Welcome to Virtual Boston, Juhann Begarin!

[playa-hater]

Since this thread was bumped up and with all due respect to J Morgan and A Brown, I like J Begarin more. He should be on this year's team, even as a 2 way or maybe even better.

Damn you Stevens, you make me want to build a statue for everything else just so I can tear it down for this.

I still say learning from watching Tatum-Brown-PP-Nesmith and whomever else UP CLOSE and playing in between G-league and the NBA > some far off land..

It's better asset management to stash these guys. They still can develop, albeit at a lower level, and C's don't have to manage their situation the same way you would with a 2 way guy. It's a win-win.

He gets another year of seasoning abroad and then we can decide next year whether he warrants an actual roster spot or 2 way. No sense overcomplicating things for the 45th pick in the draft.

Yes. It makes more sense to stash Begarin until he's fully ready to contribute to the team. Keep in mind he literally just turned 19 and last season played in France's B League so it'd be too big of a jump to go right from France B League to NBA. This upcoming season he will be playing in France A League so it is a much smoother, more natural transition to go from France B League to France A League to NBA.

Not to mention you wait as long as possible to bring him over to the Celtics because you don't want to "start the clock" on his rookie contract too early. By Waiting until he's fully ready to bring him over, you maximize the value of the dirt cheap rookie contract. You wait 1-2 yrs to bring him over and now you have a legit valuable contributor off the bench, an 8th or even 7th man giving value on both ends of the floor on a dirt cheap rookie contract and possibly even starting for you by then end of the rookie contract. You bring him to Boston now? You've got the 15th guy on the team on a rookie contract, wasting away, sitting on the bench, not getting any minutes to further his development and maybe by the end of the dirt cheap rookie contract he can start contributing valuable mins off the bench.

Lastly, as of today Hauser is the only guy on our g-league team. Based on the way the offseason has gone, every team out there is doing their absolute best to maximize their 15 man roster and get as much talent as possible on their 15 man roster. It appears as though pretty much all of the talent is going to be on the 15 man rosters. We have no idea how competitive the g-league will be this year. We don't know how much talent will be in the G-league. All we know is, the C's will have hauser. The Lakers will have some combination of Ayayi, Reeves and McClung. Guys like Moses Wright and AJ Lawson will be playing for someone. It's basically the scraps left over who couldn't make an NBA roster, and a bunch of guys who were good college players last year but didn't get drafted or were late 2nd round picks. Oh and the G-league ignite team should have a few good prospects out of high school again who could be lottery picks next year. There's a good chance that France A league that Begarin will play in will be just as good (probably better) competition this year than g-league.

France won the silver medal in the Olympics - yes that was largely because of Gobert and Fournier but clearly they have a bunch of other dudes in that country who can play and are likely playing in France A league.

The other reason you want to wait before starting the clock on a guy's rookie contract until they're ready is because if you start the clock too early, well now you're being forced to make a decision about whether to extend the player or resign them - you're having to decide their long term future with the team before that kid is even old enough to legally drink - before he has had enough time to develop and prove he deserves a long term spot on the team.

you guys gave your best defense and reasons.. I stand firm.. as soon as they Build Stevens his statue, I am tearing it down !

ps.. you know it's a long offseason when everyone keeps rehashing the same discussion we said a dozen times.. me included.

[Half-Full]

Meanwhile, in the French A-League, Juhaan's team, Paris Basket was in action. They didn't win the game, but Juhaan is looking good, putting up a pretty impressive line: 10 Pts, 4 Reb, 1 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk. Impressed with his speed and long arms.

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

Meanwhile, in the French A-League, Juhaan's team, Paris Basket was in action. They didn't win the game, but Juhaan is looking good, putting up a pretty impressive line: 10 Pts, 4 Reb, 1 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk. Impressed with his speed and long arms.

Watch on YouTube

Love the way this kid plays. Udoka and Brad keep saying how they want to add guys who have a toughness / edge to the way they play. Begarin definitely seems to fit that description.

He does look a little quicker and maybe even a little slimmed down compared to what we saw in summer league.

One knock people had on him before was he was limited in his ability to create off the dribble, only being able to make straight line drives. So the play here at :32 is definitely encouraging to see. Took it from the wing to the rim, used a crossover and hesitation dribble to create separation from his man, scored off a drive that was not a straight line drive.

