Brown - there's been numerous examples of good chemistry, good camaraderie between them and the best is yet to come for both.

3) Boston's best chance for a title is adding a third piece to Tatum and Brown. Simply trading Brown for Beal, that might be an upgrade, but it's a small upgrade - one that won't move the needle enough - one that won't result in a championship - especially when you consider all of the other assets Boston would need to include in a package along with Brown in order to get Beal.

4) Based on this article, it sounds like the Wizards GM is looking to make a big splash, he's looking to add talent via trades/free agency..seems like trading away Beal is the last thing on his mind so it's likely a moot point.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/06/southeast-notes-wizards-bridges-heat-ennis.html

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That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if basketball was played outdoors on a ice skating pond?"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?


a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

Defenses want westBrook to shoot- they dare him to do as much. In fact westBrook doesn’t get to the rim anywhere near as much as he used to and in the 1st half of the season that was evident. Beal and Tatum would be a 1a and 1b and since they are like brothers neither would care because both would be capable of shining.

My post isn’t silly at all, brown is terrible creating offense for himself- he’s best in catch and shoot situations ideally. The fact you’re crediting westBrook for beal’s succes is kind of laughable honeslty.

1) Yeah real laughable to point out that a guy's career best scoring season comes right after the league's best assist man joins his team

2) This seems to be a recurring theme I am seeing in this thread - you say that Beal and Tatum are like brothers so neither would care who is the no. 1 option and neither would care that they're getting less shot attempts than they used to. It seems to me like the whole Beal/Tatum bro-fest is getting blown out of proportion. The media often times will make a story out of nothing, or they will exaggerate a story because well, they need something to write about in this era where the sports journalism industry is is in shambles (I know, I was a sports reporter for 10 years). Tatum and Brown have never been teammates before. So we have no idea how well they would play off each other, we don't know what type of chemistry they would have.

So they're both from st. louis, they're 4 years apart and have known each other since they were very young. Do you think I have some unshakeable bond with every person from Boston who is 4 years older or younger than I am who I knew when I was a kid? Of course not. Pretty much anyone I'm close with now are people I met as an adult.

Tatum and Beal barely see each other - it seems like only when the Celtics and Wizards play against each other and maybe occasionally back home in St Louis during the offseason. You know what usually happens when 2 people who think they're good friends but they don't see each other often, all of a sudden they become roommates? They usually end up hating each other because the other person is there constantly and they learn all of these tendencies the other person has which drive them crazy - tendencies they had no idea about when they only saw each other once or twice a year. Maybe that will happen with Tatum and Beal if Beal comes here, maybe it won't. But it's a risk, it's uncertainty. And all of these people who think that tatum and Beal are this match made in heaven, ultimate bromance, bulletproof friendship, again I think it's being blown out of proportion and I take it with a grain of salt.

We know what we have with Tatum and Brown as teammates - the latest 4 playoff runs where both Tatum and Brown were healthy - 3 trips to the ECF. You'd be hard pressed to find many duos in NBA history who won more games as teammates before either of them turned 25 than Tatum and Brown - there's been numerous examples of good chemistry, good camaraderie between them and the best is yet to come for both.

1) you’re talking about a difference of 4 shots a game between beal and brown 1st of all. Not some giant discrepancy- and if kemba is gone that’s more shot opportunists for both beal and Tatum to make up the difference. Beals been on a career upward trajectory before westBrook- and let’s stop acting like westBrook is this guy who makes everyone better.

They aren’t both just from St. Louis- their moms are friends and both admittedly talk to each other every day or every other day. Google it and find the quotes. They train with each other in the offseason that’s more then “occasionally seeing each other in the offseason” you’re full of **** dude. Honestly completely talking out of your ass.

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That's a stupid question. Brown has never been the no. 1 option before, so we have no idea. He might do great, he might fail. It's a stupid hypothetical question. Mine as well be asking "how would Brown do if basketball was played outdoors on a ice skating pond?"

