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Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need to waste a first on a rim running big. Kamagate and/or Nzosa should be there in the second round. And Bol Bol is already a Celtic (at least for now).
In the first round, Jovic looks like a very good fit. Very nice three point stroke and he can pass and handle.
Bol is a non factor he is getting traded
Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need to waste a first on a rim running big. Kamagate and/or Nzosa should be there in the second round. And Bol Bol is already a Celtic (at least for now).
In the first round, Jovic looks like a very good fit. Very nice three point stroke and he can pass and handle.
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Hal14 wrote:Interesting sleeper / shooter... might be a reach to take him in the 1st round but absolutely could be a steal in the 2nd round..
How would you rate him compared to Procida who's another shooter that's been getting some draft buzz ?
Duke4life831 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need to waste a first on a rim running big. Kamagate and/or Nzosa should be there in the second round. And Bol Bol is already a Celtic (at least for now).
In the first round, Jovic looks like a very good fit. Very nice three point stroke and he can pass and handle.
I doubt Jovic will be still on the board when you guys draft and I dont think having Bol on the roster is any kind of a factor. But ya I agree with your main point, you dont waste an early or mid 1st on a rim running big.
Bigs like this really shouldn't start being discussed until late 1st at best. I mean just take Robert Williams and his draft for example. Rob went with the 27th overall pick and Mitchell Robinson went early 2nd round. Gafford the next year went in the 2nd round.
I dont think taking a rim running defensive 5 is ever worth wasting a top 20 pick on. Too often you can find really good ones past that point.
Curmudgeon wrote:Who knows about Bol Bol? If his bad feet aren't chronic he might turn into something.
There is always some tall international guy available in the second round who is probably as good as most of the big men taken in the first round. Maybe even the next Jokic LOL.
If Jovic is off the board I don't know who I would take, but it wouldn't be Mark Williams. I would seriously consider trading the pick for a 2023 first rounder. That draft will have the real fireworks.
Duke4life831 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need to waste a first on a rim running big. Kamagate and/or Nzosa should be there in the second round. And Bol Bol is already a Celtic (at least for now).
In the first round, Jovic looks like a very good fit. Very nice three point stroke and he can pass and handle.
I doubt Jovic will be still on the board when you guys draft and I dont think having Bol on the roster is any kind of a factor. But ya I agree with your main point, you dont waste an early or mid 1st on a rim running big.
Bigs like this really shouldn't start being discussed until late 1st at best. I mean just take Robert Williams and his draft for example. Rob went with the 27th overall pick and Mitchell Robinson went early 2nd round. Gafford the next year went in the 2nd round.
I dont think taking a rim running defensive 5 is ever worth wasting a top 20 pick on. Too often you can find really good ones past that point.
Hal14 wrote:Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Hal14 wrote:Interesting sleeper / shooter... might be a reach to take him in the 1st round but absolutely could be a steal in the 2nd round..
How would you rate him compared to Procida who's another shooter that's been getting some draft buzz ?
Good question. I would probably say Procida has the higher upside/ceiling since he's 3" taller while being just as quick, a little bit more athletic and is a year and a half younger. So I'd probably rate Procida as the better long term prospect but since he's a year and a half younger - and also because he has a much skinnier frame he's a little bit more of a project that will need some time to keep working on his game and get stronger physically.
Procida is probably a draft and stash candidate, whereas Bortolani strikes me as someone who is more plug and play, could probably come in and contribute and start knocking down shots from day 1..
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need to waste a first on a rim running big. Kamagate and/or Nzosa should be there in the second round. And Bol Bol is already a Celtic (at least for now).
In the first round, Jovic looks like a very good fit. Very nice three point stroke and he can pass and handle.
I doubt Jovic will be still on the board when you guys draft and I dont think having Bol on the roster is any kind of a factor. But ya I agree with your main point, you dont waste an early or mid 1st on a rim running big.
Bigs like this really shouldn't start being discussed until late 1st at best. I mean just take Robert Williams and his draft for example. Rob went with the 27th overall pick and Mitchell Robinson went early 2nd round. Gafford the next year went in the 2nd round.
I dont think taking a rim running defensive 5 is ever worth wasting a top 20 pick on. Too often you can find really good ones past that point.
I agree with the general sentiment. When it comes to defensive centers, I'd rather pay the minimum to McGee or another veteran rim protector than spending a pick and three years on teaching a kid how to defend a pick and roll at the NBA level.
There are always exceptions though. If I remember correctly Adebayo was seen as a rim runner exclusively coming out of college but Miami correctly identified there was more to his game than what he showed at Kentucky. I think that if you take a big early you have to be sure that he can provide some other skills offensively beyond finishing as a roll man. That's why Kamagate is somewhat intriguing. His skill set goes beyond just dunking lobs. Now whether that will translate at the NBA level, that remains to be seen. At least, givenn the fact that rim protectors like Capela and Gobert have transitioned well from the french league to the NBA so there's some optimism that his core skill will still be an asset at the next level.
But yeah it's a lot more palatable picking a guy in his mold 25th than 15th.
Hal14 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need to waste a first on a rim running big. Kamagate and/or Nzosa should be there in the second round. And Bol Bol is already a Celtic (at least for now).
In the first round, Jovic looks like a very good fit. Very nice three point stroke and he can pass and handle.
I doubt Jovic will be still on the board when you guys draft and I dont think having Bol on the roster is any kind of a factor. But ya I agree with your main point, you dont waste an early or mid 1st on a rim running big.
Bigs like this really shouldn't start being discussed until late 1st at best. I mean just take Robert Williams and his draft for example. Rob went with the 27th overall pick and Mitchell Robinson went early 2nd round. Gafford the next year went in the 2nd round.
I dont think taking a rim running defensive 5 is ever worth wasting a top 20 pick on. Too often you can find really good ones past that point.
Jovic might be there. Most mock drafts/ big boards i'm seeing he is anywhere in the 11-22 range. Tankathon has him go 16th in this mock, 1 spot before our pick at 17:
https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
Depending on where we end up picking, if he is still on the board at that point he is absolutely a guy we should at least consider taking.
Hal14 wrote:If we do decide to go after a PG, this guy could be a nice sleeper:
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Looks like a legit pass-first PG who's biggest strength is being a true floor general, facilitator, runs the offense, directs traffic, creates quality shots for teammates. Doesn't look for his own shot but if you leave him open he can score either by taking it to the rim and scoring inside or hitting the 3 (shooting 50% from 3 but on low volume cause he's a pass-first guy who doesn't shoot as much) but if you leave him open he can knock it down. Defense looks decent too, and he's listed at 6'6" but looks closer to 6'4" or 6'5".
Looks like we could probably get him in the 2nd round too, unless he keeps crushing it then his stock might rise to the point where he's a 1st rounder. He's playing in ACB, the top league in europe..
Hal14 wrote:the more games like this he has, the less likely he is to fall to us, but i would love it if we took this guy in the 1st round..
playa-hater wrote:Hal14 wrote:the more games like this he has, the less likely he is to fall to us, but i would love it if we took this guy in the 1st round..
Is he A3...4 or more of a 4 does he even shoot 3?
Dogen wrote:Celtics win despite Smart having -1 points for the game.
Scoonie wrote:I hate that we gave up our 1st round pick yet again.
Patsfan1081 wrote:Scoonie wrote:I hate that we gave up our 1st round pick yet again.
Another draft we don’t have to watch. It hurts because hitting on a pick might have been the last avenue for this team to adding that third guy. This team is devoid of assets now.