Another knock on him was FT shooting. Obviously a small sample size here, but going 2/2 from the line in this game is also a good sign.


Another knock on him was that he had kind of a loose handle that he had to tighten up. His handle looked pretty good in this game, especially on the play at :38 where he took it coast to coast for the layup. The defender tried to strip him around the 3 point line - a lot of guys with lesser handles would have coughed it up right there. Begarin did have 4 turnovers though, in just 25 mins so that is a little concerning.

Just 1 game but I like what I see - especially the nice blend he seems to have of contributing on both offense and defense. A good portion of the plays in this video were on the defensive side, very encouraging for a dude who just turned 19. He had 2 steals and 1 block, looked like he could have had 2 blocks too - maybe on one of the plays they credited a teammate for a block, or ruled that he made a deflection instead of a block..

He was 0/1 from 3 in this game, so worth keeping an eye on in future games if he's able to knick down 3's with decent regularity..

[Dogen]

Meanwhile, in the French A-League, Juhaan's team, Paris Basket was in action. They didn't win the game, but Juhaan is looking good, putting up a pretty impressive line: 10 Pts, 4 Reb, 1 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk. Impressed with his speed and long arms.

Watch on YouTube

Love the way this kid plays. Udoka and Brad keep saying how they want to add guys who have a toughness / edge to the way they play. Begarin definitely seems to fit that description.

He does look a little quicker and maybe even a little slimmed down compared to what we saw in summer league.

One knock people had on him before was he was limited in his ability to create off the dribble, only being able to make straight line drives. So the play here at :32 is definitely encouraging to see. Took it from the wing to the rim, used a crossover and hesitation dribble to create separation from his man, scored off a drive that was not a straight line drive.

Another knock on him was FT shooting. Obviously a small sample size here, but going 2/2 from the line in this game is also a good sign.


Another knock on him was that he had kind of a loose handle that he had to tighten up. His handle looked pretty good in this game, especially on the play at :38 where he took it coast to coast for the layup. The defender tried to strip him around the 3 point line - a lot of guys with lesser handles would have coughed it up right there. Begarin did have 4 turnovers though, in just 25 mins so that is a little concerning.

Just 1 game but I like what I see - especially the nice blend he seems to have of contributing on both offense and defense. A good portion of the plays in this video were on the defensive side, very encouraging for a dude who just turned 19. He had 2 steals and 1 block, looked like he could have had 2 blocks too - maybe on one of the plays they credited a teammate for a block, or ruled that he made a deflection instead of a block..

He was 0/1 from 3 in this game, so worth keeping an eye on in future games if he's able to knick down 3's with decent regularity..

Thanks for the update on Juhann Begarin, aka JB2, aka Le Prédateur!

[31to6]

Le Predateur is a sensational nickname!

Alas, got smoked by Dijon, but c'est la vie

[giambijuice]

Le Predateur is a sensational nickname!

Alas, got smoked by Dijon, but c'est la vie

put a little mustard on that hot dog....that kid looks GOOD. parlez vous francais ? Oui, je parle maintenant.

just polishing up my en francais.

[Curmudgeon]

Je comprends que la Guadeloupe est un département de France, mais Begarin est originaire des Caraïbes, tout comme Al Horford ou Ronny Turiaf.

[Dogen]

Le Predateur is a sensational nickname!

Alas, got smoked by Dijon, but c'est la vie

Thanks, I’ve come up with some duds lately for other players (“Ace” Pritchard? ).

[remi_222]

2nd game : 4pts (0/2 3pts, 0 FT), 2reb, 1ass in 17min. Hasnt provoked lots of fouls, with his strenght he should be able to go to the line more often !!

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2nd game : 4pts (0/2 3pts, 0 FT), 2reb, 1ass in 17min. Hasnt provoked lots of fouls, with his strenght he should be able to go to the line more often !!

Thanks for providing the update. Not the most impressive line for 17 minutes of playing time. Hopefully it was just an off night. I expect we will see his game and scoring improve as the season goes on.

[Curmudgeon]

It's hard to tell if it was on off night without film.