Side note - you do realize that Beal had the best year of his career during Westbrook's first year on the team, right? You know, Westbrook, who recorded an insane 48.6% assist rate this season. I believe that was the highest assist rate among all starting PGs in the league. So a) Beal's stats are inflated because he plays with the best assist man in the league b) Beal absolutely does NOT have the entire defense focused on him. Defenses need to focus just as much on Westbrook as they do on Beal. Westbrook is the floor general, he's the one who runs the show for the Wizards and c) a better. question to ask is how much would Brown's scoring go up if he got to play with Westbrook?


a) And Brown has not been in a position yet where he is the no. 1 option so we don't know yet how he would do in such a role, so your point is kind of silly. He might do better than Beal in said role, he might do worse, we don't know.
b) If anything, there's added risk in trading Brown for Beal because on the current Celtics, the roles are defined. Tatum is the no. 1 guy and Brown is the no. 2. What would happen if we traded Brown for Beal? Who's the no. 1 guy then? Is it Beal or Tatum? Either way, one of them would need to accept a lesser role, since both Beal and Tatum are used to be the no. 1 option. How will that go down? Is Beal capable of being a no. 2 option? Can he take a back seat the way Brown has been able to do? There's added risk here..

Defenses want westBrook to shoot- they dare him to do as much. In fact westBrook doesn’t get to the rim anywhere near as much as he used to and in the 1st half of the season that was evident. Beal and Tatum would be a 1a and 1b and since they are like brothers neither would care because both would be capable of shining.

My post isn’t silly at all, brown is terrible creating offense for himself- he’s best in catch and shoot situations ideally. The fact you’re crediting westBrook for beal’s succes is kind of laughable honeslty.

1) Yeah real laughable to point out that a guy's career best scoring season comes right after the league's best assist man joins his team

2) This seems to be a recurring theme I am seeing in this thread - you say that Beal and Tatum are like brothers so neither would care who is the no. 1 option and neither would care that they're getting less shot attempts than they used to. It seems to me like the whole Beal/Tatum bro-fest is getting blown out of proportion. The media often times will make a story out of nothing, or they will exaggerate a story because well, they need something to write about in this era where the sports journalism industry is is in shambles (I know, I was a sports reporter for 10 years). Tatum and Brown have never been teammates before. So we have no idea how well they would play off each other, we don't know what type of chemistry they would have.

So they're both from st. louis, they're 4 years apart and have known each other since they were very young. Do you think I have some unshakeable bond with every person from Boston who is 4 years older or younger than I am who I knew when I was a kid? Of course not. Pretty much anyone I'm close with now are people I met as an adult.

Tatum and Beal barely see each other - it seems like only when the Celtics and Wizards play against each other and maybe occasionally back home in St Louis during the offseason. You know what usually happens when 2 people who think they're good friends but they don't see each other often, all of a sudden they become roommates? They usually end up hating each other because the other person is there constantly and they learn all of these tendencies the other person has which drive them crazy - tendencies they had no idea about when they only saw each other once or twice a year. Maybe that will happen with Tatum and Beal if Beal comes here, maybe it won't. But it's a risk, it's uncertainty. And all of these people who think that tatum and Beal are this match made in heaven, ultimate bromance, bulletproof friendship, again I think it's being blown out of proportion and I take it with a grain of salt.

We know what we have with Tatum and Brown as teammates - the latest 4 playoff runs where both Tatum and Brown were healthy - 3 trips to the ECF. You'd be hard pressed to find many duos in NBA history who won more games as teammates before either of them turned 25 than Tatum and Brown - there's been numerous examples of good chemistry, good camaraderie between them and the best is yet to come for both.

3) Boston's best chance for a title is adding a third piece to Tatum and Brown. Simply trading Brown for Beal, that might be an upgrade, but it's a small upgrade - one that won't move the needle enough - one that won't result in a championship - especially when you consider all of the other assets Boston would need to include in a package along with Brown in order to get Beal

4) Based on this article, it sounds like the Wizards GM is looking to make a big splash, he's looking to add talent via trades/free agency..seems like trading away Beal is the last thing on his mind so it's likely a moot point.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/06/southeast-notes-wizards-bridges-heat-ennis.html

Are u the same dude that was begging for vucevic?