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Post#2 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Sep 3, 2021 4:55 pm

Fills a need and he's not an awful player. Like the non-guaranteed second year since you can move that salary in a trade next year.

Interested to see what his presence means for Jabari Parker
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Post#3 » by Bohemian » Fri Sep 3, 2021 6:56 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Fills a need and he's not an awful player. Like the non-guaranteed second year since you can move that salary in a trade next year.

Interested to see what his presence means for Jabari Parker


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Post#4 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 3, 2021 7:31 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Fills a need and he's not an awful player. Like the non-guaranteed second year since you can move that salary in a trade next year.

Interested to see what his presence means for Jabari Parker

I think what it means is:

a) Parker is more likely to make the team now since we now have 15 guys under contract instead of 16
b) in terms of Parker's playing time, though, this is not good for him. Parker was getting mostly DNPs last season after joining the team so this season between Grant probably being at least a little better than last yr (you have to expect at least some improvement from yr 2 at age 22 to yr 3 at age 23) and the addition of Hernangomez, Parker might be the furthest guy at the end of the bench.

With that being said, it seems like udoka is approaching this with a fairly clean slate for all of the guys - it seems like he knows who his stars are and everyone else needs to earn their role. So I think he'll probably have Grant, Parker and Hernangomez battle each other for mins. And Hauser will even battle them sometimes when he gets called up from maine. And I think Udoka will at least experiment a little bit with playing horford (and maybe even Bruno) at the 4.

We'll see..
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Post#5 » by 1st banana » Fri Sep 3, 2021 7:41 pm

Like the move juancho actually is decent at shooting and at being tall. Sad to see Carson go because he’s a nice dude but happy to see him go because we’ll he just doesn’t have a spot in this league especially on the Celtics.

He should be in China with jimmer lasering 3s to his liking.

Seems like brad has been clearing most of the dead weight on the roster from the last year or two. The only one left is Grant who looks like he’s getting one more year to prove he’s on a pj tuckerish sort of trajectory.
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Post#6 » by 31to6 » Fri Sep 3, 2021 8:49 pm

I'll admit I struggle to differentiate him from his brother, but they both have been annoying in a 'why doesn't this guy SUCK??' sort of way -- also elbowy-instigator sorts who seem to play with some fire -- so I'm glad one of them is on the team. We've needed more size, skill, and DOGS.

I don't expect him to play a lot, but I do expect some Jerebko-ey moments.
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Post#7 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 3, 2021 9:41 pm

Let's all watch and get unrealistic expectations of what he might do for us:

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Post#8 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 3, 2021 9:49 pm

1st banana wrote:Like the move juancho actually is decent at shooting and at being tall. Sad to see Carson go because he’s a nice dude but happy to see him go because we’ll he just doesn’t have a spot in this league especially on the Celtics.

He should be in China with jimmer lasering 3s to his liking.

Seems like brad has been clearing most of the dead weight on the roster from the last year or two. The only one left is Grant who looks like he’s getting one more year to prove he’s on a pj tuckerish sort of trajectory.

Exactly. You look at the guys we had on the team last yr who could be considered dead weight and they're all gone:

Tacko
Edwards
Javonte Green
Ojeleye
Kornet
Mo Wagner
Waters
Teague

All gone.

The only other guys last year who kind of seemed like dead weight at times were Nesmith (that was only 1st half of the year, he was a rookie and clearly he became a better better by the end of the year so not worried about him) and Parker (showed some good flashes when he got a chance, especially in the playoffs, if he's our 15th guy that's not so bad). Grant at times seemed like dead weight but at the end of the day he's a 3 and d guy. He shot 37.2% from 3, which is above the league average of 36.7% and he was one of our best, most versatile defenders. And he isn't even 23 yet so chances are good he'll be even better this season - from pics it looks like he's slimmed down, more beefy and in better shape..

Agreed that Grant could be on a path to be a PJ Tucker/Crowder type player so I have no problem giving him another year to prove himself.

And agreed that Edwards' best move is to try and play overseas somewhere..
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Post#9 » by lon3lytoaster » Fri Sep 3, 2021 9:52 pm

Really like this deal.. swapping out a 4th and 5th string guard for a position we’ve all been clamoring for is a win. Not earth shattering but Brad and team is really in tune with what the roster’s been lacking and is active in addressing it.

Which, that in itself for me is so exciting. Danny not being able to complete deals was getting very problematic.
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Post#10 » by Ben-N1ce » Fri Sep 3, 2021 10:03 pm

Only a good deal if Carsen doesnt end up a perennial Allstar.
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Post#11 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 3, 2021 10:04 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:Only a good deal if Carsen doesnt end up a perennial Allstar.

