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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#81 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:59 pm

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cl2117 wrote:Have you considered speaking to a medical professional to have your questions on vaccines explained to you? There are answers to all of your questions.

The vaccines are not 100% effective. They provide significant protection from the virus, but it is still possible to catch and transmit it. So those who are vaccinated can still be at risk (especially if they have co-morbidities). Getting people vaccinated won't completley eliminate the risk, but it seriously reduces it and exponentially so as more of the population does.

Additionally, the more the virus spreads the more likely it mutates. These mutations, like the Delta variant, can make the virus more contagious/dangerous. Therefore reducing the spread makes it less likely it mutates and more likely that our vaccines will remain largely effective against the virus.

The vaccine doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worthwhile for every American to get it. Please speak to your local physician and have your questions answered.


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What do you expect them to say? That it's not safe? That it's essentially an experimental vaccine? I mean they literally had to change the definition of what a vaccine is leading up to this.
The CDC downgraded the DEFINITION of 'vaccine' from a product that produces immunity to a preparation for protection.

Old definition:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce IMMUNITY to a specific disease

New Definition:
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce PROTECTION from a specific disease.



Let's just brush that change right under the rug. So by the current definition, vitamins, zinc, etc are a vaccine?

FOLLOW THE MONEY in all directions. You will start to change the way you think about all of this.

Please get help. Speak to a qualified medical professional.

You are chasing your tail here. It is not a worldwide conspiracy. This is not about "big pharma". This is about saving lives. Please do your part and stop spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation.


brother I don't need help. I have a beach house, beautiful family, friends, and a good job that pays for it all. Just because we disagree doesn't mean I need help.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#82 » by SuperDeluxe » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:59 pm

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And they are a medical doctor who thinks that believes the CDC is lying to us?

I'm sorry I just can't believe that they are a qualified medical professional if so. Mainly because you have said multiple things that show that you don't understand how vaccines work (e.g why does it matter that you get vaccinated to protects others, even vaccinated others). Either they are giving you incorrect answers or you are misunderstanding what they are saying. Either way you are clearly misinformed.

Please speak to the medical professional at your local Dr's office.


Yes. CDC is absolutely in cahoots with all of this. 100%.

Agreed. And the CDC of every country in the world is in cahoots too. This is a worldwide conspiracy of big pharma, who are raking in all the money while the rest of the economy crumbles, and all the governments are fine with the plan. Makes sense to me.
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Post#83 » by exculpatory » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:02 pm

I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.
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Post#84 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:16 pm

exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.
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Post#85 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:23 pm

exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.

Sure he has a right to have an opinion.
But the Covid opinion of an ignorant/obtuse conspiracist is to the opinion of an experienced well read physician as the hoop skills of Larry Bird, Paul Pierce & Michael Jordan are to the hoop skills of a newborn.

I hope that Darwin does not end up making a visit to his life.


I believe in Jesus Christ, love, compassion, and the constitution, my friend. Take your theories elsewhere. So many holes in it.
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Post#86 » by SuperDeluxe » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:28 pm

This is the fifth I know of. So if you're a radio host you're in a high risk group, it looks like.

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Post#87 » by exculpatory » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:30 pm

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.


Once again:

The COVID SCIENCE OPINION of a totally misinformed/obtuse conspiracist is to the COVID SCIENCE OPINION of an experienced well read physician as the hoop skills of a newborn are to the hoop skills of Larry Bird, Paul Pierce & Michael Jordan.

Good bye, DDB.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#88 » by cl2117 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:31 pm

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.

Don't you dare ever invoke Normandy, D-Day or any other moment where Americans sacrificed for the greater good then. You are unwilling to sacrifice even a modicum of your freedom to save others and then have the audacity to suggest others are pathetic for doing so.

You are woefully misguided. I do not think you are a lost cause. Please speak with medical professionals at your local doctor's office. There are many of your beliefs that I think can be easily explained/disproven. Please, I've sadly lost multiple people at this stage. Do your part.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#89 » by ballup » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:36 pm

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.
So I'm assuming you never opted to have any of your children get the vaccines for Hep A, Hep B, MMR, measles, HPV, and the others in the dozen of vaccines that many schools require?

