Al Horford Thread – (Confirms he will play in 2024-25)
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:52 pm
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hugepatsfan wrote:Myles Turner is probably the best you get. He's mobile enough to be switched onto the perimeter, he can hold his own in the paint and he spaces the floor well enough that he makes for an offensively viable two big lineup next to RWilliams. The one area you lose out is that he's not the passer/ball mover that Horford is. Unfortunately, we don't have the near-term assets for Turner if IND even wants to move him. We'd have to offer an obscene amount of 1st rounders to even start a conversation since we don't have any near-term picks or inspiring young players to get their attention.
hugepatsfan wrote:Grant can capably fill guard all 5 positions in spurts, but there are tough matchups for him at the 5 that he just doesn't have the size to be competitive in. Horford doesn't have those matchups where he just can't handle him. Grant can run a lot of the same schemes, but it won't be the same fit overall.
Myles Turner is probably the best you get. He's mobile enough to be switched onto the perimeter, he can hold his own in the paint and he spaces the floor well enough that he makes for an offensively viable two big lineup next to RWilliams. The one area you lose out is that he's not the passer/ball mover that Horford is. Unfortunately, we don't have the near-term assets for Turner if IND even wants to move him. We'd have to offer an obscene amount of 1st rounders to even start a conversation since we don't have any near-term picks or inspiring young players to get their attention.
Wendell Carter Jr. is another guy who fits the mold. Needs to continue to extend his range, but he's often been compared to a young Horford. Issue will be price. He signed a front loaded contract with the Magic, who have a pretty clean cap sheet. They have lots of duplication on that roster at G and F, but since Bamaba hasn't developed as hoped they don't have any real need to move a center. Just doesn't feel like a guy who would be realistically attainable.
Drawing blanks on names after that, TBH. It's just a unique player to do all of what Horford does. Even in his decline, he's still a rare breed in terms of combination of skills. Ime has really built his defensive scheme to make heavy use of that, so it's going to be a challenge to replicate going forward.
Elrod is Back wrote:The best move in my opinion would be to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a contract this summer when he will be a UFA. LAC does nor have any Bird rights or early Bird rights and they are hammered by the repeater tax.
I suspect the Cs might have to offer as much as the full non-taxpaper MLE to get him, and that would mean waiving and extending Horford to guarantee we stay under the cap in 22-23. It might be worth it.
If you are unfamiliar with Hartenstein check him out. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html
Huge, mobile and only 23 years old, and is battle tested after four NBA seasons. A plus defender and a plus rebounder and outstanding passer. Gets to the line as well. He would be a fine complement to Robert Williams and fit into the big rotation.
Elrod is Back wrote:The best move in my opinion would be to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a contract this summer when he will be a UFA. LAC does nor have any Bird rights or early Bird rights and they are hammered by the repeater tax.
I suspect the Cs might have to offer as much as the full non-taxpaper MLE to get him, and that would mean waiving and extending Horford to guarantee we stay under the cap in 22-23. It might be worth it.
If you are unfamiliar with Hartenstein check him out. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html
Huge, mobile and only 23 years old, and is battle tested after four NBA seasons. A plus defender and a plus rebounder and outstanding passer. Gets to the line as well. He would be a fine complement to Robert Williams and fit into the big rotation.
darrendaye wrote:Elrod is Back wrote:The best move in my opinion would be to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a contract this summer when he will be a UFA. LAC does nor have any Bird rights or early Bird rights and they are hammered by the repeater tax.
I suspect the Cs might have to offer as much as the full non-taxpaper MLE to get him, and that would mean waiving and extending Horford to guarantee we stay under the cap in 22-23. It might be worth it.
If you are unfamiliar with Hartenstein check him out. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html
Huge, mobile and only 23 years old, and is battle tested after four NBA seasons. A plus defender and a plus rebounder and outstanding passer. Gets to the line as well. He would be a fine complement to Robert Williams and fit into the big rotation.
In his last 2 stops, Hartenstein is a guy I had on my list of interesting backup big options. Honestly did not figure him to be a strong defensive player. I remember his draft profile. I don't know that he's quite as interesting at a salary level you're suggesting, but, if he's truly a plus defender, then I'd sign up for it.
jumblin wrote:With Jayson Tatum having firmly established himself as a top 2 player in the NBA, I don't think we need to worry about the supporting cast. Tatum is a big enough magnet that all-NBA players will be taking discounts to come to boston to play with him. I could easily see a roster so loaded next year that LeBron will be coming off the bench as a 6th or even 7th man.
Hal14 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:dans1230 wrote:I think Grant has proven his shot making is legit. Add that to his defensive versatility and you have the perfect player between Tatum and Williams in the starting lineup.
