Celtics 2023-24, Season Thread

ConstableGeneva · Post #321 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat May 6, 2023 5:22 am

Hal14 · Post #322 » by **Hal14** » Sun May 7, 2023 1:48 am

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Post #323 » by **shackles10** » Sun May 7, 2023 1:53 pm

Wiretap says Trent Jr won’t be retained by Raptors. He’s someone I would like to see in a Brogdon type acquisition for scraps. Not someone to pay real value for though especially at his salary and the new CBA incoming. We could have used a bench scorer this year to backup the Jays on the wings.

BK_2020 · Post #324 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:56 am

shackles10 wrote:Wiretap says Trent Jr won’t be retained by Raptors. He’s someone I would like to see in a Brogdon type acquisition for scraps. Not someone to pay real value for though especially at his salary and the new CBA incoming. We could have used a bench scorer this year to backup the Jays on the wings.

I think you might be thinking of Gary Trent. His son GTJ is a smallish shooting guard.
Funny how every NBA player's son is smaller than the dad, but I guess it's to be expected given how freakish it is to be 6'8 or even 6'6.

Post #325 » by **shackles10** » Mon May 8, 2023 3:04 am

He’s 6-5. He’s not the normal mold of our sf’s who we often slide up to the 4 bc he’s not got the body and strength for it, but as a wing scorer I think he could do the trick. Doesn’t really matter though bc of his salary and the new CBA. Way too much more for a likely 9th guy.

Bar Fight · Post #326 » by **Bar Fight** » Mon May 8, 2023 3:56 am

BK_2020 wrote:
shackles10 wrote:Wiretap says Trent Jr won’t be retained by Raptors. He’s someone I would like to see in a Brogdon type acquisition for scraps. Not someone to pay real value for though especially at his salary and the new CBA incoming. We could have used a bench scorer this year to backup the Jays on the wings.

I think you might be thinking of Gary Trent. His son GTJ is a smallish shooting guard.
Funny how every NBA player's son is smaller than the dad, but I guess it's to be expected given how freakish it is to be 6'8 or even 6'6.

Jaren Jackson Jr

zoyathedestroya · Post #327 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon May 8, 2023 9:01 am

Celtics Playoff Record, Point Difference of 3 or less:
2023: 0-2
2022: 1-2
2021: 0-0
2020: 1-4
2019: 0-0
2018: 2-1

4-9 in close games with core of Jays/Smart. In some of these losses, Cs could’ve taken a 3-0 or 3-1 lead.

Post #328 » by **shackles10** » Mon May 8, 2023 11:35 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Celtics Playoff Record, Point Difference of 3 or less:
2023: 0-2
2022: 1-2
2021: 0-0
2020: 1-4
2019: 0-0
2018: 2-1

4-9 in close games with core of Jays/Smart. In some of these losses, Cs could’ve taken a 3-0 or 3-1 lead.

Gross.

jirrit · Post #329 » by **jirrit** » Mon May 8, 2023 11:59 am

I do believe in clutch & stuff but yeah, a decent amount of games these are also just coinflips, or getting lucky/unlucky at the right moment. It's not that Harden's been clutch but now he's been in 50% of the games played against us. We'll be getting there, just keep getting in the position to be lucky or to be clutch is the start. Tatum being only 19 also does help.

Post #330 » by **165bows** » Mon May 8, 2023 3:08 pm

Contrary to popular opinion it is a better signal to have losses be close than not close or blowouts.

Post #331 » by **Feed Your Head** » Mon May 8, 2023 4:02 pm

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keevsnick1 · Post #332 » by **keevsnick1** » Mon May 8, 2023 4:29 pm

I got curious so I went and checked. For the playoffs Marcus smart is leading the team in 4th quarter USG% at 27.7. Followed by Tatum, Brogdon than Brown 4th at 21.1%.

Smart has a TS% of 54.6% in the 4th these playoffs, and a net rating of -7.1.

I'm just not sure why he's so involved in the 4th quarter.