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Post#90 » by celtics543 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:25 pm

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.


Wouldn't that Thomas Jefferson quote also apply to things like drunk driving, wearing a seat belt, or speeding? We have a lot of laws against things in order to insure public safety. I'm not really trying to argue with you because I do tend to agree that your medical decisions are yours. I believe you should have a choice in vaccinations you put in your body and I believe women should have a choice as it relates to early term abortions. What I'm not for is freedom of choice without consequences. You should have the freedom not to vaccinate yourself but then you should be prepared to live with the consequences, whether that's an inability to get into a concert or restaurant or whatever. Kids can't go to school without certain vaccines. I can't drive a car without a license. I get arrested if I don't pay taxes which are used to pay for things that in some cases don't benefit me. We have a TON of things in this country that take away some of your freedoms for public safety or public benefit.

If I decide not to vaccinate my children then I understand they can't go to public school because that puts an undue risk on other kids. I understand if I drive without a license I could be arrested. I understand that if I get drunk and crash into someone and kill them then I will go to jail for a long time. My frustration with people who aren't vaccinated isn't that they made a decision I don't like, it's that they think they should also be immune to the consequences of not getting it. As a society we set up rules and consequences for not adhering to those rules. Every society has a similar set up. Now you may think this is an unjust rule and like many revolutionaries before you it is time to change the rules, which is also fair.

Basically I don't think anyone can tell you how to feel. It's incomprehensible to me that someone wouldn't want to get vaccinated and avoid what can be really harsh effects of full blown COVID but there are lots of things that are incomprehensible to me and make sense to other people. I just think it's fair to expect that some people aren't going to want to associate with you during a pandemic when you aren't taking certain precautions.

I do have a question though, what is it that you think the conspiracy is? I've heard a lot of conspiracies and none of them make sense. The vaccine is a tracker. Well most people have a phone which does that anyway. The vaccine will kill us. Why would the government want to kill the ones who do as their told, wouldn't they want the nonfollowers to be the ones to go? It's big pharma trying to take over. Big pharma is going to bankrupt the world so they can sell drugs to who? It's political. Both sides have taken the vaccine, only republicans by and large won't admit it because they know it hurts them with their base, even Trump was booed in Alabama for saying he took the vaccine.

The effects are kind of indisputable. Death rates have gone down since the vaccine became widely available so we know it works at least somewhat well in preventing death. Kids are back in school full time in a lot of places, most masked but still a marked improvement over virtual learning. I'm just not sure what you think the end game of all of this is going to be but I'd be interested in learning?
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#91 » by cheezone » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:33 pm

I will not live in fear all these Karens on here with their fear mongering, do as you please get vaccinated 10x if you want but leave us patriots alone. We do not need your poison, period.

I’m a first responder worked throughout the entire pandemic no covid and still covid free. You guys need to stop, this is America the land of the free. I’ve fought for this country and continue to put my life on the line and will continue to do so. I will do that wether your vaccinated or not and that’s just how it is.

Listen if your that scared live in a bubble, stay home wear 5 mask whatever makes you feel comfortable. Stop trying to take my freedoms away.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#92 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:34 pm

exculpatory wrote:
ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.


Once again:

The COVID SCIENCE OPINION of a totally misinformed/obtuse conspiracist is to the COVID SCIENCE OPINION of an experienced well read physician as the hoop skills of a newborn are to the hoop skills of Larry Bird, Paul Pierce & Michael Jordan.

Good bye, DDB.


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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#93 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:36 pm

ballup wrote:
ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.
So I'm assuming you never opted to have any of your children get the vaccines for Hep A, Hep B, MMR, measles, HPV, and the others in the dozen of vaccines that many schools require?

