Year-end awards (2022)

Post #21 » by **tlee324** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:00 am

It's quite a special time for Boston to have four players on the roster, two being one of the best offensive combos in the league and the other two BEING the best defensive combo in the league.

I'm in favor of Smart getting a long deserved Defensive POTY award even if Rob's impact may have been more tangible statistically. Smart is the leader and soul of the team on the defensive end while still taking over productively as the starting PG. As a fan, I've been highly critical in the past prior to the last few seasons on the offensive end of the floor, but his hustle, heart, defensive intelligence, and physicality have always been top notch.

Brad and Ime will need a full season of this type of play under their belts, prove this isn't a fluke.

Ill News · Post #22 » by **Ill News** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:46 am

Rob may have the flashy defensive plays and his usage as a free safety is what really unlocked our defense, but Smart remains the best defender on this team for me. He's our Draymond Green out there in terms of being a defensive anchor, as he is always communicating on defense, calling out opponent plays, and directing where our players need to be. He really has no weaknesses on the defensive end, other than struggling to keep up with speedy guards at times.

I agree with others here in that no Celtic will probably win an individual award, but I don't mind. Having some of our players in top 5 consideration for the major awards is already a big win. Tatum making 1st team All-NBA is the most likely, but even that won't happen either because he'll probably be squeezed out by Booker (due to Suns' best record) and Luka (slightly better numbers, I guess). Jokic and Embiid being eligible to be voted as forwards is also gonna screw him out since they'll both be in the 1st-team, when in reality one of them should be on the 2nd-team because none of them have ever played forward in their lives.

Fencer reregistered · Post #23 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:07 am

If you look at the MVP discussion, there's pretty good positional balance.

Top 3: 2 Cs and a PF
Next 3: 2 Gs and a SF
Possible next 4: 3 Gs and a SF (Steph, Ja, Trae, DDR)
Biggest omissions from my list so far: 2 all-time-great forwards who are still among the league's best scorers, a great-shooting center, and a great old PG

So one could seriously argue that the top 14 players in terms of deserving MVP/All-NBA accolades this year are 3 centers, 5 forwards, and 6 guards.

From the standpoint of all-NBA team voting, that's rather convenient.

Larry_Russell · Post #24 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:57 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Not sure of validity of this but if true, as expected, Jokic looking to win MVP B2B.

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There is ZERO reason he shouldn't IMO

Larry_Russell · Post #25 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:58 am

NuckyPowell wrote:KOC is doing his part.

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Perfect selections, imo

Triple7 · Post #26 » by **Triple7** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:34 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
NuckyPowell wrote:KOC is doing his part.

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Perfect selections, imo

Almost perfect.
I would probably move Lebron to 3rd because of the lakers’ standing in the west(11th), and move siakam or derozan to 2nd.

ddb · Post #27 » by **ddb** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:40 pm

The Comedian wrote:My prediction.

Tatum first team, and 5th in MVP.
Smart DPOY.
Rob 2nd all team defense.
Brad 2nd in executive of the year.
Ime 3rd in coach of the year.
Celtics 1st in our hearts.

I agree with all of this

ddb · Post #28 » by **ddb** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:45 pm

MVP- Jokic
DPOTY-Smart
COTY- Monty
ROTY- Cade
MIP- Bane
6MOTY- Herro

All-NBA
Jokic
Giannis
Tatum
Booker
Doncic

Embiid
Durant
DeRozen
Morant
Curry

Towns
LeBron
Siakam
Paul
Mitchell

Fencer reregistered · Post #29 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:06 pm

ddb wrote:MVP- Jokic
DPOTY-Smart
COTY- Monty
ROTY- Cade
MIP- Bane
6MOTY- Herro

All-NBA
Jokic
Giannis
Tatum
Booker
Doncic

Embiid
Durant
DeRozen
Morant
Curry

Towns
LeBron
Siakam
Paul
Mitchell

Why Mitchell over Young?

ddb · Post #30 » by **ddb** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:16 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
ddb wrote:MVP- Jokic
DPOTY-Smart
COTY- Monty
ROTY- Cade
MIP- Bane
6MOTY- Herro

All-NBA
Jokic
Giannis
Tatum
Booker
Doncic

Embiid
Durant
DeRozen
Morant
Curry

Towns
LeBron
Siakam
Paul
Mitchell

Why Mitchell over Young?