Post #333 » by **canman1971** » Mon May 8, 2023 4:31 pm

Just win Tuesday and finish them off on Thursday.

lon3lytoaster · Post #334 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Mon May 8, 2023 4:43 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:I got curious so I went and checked. For the playoffs Marcus smart is leading the team in 4th quarter USG% at 27.7. Followed by Tatum, Brogdon than Brown 4th at 21.1%.

Smart has a TS% of 54.6% in the 4th these playoffs, and a net rating of -7.1.

I'm just not sure why he's so involved in the 4th quarter.

That's crazy. Marcus either needs to have a reduced role or be sent off. I think you're often playing uphill with both him and Jaylen making a ton of decisions but even I have to say Jaylen has been criminally under used in some of these games.

keevsnick1 · Post #335 » by **keevsnick1** » Mon May 8, 2023 4:46 pm

Not sure if anybody posted this but All-NBA teams are being announced on Wednesday. So with a game Tuesday, All-NBA on Wednesday, and another game Thursday its a big week for the future of this Celtics team.

ConstableGeneva · Post #336 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon May 8, 2023 9:40 pm

165bows wrote:Contrary to popular opinion it is a better signal to have losses be close than not close or blowouts.

I think it's better to not have losses at all if they can be avoided.

Post #337 » by **165bows** » Mon May 8, 2023 10:06 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
165bows wrote:Contrary to popular opinion it is a better signal to have losses be close than not close or blowouts.

I think it's better to not have losses at all if they can be avoided.

True! Point being though that Boston has been better across the board in this series despite two close losses. Very similar to last year's Milwaukee series in fact.

Ken Pomeroy the famed college hoops analytics guy reviewed data at one point - basically saying in-game leads were even more predictive of future winners than final records or net +/-.

IOW what happens in the bulk of the games is much more predictive for the future than the last minutes are. And while they could def blow it they are in a similar situation to last year's Bucks series, in a tight series with a very good team where they are the demonstrably better performing team. Last year that won them the Eastern conference and I think it will again this year as well - at least based on the best overall info we currently have.

ConstableGeneva · Post #338 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue May 9, 2023 12:14 am

165bows wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
165bows wrote:Contrary to popular opinion it is a better signal to have losses be close than not close or blowouts.

I think it's better to not have losses at all if they can be avoided.

True! Point being though that Boston has been better across the board in this series despite two close losses. Very similar to last year's Milwaukee series in fact.

Ken Pomeroy the famed college hoops analytics guy reviewed data at one point - basically saying in-game leads were even more predictive of future winners than final records or net +/-.

IOW what happens in the bulk of the games is much more predictive for the future than the last minutes are. And while they could def blow it they are in a similar situation to last year's Bucks series, in a tight series with a very good team where they are the demonstrably better performing team. Last year that won them the Eastern conference and I think it will again this year as well - at least based on the best overall info we currently have.

I do think the Celtics are among the best teams for a couple of years now. They're so good that they can hang with pretty much anybody. That's why it's frustrating that they're just not that good at holding onto big leads or managing close games. I guess that's their last hurdle for them to get where we want them to.

BK_2020 · Post #339 » by **BK_2020** » Tue May 9, 2023 2:18 am

We have the best net rating in the league so no matter how bad we are at hanging on to the lead, everyone else in the league is worse.

rd26 · Post #340 » by **rd26** » Tue May 9, 2023 2:50 am

keevsnick1 wrote:I got curious so I went and checked. For the playoffs Marcus smart is leading the team in 4th quarter USG% at 27.7. Followed by Tatum, Brogdon than Brown 4th at 21.1%.

Smart has a TS% of 54.6% in the 4th these playoffs, and a net rating of -7.1.

I'm just not sure why he's so involved in the 4th quarter.

I think the haters have finally convinced me.

A large part of that usage has been the game Tatum was in foul trouble, or when JT and / or Smart take a breather to start the 4th.

8.6% usage in clutch time for the playoffs. 3.2% in this series. Only Derrick White at 0% is lower for either team for guys who have logged any cluch minutes in the series.

No way in h3ll should you offer a supermax to a player you trust so little when it matters the most