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that is correct. 2 of my 4 are completely unvaxxed and healthy as they come. older two I stopped after a scare that we had with my 2nd. she was talkative, smiley, energetic...at her 1-year well visit she had her shots....cried for days...became a mute...lost her personality, blank stares...lasted about a year. we stopped right then and there. fortunately, we stopped early enough as she has bounced back and is a beautiful, happy, smart 6 year old now.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#94 » by MagicBagley18 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:36 pm

ddb wrote:
cl2117 wrote:
Tyakack wrote:I don't normally like talking about this but just wanted to share something I came across that apparently facebook censored, *not surprised*. A father named, "Ernest Ramirez" had his 16 year old son die recently after taking the covid vaccine. He died just a few days later after taking it. The father was heartbroken over it.

I'm sharing this because I know none of you are gonna hear about it from the mainstream media since it goes against their agenda. Nobody is talking about this. Look up the name of the father if you wanna read about it yourself.

You won't hear about it because the vaccine wasn't the cause of his death. He had an enlarged heart, which is sadly why he died.

Nothing to do with the vaccine. The vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone should take it. Stop spreading misinformation please.


it's safe because you're a tenured Dr and you know for sure? Or are you just going with what the CDC and President are saying? Follow the money my friend. Follow the money. That's what it's always about. They don't give 2 sh&ts about your health. I'm sorry that you don't realize that. Vaccinations are a choice. If it's something you want to do, do it. If it's not, don't. Period.

Peak active cases in 2020- 9,034,460. vaccinated 0%
Peak active cases in 2021- 9,243,682. vaccinated "71%"

also from the CDC. Among 378,048 death certs from 2020 listing Covid-19, 5.5% listed Covid-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certs with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occuring diagnosis of plausible chain-of-event condition in 2020.

So your point works both ways. So essentially that less then 1% mortality rate from covid-19 is even far less than that.....

What a nation that actually cared about your health would do is test you for antibodies. But they won't....they want cases, and cases, and cases...they want forced vaccination cards, mandates, etc. they want to know everything about your health.

America once stormed the beaches of Normandy.. Now we have a nation paranoid about a less than 1% chance of death from a virus that may or may not be MAN MADE. Talk about forking over your freedoms. It's pathetic. And if you don't realize what is really going on than I'm sorry but you are pathetic to.

We have stadiums of 75k maskless, probably half unvaccinated people....that's fine. but they want to mask our children at school. The list goes on and on. nothing about covid has ever been consistent or scientific. ****, most of it makes zero sense at all.



Personally, I prefer when you make insider stuff up like that beal trade that was “coming soon” that you based entirely off tweets on the internet. “Spurs are a dark horse” lol.
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Post#95 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:38 pm

cl2117 wrote:
ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:I have had to block him.
Lost cause.
Pathetic.


I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.

Don't you dare ever invoke Normandy, D-Day or any other moment where Americans sacrificed for the greater good then. You are unwilling to sacrifice even a modicum of your freedom to save others and then have the audacity to suggest others are pathetic for doing so.

You are woefully misguided. I do not think you are a lost cause. Please speak with medical professionals at your local doctor's office. There are many of your beliefs that I think can be easily explained/disproven. Please, I've sadly lost multiple people at this stage. Do your part.


you have it all backwards, but whatever. your mind is set. as is mine.
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Post#96 » by ddb » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:39 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
ddb wrote:
cl2117 wrote:You won't hear about it because the vaccine wasn't the cause of his death. He had an enlarged heart, which is sadly why he died.

Nothing to do with the vaccine. The vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone should take it. Stop spreading misinformation please.


it's safe because you're a tenured Dr and you know for sure? Or are you just going with what the CDC and President are saying? Follow the money my friend. Follow the money. That's what it's always about. They don't give 2 sh&ts about your health. I'm sorry that you don't realize that. Vaccinations are a choice. If it's something you want to do, do it. If it's not, don't. Period.

Peak active cases in 2020- 9,034,460. vaccinated 0%
Peak active cases in 2021- 9,243,682. vaccinated "71%"

also from the CDC. Among 378,048 death certs from 2020 listing Covid-19, 5.5% listed Covid-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certs with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occuring diagnosis of plausible chain-of-event condition in 2020.

So your point works both ways. So essentially that less then 1% mortality rate from covid-19 is even far less than that.....