[BostonCouchGM]

Meanwhile, in the French A-League, Juhaan's team, Paris Basket was in action. They didn't win the game, but Juhaan is looking good, putting up a pretty impressive line: 10 Pts, 4 Reb, 1 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk. Impressed with his speed and long arms.

Watch on YouTube

Love the way this kid plays. Udoka and Brad keep saying how they want to add guys who have a toughness / edge to the way they play. Begarin definitely seems to fit that description.

He does look a little quicker and maybe even a little slimmed down compared to what we saw in summer league.

One knock people had on him before was he was limited in his ability to create off the dribble, only being able to make straight line drives. So the play here at :32 is definitely encouraging to see. Took it from the wing to the rim, used a crossover and hesitation dribble to create separation from his man, scored off a drive that was not a straight line drive.

Another knock on him was FT shooting. Obviously a small sample size here, but going 2/2 from the line in this game is also a good sign.


Another knock on him was that he had kind of a loose handle that he had to tighten up. His handle looked pretty good in this game, especially on the play at :38 where he took it coast to coast for the layup. The defender tried to strip him around the 3 point line - a lot of guys with lesser handles would have coughed it up right there. Begarin did have 4 turnovers though, in just 25 mins so that is a little concerning.

Just 1 game but I like what I see - especially the nice blend he seems to have of contributing on both offense and defense. A good portion of the plays in this video were on the defensive side, very encouraging for a dude who just turned 19. He had 2 steals and 1 block, looked like he could have had 2 blocks too - maybe on one of the plays they credited a teammate for a block, or ruled that he made a deflection instead of a block..

He was 0/1 from 3 in this game, so worth keeping an eye on in future games if he's able to knick down 3's with decent regularity..

of those supposed knocks, the only legit one was FT %. It's weird because he has a nice stroke. Maybe it's the way he sets up or his timing. Hopefully with more attempts he'll improve.

[Hal14]

Meanwhile, in the French A-League, Juhaan's team, Paris Basket was in action. They didn't win the game, but Juhaan is looking good, putting up a pretty impressive line: 10 Pts, 4 Reb, 1 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk. Impressed with his speed and long arms.

Watch on YouTube

Love the way this kid plays. Udoka and Brad keep saying how they want to add guys who have a toughness / edge to the way they play. Begarin definitely seems to fit that description.

He does look a little quicker and maybe even a little slimmed down compared to what we saw in summer league.

One knock people had on him before was he was limited in his ability to create off the dribble, only being able to make straight line drives. So the play here at :32 is definitely encouraging to see. Took it from the wing to the rim, used a crossover and hesitation dribble to create separation from his man, scored off a drive that was not a straight line drive.

Another knock on him was FT shooting. Obviously a small sample size here, but going 2/2 from the line in this game is also a good sign.


Another knock on him was that he had kind of a loose handle that he had to tighten up. His handle looked pretty good in this game, especially on the play at :38 where he took it coast to coast for the layup. The defender tried to strip him around the 3 point line - a lot of guys with lesser handles would have coughed it up right there. Begarin did have 4 turnovers though, in just 25 mins so that is a little concerning.

Just 1 game but I like what I see - especially the nice blend he seems to have of contributing on both offense and defense. A good portion of the plays in this video were on the defensive side, very encouraging for a dude who just turned 19. He had 2 steals and 1 block, looked like he could have had 2 blocks too - maybe on one of the plays they credited a teammate for a block, or ruled that he made a deflection instead of a block..

He was 0/1 from 3 in this game, so worth keeping an eye on in future games if he's able to knick down 3's with decent regularity..

of those supposed knocks, the only legit one was FT %. It's weird because he has a nice stroke. Maybe it's the way he sets up or his timing. Hopefully with more attempts he'll improve.

Yeah, like you said he has a nice stroke. I think it's just that he literally just turned 19. you look at the dudes in the NBA year in and year out who shoot over 80% from the line, most of the time they're vets who are age 27+.

with that being said, the young (23 or under) guys who shoot 80% or better from the line, it is an indicator that they'll be really good shooters during their career from all over the floor.

[playa-hater]

2nd game : 4pts (0/2 3pts, 0 FT), 2reb, 1ass in 17min. Hasnt provoked lots of fouls, with his strenght he should be able to go to the line more often !!

