Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

Celts17Pride · Post #1681 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon May 9, 2022 2:40 pm

Really doesn't matter, it didn't count. Time to move on.

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #1682 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Tue May 10, 2022 2:17 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Do we have Horford thread ? I couldn't find one that's not about his contract specifically and with the post season around the corner, Playoff Al is about to be activated so I need to know what thread to bump when the time comes.

Meanwhile, Il'll just drop this friendly reminder that in his 15-year career Horford has missed the playoffs only once and that particular year his team shut him down because he was winning them too many games. Add two national championships in college too. He's pretty good at the winning basketball games thing.

Just dropping by to confirm that Playoff Al is indeed back

I'd like to amend my last message to say that Playoff Al is in fact better than ever. What a baller.

sam_I_am · Post #1683 » by **sam_I_am** » Tue May 10, 2022 12:30 pm

Teams that win game 5 after 2-2 tie win 82% of the time at 183-39. Since Doc Rivers coached 36/39 of those losses, I would say game 5 is a must win game!

Tyakack · Post #1684 » by **Tyakack** » Tue May 10, 2022 1:09 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Teams that win game 5 after 2-2 tie win 82% of the time at 183-39. Since Doc Rivers coached 36/39 of those losses, I would say game 5 is a must win game!

Wow, that stat is insane. I'm on record saying I don't think next game is MUST win....but obviously it improves our chances greatly.. And luckily that game is at home. Let's do it.

WigginsNation · Post #1685 » by **WigginsNation** » Thu May 12, 2022 1:49 am

Celtics have had a remarkable season, and coming back from being down 3-2 would be even more remarkable. Smart and Tatum will be better than ever and will be at their best next game. Keep the faith Celtic fans

Bostondave · Post #1686 » by **Bostondave** » Thu May 12, 2022 4:21 am

How can you have faith in this team? You don't know which team is going to show up almost by quarter, much less by game. It's too maddening and frustrating for me. I'm a Celtic through and through but I'm also honest and a realist. This team doesn't have the mental toughness. Yet. Perhaps never will. THe mental toughness is where you get the consistency from. To do certain things the same way up to a point. The mental toughness gives you wherewithal to withstand the pressure. You don't fold, don't shake, don't quake, don't disintergrate. This team could blow the Bucks out next game or get blown out. There's a problem there. Something not right. These core guys are young but they're experienced. JB's first year he went to the ECF, JT's first year he went. Smart and Horford were there for both runs and those were some mighty struggles. They're young but they should have more mental toughness than they're showing.

***These guys are 5 and 6 year vets at this point. Horford much more. I think Smart 8 years. All with championship experience. C'mon man!!!! WTF?

FlatearthZorro · Post #1687 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Thu May 12, 2022 5:44 am

Well, sadly, to me this year seems like a pretty good chance to win a title with Horford still on board. Right now, it's unlikely.

Smart with 3 horrible plays in a row. How the **** do you try to take the last 2 shots in 2 different games against MIL when you have Brown/Tatum/Horford on your team....

FlatearthZorro · Post #1688 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Thu May 12, 2022 5:45 am

WigginsNation wrote:Celtics have had a remarkable season, and coming back from being down 3-2 would be even more remarkable. Smart and Tatum will be better than ever and will be at their best next game. Keep the faith Celtic fans

That will be a tough game, I expect the Bucks to come out firing. Sad part, is that we're supposed to be better on paper, especially when Middleton isn't playing.

Afam · Post #1689 » by **Afam** » Thu May 12, 2022 6:39 am

Bucks will come out firing . ECF is on the line . Celtics best hope is to come out firing. Play elite defense and build a big lead

Afam · Post #1690 » by **Afam** » Thu May 12, 2022 6:47 am

What a way to end the season with a loss. You want to believe they can still win but it is going to be tough. The margins for errors is zero now . The whole team can’t play bad on offense and defense, no turnovers.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1691 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu May 12, 2022 7:25 am

Tyakack wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Teams that win game 5 after 2-2 tie win 82% of the time at 183-39. Since Doc Rivers coached 36/39 of those losses, I would say game 5 is a must win game!

Wow, that stat is insane. I'm on record saying I don't think next game is MUST win....but obviously it improves our chances greatly.. And luckily that game is at home. Let's do it.

If each game were a pure 50-50 coinflip, the probability would be 75%.

If each game were a 70-30 advantage for the home team, the probability would be 79%.

So 82% shouldn't surprise anybody, except perhaps in how low it is.