What a nation that actually cared about your health would do is test you for antibodies. But they won't....they want cases, and cases, and cases...they want forced vaccination cards, mandates, etc. they want to know everything about your health.

America once stormed the beaches of Normandy.. Now we have a nation paranoid about a less than 1% chance of death from a virus that may or may not be MAN MADE. Talk about forking over your freedoms. It's pathetic. And if you don't realize what is really going on than I'm sorry but you are pathetic to.

We have stadiums of 75k maskless, probably half unvaccinated people....that's fine. but they want to mask our children at school. The list goes on and on. nothing about covid has ever been consistent or scientific. ****, most of it makes zero sense at all.



Personally, I prefer when you make insider stuff up like that beal trade that was “coming soon” that you based entirely off tweets on the internet. “Spurs are a dark horse” lol.


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Post#97 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:56 pm

SuperDeluxe wrote:This is the fifth I know of. So if you're a radio host you're in a high risk group, it looks like.

Read on Twitter


They're dying like flies, and then criticizing the hospitals for not treating covid with horse medicine. Meanwhile, the number of cases of people poisoned by ivermectin has skyrocketed.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Delta Variant) 

Post#98 » by cl2117 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:03 pm

ddb wrote:
cl2117 wrote:
ddb wrote:
I feel the same way about you.

"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." - Thomas Jefferson

And for the record. I'm not against you getting vaccinated. You have the right to make that decision for yourself, and for your family. I AM, however, 100% against tyranny and forced/mandating vaccines. And you should be too. There is a heck of a lot going on behind the curtains. You can say that some of my opinions on certain things "conspiracies" all you want. That's fine. One of the early "conspiracies" was that this was all about universal vaccination mandates. Gates partially behind it. Obviously there's a lot more to it. Getting to that magic 70% worldwide. And all of those conspiracies are realities now. There's a long list of examples like this.

Don't you dare ever invoke Normandy, D-Day or any other moment where Americans sacrificed for the greater good then. You are unwilling to sacrifice even a modicum of your freedom to save others and then have the audacity to suggest others are pathetic for doing so.

You are woefully misguided. I do not think you are a lost cause. Please speak with medical professionals at your local doctor's office. There are many of your beliefs that I think can be easily explained/disproven. Please, I've sadly lost multiple people at this stage. Do your part.


you have it all backwards, but whatever. your mind is set. as is mine.

I'm sorry you're this stupid and stubborn.
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Post#99 » by exculpatory » Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:31 pm

I am truly nauseated by DDB & a few other completely uninformed, delusional & willfully ignorant dweebs who are currently posting in this thread.
What DDB has decided for his kids is really & truly an abomination.
You are the people who are perpetuating this pandemic.
And if & when you become seriously ill with Covid, you will be begging for the vaccine - but it will be too late.
You will also be using up an ICU bed - that a deserving patient may be denied possibly leading to his/her demise.

I want nothing whatsoever to do with any of you in the future in any way, shape or form.
Please block me because I sure as **** am blocking you all forever.
You are truly the trash heap of American society.
Sooner or later, the Darwin effect will enter some aspect of your lives, & you will pay the piper.
Survival of the fittest applies to both physical attributes & intelligence.
Some people are just too **** stupid to survive.
Ignorance combined with bravado is a lethal combination.
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Post#100 » by Parliament10 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:36 pm

cl2117 wrote:
ddb wrote:
cl2117 wrote:Don't you dare ever invoke Normandy, D-Day or any other moment where Americans sacrificed for the greater good then. You are unwilling to sacrifice even a modicum of your freedom to save others and then have the audacity to suggest others are pathetic for doing so.

You are woefully misguided. I do not think you are a lost cause. Please speak with medical professionals at your local doctor's office. There are many of your beliefs that I think can be easily explained/disproven. Please, I've sadly lost multiple people at this stage. Do your part.


you have it all backwards, but whatever. your mind is set. as is mine.

I'm sorry you're this stupid and stubborn.

Try not to resort to name calling.

~ Parl
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~ Marcus Smart

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