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Re: Grant Williams Thread 

Post#761 » by Cricket23 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 5:06 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:Yeah but if the Celtics didn't have Grant Williams, but had, PJ Tucker, do they lose to the Bucks? I think we are not talking about the same things here. I am trying to dispute the notion that Grant Williams is crucial in an absolute sense, i.e. that he's some kind of a Giannis-stopper who is necessary to stopping Giannis. I think he does good things on defense that work well in synergy with other defensive strengths. However, I also think that there's a number of players who can do what Grant does.
If you took an 8 man rotation and took away someone, yes it's going to hurt the team. In that sense, we _needed_ Grant to win against the Bucks. But I don't think Brad goes into the off-season thinking Grant Williams must be resigned at all costs or we can never win against the Bucks.


I would rather have Grant at his future contract and age than Tucker at his current contract and age. I don't disagree that he's limited and possibly overvalued, but you also can't let an asset walk for nothing even if you have a comparable replacement, which they don't. That's bad asset management. I'm not sure what you're arguing; you think they should let him walk for nothing?

I'm saying something that's very basic which you apparently agree with. Grant Williams is a useful player and an asset, but he's not essential. He's not crucial to defending Giannis, and he's not one of the best Giannis- Jokic- defenders in the league. If the choice is between letting him walk and overpaying him, then you let him walk and get someone with the T-MLE. Letting a role player walk for nothing isn't ideal but it's far better than overpaying a role player you don't value at that price point.
Age is really kinda pointless in this discussion. Youth is valuable because younger players are typically more athletic, come cheaper, and improve. An overpaid Grant would offer none of the things that make youth valuable.


I bring up youth because if they re-sign him at a salary they may see as a little high, they could still turn around and trade him for value as he's not in his prime yet. I guess saying he's one of the best Giannis defenders is somewhat relative? I would say he's in the top 5 to 10% of players in the NBA for defending Giannis. To me that means 1 of the best but to you it may not. Nobody can stop him but I'd guess the average team has 1 or 2 players who can put up a good fight. I'd say we have 3 players who can do that. Some teams have none.
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Re: Grant Williams Thread 

Post#762 » by Celts17Pride » Sat Jan 28, 2023 5:27 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Grant Williams is a useful player and an asset, but he's not essential.


Agree with this completely.
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Post#763 » by BK_2020 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 5:27 pm

Cricket23 wrote:I bring up youth because if they re-sign him at a salary they may see as a little high, they could still turn around and trade him for value as he's not in his prime yet.

Overpaying a player in the hopes of trading him later rarely works out. The reason why should be obvious. Why would anyone want a player who was overpaid the day the contract was signed? The Hawks have been trying to unload John Collins ever since they signed him and they may end up having to attach a pick to do so.
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Re: Grant Williams Thread 

Post#764 » by Cricket23 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:40 pm

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Cricket23 wrote:I bring up youth because if they re-sign him at a salary they may see as a little high, they could still turn around and trade him for value as he's not in his prime yet.

Overpaying a player in the hopes of trading him later rarely works out. The reason why should be obvious. Why would anyone want a player who was overpaid the day the contract was signed? The Hawks have been trying to unload John Collins ever since they signed him and they may end up having to attach a pick to do so.


Whatever they pay him will presumably be dictated by whatever offers he receives elsewhere. Whatever offer they match, it'll mean there was another team willing to give it to him.
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Post#765 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:01 pm

Grant Williams has been improving every single year. Personally, I'd roll the dice and pay him the money as long as it's either reasonable or slightly overpaid, in hopes that he meets that expectation.
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Post#766 » by shackles10 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:46 pm

I’d like to keep but they’ve got to set a limit. I’m not sure what that limit is, but it’s as much the value of Grant as it is the lack of options to replace him if we lose him.
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Post#767 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:33 pm

Grant is among the finalists for Teammate of the Year. Despite missing both free throws in the loss to Cleveland.

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Post#768 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:28 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Grant is among the finalists for Teammate of the Year. Despite missing both free throws in the loss to Cleveland.

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40% of the teams have a candidate. (12 of 30)
Having one of them be a guy who was traded at the deadline seems a bit weird.
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Post#769 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:37 am

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Post#771 » by Scoonie » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:43 pm

I don't think Grant will get offers more than the Mid-Level Exception this offseason. I don't see any of the few (around 7) teams with cap space using that cap space on Grant.

Hey may not even get MLE offers, since he's a Restricted Free Agent and teams know that Boston will just match.

We should be able to keep him at an affordable price if we choose. I hope that he is back next year with us.
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Post#772 » by Scoonie » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:24 pm

Dogen wrote:Celtics win despite Smart having -1 points for the game.
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Post#773 » by ballup » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:58 pm

Scoonie wrote:I don't think Grant will get offers more than the Mid-Level Exception this offseason. I don't see any of the few (around 7) teams with cap space using that cap space on Grant.

Hey may not even get MLE offers, since he's a Restricted Free Agent and teams know that Boston will just match.

We should be able to keep him at an affordable price if we choose. I hope that he is back next year with us.


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Post#775 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:36 am

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Post#776 » by playa-hater » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:21 am

Actually think what Grant did yesterday was extremely surprising and difficult. To have played bad for so long.. taken out of the rotation in the playoffs, yet come in that focused and able to go 4 for 4 from 3 is no easy task.

Unfortunately, in a loss this may have been overlooked. Nice to know that he can step up if called upon again.

Probably will be if Smart misses time.
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Post#777 » by sam_I_am » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:14 am

Watching Dillon Brooks and Roddy brick so many open looks tonight makes me appreciate Grant a little more.
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Post#778 » by _Und3r][D4wg_ » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:06 am

It was a bit of a surprise that, after a pretty good showing in limited minutes at Game 3, he wasn't given similar PT again last game to continue his gradual ramp-up for what is expected to be a more substantial role in Round 2 vs. the Sixers.
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Post#779 » by Hal14 » Wed May 24, 2023 10:11 pm

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This is why the celtics MUST resign him. You have a guy who's this level of a playoff performer, and he's still only 24. Has been a contributor in the playoffs for 4 years now - every year, including his rookie year.

Size, shooting, defensive versatility. Keep him.

Has really good toughness (had his head smashed into the floor by Embiid and came right back in the game). And the other intangible he has is confidence. Sometimes he gets overconfident and it gets him in trouble (like telling Mitchell he'll make em both, or talking trash to Butler or talking too much smack to the refs) but having good self confidence is a key trait to look for in guys who will stay in this league and be really good players.

Hopefully him and Brad can agree on a team-friendly deal that works for both sides.

My only concern is that some other team might come along and offer him more money and/or a starting lineup spot, which we likely will not offer him. We want to keep him as a key player off the bench..

And what if Brad won't go higher than $13 mil a year, but another team offers him $18 mil?
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Re: Grant Williams Thread 

Post#780 » by BK_2020 » Wed May 24, 2023 10:12 pm

Maybe at $5 mil. a year or something. Otherwise pass.

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