Cuban Pete · Post #1692 » by **Cuban Pete** » Thu May 12, 2022 5:56 pm

WigginsNation wrote:Celtics have had a remarkable season, and coming back from being down 3-2 would be even more remarkable. Smart and Tatum will be better than ever and will be at their best next game. Keep the faith Celtic fans

If the Cs lose this series, major changes need to be made from the top down. If they get eliminated and Stevens/Udoka return next season, then the Cs will only have one issue - dispassionate ownership. The core roster and upper management are getting long in the tooth and have 7 seasons of playoff futility to show for it. This was a game they gave away. I find that remarkable.

Cuban Pete · Post #1693 » by **Cuban Pete** » Thu May 12, 2022 6:02 pm

The Cs lost because they let the 'other guys' beat them. You're not going to shutdown Giannis. He got his 40. The other guys got 70. That's how you lose.
3pt Shooting
Connaughton 3-5
Matthews 3-6
Holliday 4-7

The Bucks surrounded Giannis with shooters. The Cs surrounded Tatum with defenders and athletic types. I give the Bucks kudos.

BK_2020 · Post #1694 » by **BK_2020** » Thu May 12, 2022 7:49 pm

Cuban Pete wrote:The Cs lost because they let the 'other guys' beat them. You're not going to shutdown Giannis. He got his 40. The other guys got 70. That's how you lose.
3pt Shooting
Connaughton 3-5
Matthews 3-6
Holliday 4-7

The Bucks surrounded Giannis with shooters. The Cs surrounded Tatum with defenders and athletic types. I give the Bucks kudos.

Connaughton was a .330 shooter when they signed him. He was known mostly for jumping very high. Jrue Holiday was a Marcus Smart-level shooter for his entire career until he joined the Bucks. Jrue's calling card was his defense. Wes Matthews used to be a shooter but he not this season and he hasn't been for the past 5 years. Bucks surrounded Giannis with athletic defenders and dudes willing to play for the minimum, and they suddenly became good shooters. I wonder why.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1695 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu May 12, 2022 7:55 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Cuban Pete wrote:The Cs lost because they let the 'other guys' beat them. You're not going to shutdown Giannis. He got his 40. The other guys got 70. That's how you lose.
3pt Shooting
Connaughton 3-5
Matthews 3-6
Holliday 4-7

The Bucks surrounded Giannis with shooters. The Cs surrounded Tatum with defenders and athletic types. I give the Bucks kudos.

Connaughton was a .330 shooter when they signed him. He was known mostly for jumping very high. Jrue Holiday was a Marcus Smart-level shooter for his entire career until he joined the Bucks. Jrue's calling card was his defense. Wes Matthews used to be a shooter but he not this season and he hasn't been for the past 5 years. Bucks surrounded Giannis with athletic defenders and dudes willing to play for the minimum, and they suddenly became good shooters. I wonder why.

5 of the 8 main Cs rotation guys are also shooting 38.5+% from 3 in the semis. 33.3% by Theis is decent for a big. You know who's not shooting well from 3 besides Pritchard (who's a known knockdown shooter)? Jayson Tatum. Wide open shots too.

Post #1696 » by **zimpy27** » Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 am

Conley for White may make a bit of sense.

There have been points in the playoffs where having a cooler headed playmaker would be needed.

What do you guys think?

Larry_Russell · Post #1697 » by **Larry_Russell** » Fri May 13, 2022 12:05 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Conley for White may make a bit of sense.

There have been points in the playoffs where having a cooler headed playmaker would be needed.

What do you guys think?

I like it.

Although I think the team will be looking at a bigger prize this offseason. IE: Beal.

Also, I have to imagine that Embbids buddy Tatum is going to start talking to him soon too.
If Embiid decides he is sick of getting wasted in Philly I can see him wanting out.

Smart
Beal
Brown
Tatum
Embiid

That would be a lot of fun. lol

Fencer reregistered · Post #1698 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 am

zimpy27 wrote:Conley for White may make a bit of sense.

There have been points in the playoffs where having a cooler headed playmaker would be needed.

What do you guys think?

I think the model of no-weak-links defense is working well.

White for Conley would be a talent downgrade and a fit downgrade alike.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1699 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat May 14, 2022 7:56 am

In the bubble year the Celtics swept the first round.

Then in the second round they faced the defending champions, who however had had a talent downgrade. The series went to 7 games due to late-game execution problems; it shouldn't have been that close.

Then in the ECF they played Miami.

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #1700 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Sat May 14, 2022 12:13 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Conley for White may make a bit of sense.

There have been points in the playoffs where having a cooler headed playmaker would be needed.

What do you guys think?

Conley is older, has a bigger contract and is a worse fit in the Celtics system. It might just be a small sample size but it's hard to look at Conley's series against Dallas and argue he's a better player than White right now.

There's no point in bringing in a point guard of Conley's caliber. Tatum and Brown are still going to have the ball in their hands at the end of games, they have to learn to close better. Now if it's a guy like Chris Paul that can command the ball in the last two minutes that's a different story but that ship has sailed unfortunately.