So did Joe save his head coaching job?
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So did Joe save his head coaching job?
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Ben-N1ce
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So did Joe save his head coaching job?
I think probably did because the Celtics are too scared to do something drastic and will try to give him some people with tenure on his staff..
Can't believe this is real...or I can :/
Can't believe this is real...or I can :/
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I think he was never gonna get fired (after getting extended) even if we got swept. I guess depends on how much pressure the owners put on Brad. But I'm leaning towards him getting retained and they get some cheapo assistants on the bench.
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If Brad doesn't fire him, Brad needs to be fired. Wyc going to pay the luxury tax for this crap? Maybe he is just happy to have playoff revenue but I doubt it.
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Certainly muddies the water
But the window is now - this team is about to get prohibitively expensive with the upcoming extensions so hopefully they make a determination on whether Joe is a championship level coach today. If the answer is no then they need to move on immediately (assuming there is even an experienced coach out there that can take us to the next level [it ain't Doc]).
But the window is now - this team is about to get prohibitively expensive with the upcoming extensions so hopefully they make a determination on whether Joe is a championship level coach today. If the answer is no then they need to move on immediately (assuming there is even an experienced coach out there that can take us to the next level [it ain't Doc]).
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I won't believe Joe is gonna be fired until it happens. Although he should be. This team was set up to fail before the season even started. This lost season is on ownership, and Ime.
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Seemed like a fine hire out the gate. The extension, wish we didn’t. But, were you gonna let him go as a lame duck for the playoffs? Seems like if you do that the team just quits on him whereas they did rally back multiple times this postseason.
Forcing the game 7 kind of muddies the waters a bit. It was easy to fire him after game 3. Now you have to ask whether he’s:
1) not head coaching material and needs to go
2) head coaching material but still inexperienced as the youngest in the league and dealt a bad hand unexpectedly replacing a coach the players loved and doing it with no legit assistants because they didn’t have time to hire an appropriate staff and then even the best assistant they had left mid season and if he gets an off-season he can show growth in the role so you keep him
3) same as #2 except you decide this team doesn’t have the time to wait for his development and/or his development might just impossible with a group of players who will always view him as the second choice so you have to move on
I lean towards #3. I think he should go somewhere, be a lead assistant, try again in a few years.
Forcing the game 7 kind of muddies the waters a bit. It was easy to fire him after game 3. Now you have to ask whether he’s:
1) not head coaching material and needs to go
2) head coaching material but still inexperienced as the youngest in the league and dealt a bad hand unexpectedly replacing a coach the players loved and doing it with no legit assistants because they didn’t have time to hire an appropriate staff and then even the best assistant they had left mid season and if he gets an off-season he can show growth in the role so you keep him
3) same as #2 except you decide this team doesn’t have the time to wait for his development and/or his development might just impossible with a group of players who will always view him as the second choice so you have to move on
I lean towards #3. I think he should go somewhere, be a lead assistant, try again in a few years.
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No chance.... his pressers alone are embarrassing, but at the end of the day it will come down to what the players want IMO. Get a vet coach in here that can run an actual offense. This live and die by the three mentality failed this group.... Waste of a season really, banner 18 or bust...... Unfinished business my a$$
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The problem isn't the offense, it's the defense. Mazulla needs a veteran defensive-minded lead assistant, sort of what Thibs was to Rivers in 2008.
"Numbers lie alot. Wins and losses don't lie." - Jerry West
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"Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. Rebounding wins championships." Pat Summit
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"Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. Rebounding wins championships." Pat Summit
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I don't think Brad has the courage to move on from him or maybe ownership does not want to eat the contract. Should they...absolutely. This roster deserves a proven coach.
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pac213up wrote:I don't think Brad has the courage to move on from him or maybe ownership does not want to eat the contract. Should they...absolutely. This roster deserves a proven coach.
I don't think it's "courage"... He's not going to war..
It's more about giving him the chance I guess. To me we need a proven coach, cause the group if fighting for a championship. This is not a lotto team, where you can develop coach/players at the same time.
Good assessment:
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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In any other organization, Joe would be fired after that result. But in Boston, I don't think he was ever going to be fired no matter what happened.
I agree the main issue is the defense but this live-or-die by the three offense is trash too.
Curmudgeon wrote:The problem isn't the offense, it's the defense. Mazulla needs a veteran defensive-minded lead assistant, sort of what Thibs was to Rivers in 2008.
I agree the main issue is the defense but this live-or-die by the three offense is trash too.
Edit: Extend Mazzulla
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Joe will be here next year for sure. I can’t say I agree with it, but it is what it is. We’re not too reliant on 3s? Yikes
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If you ask me what I’d do, I’d likely replace him.
What I think they’ll do is keep him and offer someone like Silas/Atkinson etc to be senior assistant.
What I think they’ll do is keep him and offer someone like Silas/Atkinson etc to be senior assistant.
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Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:If you ask me what I’d do, I’d likely replace him.
What I think they’ll do is keep him and offer someone like Silas/Atkinson etc to be senior assistant.
Yes. And if you fire him, who is your new head coach?
"Numbers lie alot. Wins and losses don't lie." - Jerry West
"You are what your record says you are."- Bill Parcells
"Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. Rebounding wins championships." Pat Summit
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If the players want him back he will be. Get some veteran assistants around him and let’s see how he does next year with a full off season. I know everyone hates Joe and he needs to tweak his philosophies but he did lead the C’s to the 2nd best record this year and one win away from the Finals. If he isn’t the answer then who should replace him….Monty?
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JTfor3 wrote:If the players want him back he will be. Get some veteran assistants around him and let’s see how he does next year with a full off season. I know everyone hates Joe and he needs to tweak his philosophies but he did lead the C’s to the 2nd best record this year and one win away from the Finals. If he isn’t the answer then who should replace him….Monty?
agreed that the answer to this question almost entirely depends on what the players -- especially Jayson -- want. We don't really know what the situation is behind the scenes -- though when your players are coaching during timeout huddles, it makes you wonder a bit?
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Kalela wrote:In any other organization, Joe would be fired after that result. But in Boston, I don't think he was ever going to be fired no matter what happened.Curmudgeon wrote:The problem isn't the offense, it's the defense. Mazulla needs a veteran defensive-minded lead assistant, sort of what Thibs was to Rivers in 2008.
I agree the main issue is the defense but this live-or-die by the three offense is trash too.
Can I add late-game offense and zone offense to the things they have to work on? But what you can do on offense is capped by/dependent on the star players you have and what they're willing/able to do at an elite level.
So yeah, when it comes to coaching, I think they can affect defense more.
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31to6 wrote:JTfor3 wrote:If the players want him back he will be. Get some veteran assistants around him and let’s see how he does next year with a full off season. I know everyone hates Joe and he needs to tweak his philosophies but he did lead the C’s to the 2nd best record this year and one win away from the Finals. If he isn’t the answer then who should replace him….Monty?
agreed that the answer to this question almost entirely depends on what the players -- especially Jayson -- want. We don't really know what the situation is behind the scenes -- though when your players are coaching during timeout huddles, it makes you wonder a bit?
Absolutely it does make you wonder. Joe wasn’t perfect this year obviously, but he was thrown into a head coaching position days before the season started with no head coaching experience and expected to win it all with immense pressure. I wouldn’t have given him that extension but I know why the front office did. I know the season didn’t end how we wanted but hiring a 4th head coach in as many seasons is like a damn carousel all over again. If JT, Smart, AL want Joe back he’ll be here next season.
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Brad should go, not Joe. Joe is a mere symptom of the disease called Brad. The new GM would fire Joe on day 1 anyway.