It was close. I guess I just had a really hard time giving Young the nod when factoring in the team being such a disappointment. That paired with the fact that he plays zero defense.

Hal14 · Post #31 » by **Hal14** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:46 pm

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Fencer reregistered · Post #32 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:54 pm

ddb wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
ddb wrote:MVP- Jokic
DPOTY-Smart
COTY- Monty
ROTY- Cade
MIP- Bane
6MOTY- Herro

All-NBA
Jokic
Giannis
Tatum
Booker
Doncic

Embiid
Durant
DeRozen
Morant
Curry

Towns
LeBron
Siakam
Paul
Mitchell

Why Mitchell over Young?

It was close. I guess I just had a really hard time giving Young the nod when factoring in the team being such a disappointment. That paired with the fact that he plays zero defense.

And yet you included LeBron.

Post #33 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:29 pm

I had assumed Jokic and Embiid would get split between 1st and 2nd team for months, then the other day I changed my mind and assumed they’d both get first team.

It’s looking like I was wrong. This is the public votes so far.

Post #34 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:33 pm

Early returns looking good for Smart.

Jaqua92 · Post #35 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:33 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:I just hope Smart winning a somewhat narrative driven DPOY doesn't deter voters from giving Rob the much more derseved DPOY awards he will inevitably be deserving of down the line. Would the voters be unwilling to give the award to someone who has a teammate who's won it previously, despite being the best defender on the team?

I sure hope not. Cause Rob is going to be a defensive super star like Rudy.

Best defender on the best defense should be DPOY and first team. And that's Rob.

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Not a big problem. There's a narrative that Smart's defense is up and down from year to year. That can be exaggerated if need be. Also, Rob is younger than Smart.

Having two DPOYs on the same team would be a first, right?

Other than the 96 Bulls?

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Jaqua92 · Post #36 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:36 pm

Ill News wrote:Rob may have the flashy defensive plays and his usage as a free safety is what really unlocked our defense, but Smart remains the best defender on this team for me. He's our Draymond Green out there in terms of being a defensive anchor, as he is always communicating on defense, calling out opponent plays, and directing where our players need to be. He really has no weaknesses on the defensive end, other than struggling to keep up with speedy guards at times.

I agree with others here in that no Celtic will probably win an individual award, but I don't mind. Having some of our players in top 5 consideration for the major awards is already a big win. Tatum making 1st team All-NBA is the most likely, but even that won't happen either because he'll probably be squeezed out by Booker (due to Suns' best record) and Luka (slightly better numbers, I guess). Jokic and Embiid being eligible to be voted as forwards is also gonna screw him out since they'll both be in the 1st-team, when in reality one of them should be on the 2nd-team because none of them have ever played forward in their lives.

I think Smart probably wins it this year.

Rob I think is the better defender, or at least, most impactful.

His rim protection is arguably the best in the NBA, and his floating weakside defense is something entire offenses have to gameplan around. Smart may be better pound for pound, and is the leader, but I think Rob's presence is most disruptive to the opposing offense. Teams are quite literally afraid of the paint.

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Post #37 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:37 pm

So I’m amending my all nba 1st team.

Luka
Booker
Tatum
Giannis
Jokic

Looks like Tatum will finish 6th in MVP.

Jaqua92 · Post #38 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:38 pm

The Comedian wrote:I had assumed Jokic and Embiid would get split between 1st and 2nd team for months, then the other day I changed my mind and assumed they’d both get first team.

It’s looking like I was wrong. This is the public votes so far.

Triple post, but Embiid may legitimately not make 1st team. I feel as though his rep and the team's have taken a hit.

Tatum looking like a lock for first team? Wow.

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Jaqua92 · Post #39 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:39 pm

The Comedian wrote:So I’m amending my all nba 1st team.

Luka
Booker
Tatum
Giannis
Jokic

Looks like Tatum will finish 6th in MVP.

That's an average age of 25.

Crazy. Has first team ever been that young?

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Post #40 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:47 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:So I’m amending my all nba 1st team.

Luka
Booker
Tatum
Giannis
Jokic

Looks like Tatum will finish 6th in MVP.
That's an average age of 25.

Crazy. Has first team ever been that young?

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Wow I didn’t even think of that, has to be the youngest first team ever.

This league is STACKED with talent lol.