Thanks for providing the update. Not the most impressive line for 17 minutes of playing time. Hopefully it was just an off night. I expect we will see his game and scoring improve as the season goes on.

Throw away his best game and his worst game. whatever is in the middle is probably the best way to judge.

[Hal14]

2nd game : 4pts (0/2 3pts, 0 FT), 2reb, 1ass in 17min. Hasnt provoked lots of fouls, with his strenght he should be able to go to the line more often !!

Thanks for providing the update. Not the most impressive line for 17 minutes of playing time. Hopefully it was just an off night. I expect we will see his game and scoring improve as the season goes on.

Throw away his best game and his worst game. whatever is in the middle is probably the best way to judge.

Wise words.

[Half-Full]

Paris Basketball lost a close game vs Roanne (98-97). From the highlights, it was an exciting game. Juhaan (jersey number 23) has some nice moments. Reading a French newspaper account of the game with my high school french, it looks like Juhaan finished with 11 points. Unfortunately, Juhaan's foul at the end cost Paris the game, as the opposing player sank the winning free throw.

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

Paris Basketball lost a close game vs Roanne (98-97). From the highlights, it was an exciting game. Juhaan (jersey number 23) has some nice moments. Reading a French newspaper account of the game with my high school french, it looks like Juhaan finished with 11 points. Unfortunately, Juhaan's foul at the end cost Paris the game, as the opposing player sank the winning free throw.

Watch on YouTube

This video shows just Begarin's highlights from the game. He looks quicker once again, makes some good passes, plays some tough D, hits some shots. Solid all around game.

He does make a foul at the end there with his team up by 1 which sends opposing team to line where they hit both FTs. IDK, it's hard to see what he did on that play to egt a foul, looks like kind of a ticky tack call, tough call to have go against you in the closing seconds of a 1 point game.

Then Begarin gets a decent look from mid range for a potential game winner but it rims out. Tough loss, but he's young - hopefully this will help fuel his fire and it'll help his development in the long run.

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[Shak_Celts]

Meanwhile, in the French A-League, Juhaan's team, Paris Basket was in action. They didn't win the game, but Juhaan is looking good, putting up a pretty impressive line: 10 Pts, 4 Reb, 1 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk. Impressed with his speed and long arms.

Watch on YouTube

didn't he have two assists? one was that alley-oop and the other was where he drove in from 3 and dropped it off nicely to his teammate on the baseline.

edit: nvm, the video said 2. sorry.

[Hal14]

Side note - Begarin's teammate Ismael Kamagate is a beast. 6'11" center who runs like a deer, elite rim protector, very good finisher out of dunker's spot, good roll man, good passer, good lob threat. High motor. He's 20 yrs old.

Celtics scouts are probably going to be seeing more of Kamagate than any other NBA team will over the course of this season, since they'll be keeping tabs on Begarin. Would be kind of cool if we draft a Paris Basketball player 2 years in a row.

However, we already have 2 young (23 or under) centers on this team with Rob and Bruno. We'll see how this season unfolds for both of them, but if both of them are part of the long term plan here, we probably won't draft a center next year..

Kamagate looks good, though..

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With how young and talented they are, I've got a feeling that Begarin and Kamagate will both keep getting better as the season goes on and they'll get better chemistry together too - could be a really fun duo later on in the season..

[Bleeding Green]

Since this thread was bumped up and with all due respect to J Morgan and A Brown, I like J Begarin more. He should be on this year's team, even as a 2 way or maybe even better.

Damn you Stevens, you make me want to build a statue for everything else just so I can tear it down for this.

I still say learning from watching Tatum-Brown-PP-Nesmith and whomever else UP CLOSE and playing in between G-league and the NBA > some far off land..

He would play zero minutes and waste a year of his rookie contract. In the event that he proves he's a viable NBA player, it will be when he's 23-ish. SO why throw away a year of control for no reason? Juhann Begarin would have zero impact on the 2021-22 Celtics, but he may have impact on the 2024-25 Celtics. If you bring him into the fold now, you risk losing him on his second contract. This is basic stuff. Players aren't good at age 19 unless they are hall of famers.