You're joking, right?

There's literally zero chance that happens.
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Post#12 » by 1st banana » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:41 am

Hal14 wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:Only a good deal if Carsen doesnt end up a perennial Allstar.

You're joking, right?

There's literally zero chance that happens.

And now this all but guarantees Carson edwards will now turn into a Duncan Robinson Gary Neal hybrid and haunt our dreams.
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Post#13 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Sep 4, 2021 1:52 pm

Teague has a ring. Maybe he was dead weight here, but not in Milwaukee. There were 2-3 playoff games the Bucks might not have won had Teague not performed well as Trey Young's backup.
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Post#15 » by Henesey » Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:08 am

Hal14 wrote:
Agreed that Grant could be on a path to be a PJ Tucker/Crowder type player so I have no problem giving him another year to prove himself.


I could see this happening but it will likely be with another team. The problem I envision is that I don't think we will be able to give him the minutes/shots he needs to develop. He also hasn't shown as much on the defensive end as Crowder had at this stage of his career.

FWIW, Jae 'broke out' in 15-16 at age 25 and PJ had to spend 5 years overseas before getting another opportunity in the NBA at 27 so there is definitely time for Gwill.
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Post#16 » by dans1230 » Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:54 am

If Grant could play defense then i could live with his offense. The guy constantly gets beat then fouls (last year 5 fouls per 36) so aside from an occasional hustle play theres really not much production there. At least Jabari will get you points.
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Post#17 » by Hal14 » Wed Sep 8, 2021 1:12 pm

dans1230 wrote:If Grant could play defense then i could live with his offense. The guy constantly gets beat then fouls (last year 5 fouls per 36) so aside from an occasional hustle play theres really not much production there. At least Jabari will get you points.

Not to derail this thread too much into Grant talk, but IMO out of the 21 players who played for the C's last yr, Grant was the 5th best defender after Rob, Smart, langford and Tatum.

While Grant does get beat off the dribble sometimes, when you take a step back and look at the big picture, he's a good, highly switchable defender who has literally guarded 1 through 5 successfully at various times during his 2 yrs with the team:

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Post#18 » by Parliament10 » Wed Sep 8, 2021 1:50 pm

Hal14 wrote:
dans1230 wrote:If Grant could play defense then i could live with his offense. The guy constantly gets beat then fouls (last year 5 fouls per 36) so aside from an occasional hustle play theres really not much production there. At least Jabari will get you points.

Not to derail this thread too much into Grant talk, but IMO out of the 21 players who played for the C's last yr, Grant was the 5th best defender after Rob, Smart, langford and Tatum.

While Grant does get beat off the dribble sometimes, when you take a step back and look at the big picture, he's a good, highly switchable defender who has literally guarded 1 through 5 successfully at various times during his 2 yrs with the team:


Grant does guard 1-5 for short stints.
Let's see how switchable Juancho is.

On another note:
Do y'all think that Hernangómez can be our Starting 4?
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Post#19 » by Henesey » Wed Sep 8, 2021 2:14 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Do y'all think that Hernangómez can be our Starting 4?

If Tatum gets injured then he should be given an opportunity to start some games, otherwise, it's fairly unlikely.

I had a look at the 20-21 Wolves, He started 6 games all season last year all over a 10 day stretch in January where KAT was out for 4/6 games and after that, they went with Vanderbilt or McDaniels over him for the entire season.

He was 12th in average minutes played on the Timberwolves last year where Vanderbilt (30 starts) and McDaniels (27 starts) were ahead of him. Below him in minutes were Culver (gone), Ed Davis (gone), and Layman ($3,940,184 guaranteed likely on the trade block). If the Wolves didn't think he was good enough to start then it's unlikely he will be here.
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Post#20 » by Hal14 » Wed Sep 8, 2021 2:23 pm

Henesey wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Do y'all think that Hernangómez can be our Starting 4?

If Tatum gets injured then he should be given an opportunity to start some games, otherwise, it's fairly unlikely.

I had a look at the 20-21 Wolves, He started 6 games all season last year all over a 10 day stretch in January where KAT was out for 4/6 games and after that, they went with Vanderbilt or McDaniels over him for the entire season.

He was 12th in average minutes played on the Timberwolves last year where Vanderbilt (30 starts) and McDaniels (27 starts) were ahead of him. Below him in minutes were Culver (gone), Ed Davis (gone), and Layman ($3,940,184 guaranteed likely on the trade block). If the Wolves didn't think he was good enough to start then it's unlikely he will be here.

Keep in mind Juancho missed 11 games to health and safety protocols. After he returned there was likely some lingering affects that hindered performance. And then there was the shoulder injury..

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