Horford has looked good defensively this year but offensively he has brought nothing. His shooting numbers are poor and he hasnt initiated offense like he did before and like i expected. Hes more productive than Kemba so im not complaining, but i think id prefer to see him coming off the bench as a 4/5.
We threw a good amount of money at Rob Williams so i guess hes the future, youll have to pay Grant soon enough so hopefully the answer to your question is inhouse.
I like Grant Williams but if Grant Williams is in your starting lineup then your team is going nowhere. Grant Williams is a limited bench player.
He's on track to be the next PJ Tucker / Jae Crowder type. They were the 2 starting PF's in the NBA finals this past year. Both of them have been starters for quite some time now.
I'm not ready to say Grant should be a full time starter right now at this second - I think you keep bringing him off the bench this season but if he keeps improving, he could earn the starting PF spot at some point next season - and he's already under contract for next season anyways..
If Grant is giving you good, tough, switchable defense. Doing the little things, playing hard, setting screens, hitting 40% from 3 and hovering around 10 PPG (he's currently at 12.2 PPG per 36 mins this season), then that's a damn solid 5th starter.
Hal14 wrote:Elrod is Back wrote:The best move in my opinion would be to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a contract this summer when he will be a UFA. LAC does nor have any Bird rights or early Bird rights and they are hammered by the repeater tax.
I suspect the Cs might have to offer as much as the full non-taxpaper MLE to get him, and that would mean waiving and extending Horford to guarantee we stay under the cap in 22-23. It might be worth it.
If you are unfamiliar with Hartenstein check him out. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html
Huge, mobile and only 23 years old, and is battle tested after four NBA seasons. A plus defender and a plus rebounder and outstanding passer. Gets to the line as well. He would be a fine complement to Robert Williams and fit into the big rotation.
So you want to give the full non-taxpayer MLE to a 4th string center? Or you somehow think he's going to leapfrog over rob, al or theis in the rotation?
If he's that good, why wouldn't the clippers resign him? the only other center they have is Zubac. We have rob, al and theis..
Garbanzo wrote:Hal14 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:I like Grant Williams but if Grant Williams is in your starting lineup then your team is going nowhere. Grant Williams is a limited bench player.
He's on track to be the next PJ Tucker / Jae Crowder type. They were the 2 starting PF's in the NBA finals this past year. Both of them have been starters for quite some time now.
I'm not ready to say Grant should be a full time starter right now at this second - I think you keep bringing him off the bench this season but if he keeps improving, he could earn the starting PF spot at some point next season - and he's already under contract for next season anyways..
If Grant is giving you good, tough, switchable defense. Doing the little things, playing hard, setting screens, hitting 40% from 3 and hovering around 10 PPG (he's currently at 12.2 PPG per 36 mins this season), then that's a damn solid 5th starter.
Crowder is a nice comp.
Tucker could do things Grant will probably never will, like bringing up the ball in transition.
Grant is a smart guy, maybe he'll learn to do something else, Crowder and Tucker can't.
Anyway, there's no point starting Grant at the 4 if we have Tatum.
Grant is very useful as a backup.
Elrod is Back wrote:Hal14 wrote:Elrod is Back wrote:The best move in my opinion would be to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a contract this summer when he will be a UFA. LAC does nor have any Bird rights or early Bird rights and they are hammered by the repeater tax.
I suspect the Cs might have to offer as much as the full non-taxpaper MLE to get him, and that would mean waiving and extending Horford to guarantee we stay under the cap in 22-23. It might be worth it.
If you are unfamiliar with Hartenstein check him out. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html
Huge, mobile and only 23 years old, and is battle tested after four NBA seasons. A plus defender and a plus rebounder and outstanding passer. Gets to the line as well. He would be a fine complement to Robert Williams and fit into the big rotation.
So you want to give the full non-taxpayer MLE to a 4th string center? Or you somehow think he's going to leapfrog over rob, al or theis in the rotation?
If he's that good, why wouldn't the clippers resign him? the only other center they have is Zubac. We have rob, al and theis..
I explain the Clippers predicament in the post. Their hands are tied.
I think other teams will be interested. The price could rise and it is no lock he would come to the Cs. We'd have to recruit him.
Hal14 wrote:Elrod is Back wrote:Hal14 wrote:So you want to give the full non-taxpayer MLE to a 4th string center? Or you somehow think he's going to leapfrog over rob, al or theis in the rotation?
If he's that good, why wouldn't the clippers resign him? the only other center they have is Zubac. We have rob, al and theis..
I explain the Clippers predicament in the post. Their hands are tied.
I think other teams will be interested. The price could rise and it is no lock he would come to the Cs. We'd have to recruit him.
why would we recruit him to be our 4th string center? he ain't getting minutes over rob, al or theis..