Is this franchise commited to winning a championship?

Deivork · Post #1 » by **Deivork** » Sun Jun 4, 2023 9:17 pm

As fans, we love that our teams plays beautifully, but I think we can agree that our main goal is that your team wins a championship.

A lot has been said lately after this season's debacle, questioning this franchise' direction. Is it too this franchise' main goal?

Do you believe this organisation, starting at the top with Wyc, to Brad, to the coaching staff and to the players is commited to winning?

And when I say starting at the top I mean mainly at the top, with the ownership group, because this is a hierarchical company and the ones at the top simply have more influence than the rest.

Let's see what this board believes.

Please vote and discuss.

Deivork · Post #2 » by **Deivork** » Sun Jun 4, 2023 9:24 pm

I'm not so hardcore and I barely know the team's internal affairs, but from afar I've lost faith in this team's commitment to winning, so I voted no.

Either there's a masterplan behind that I don't know or the obvious says you don't keep Mazzula if you want to win next year. Of course he can improve, but he's just a rookie so very far from a championship coach.

GoGreen · Post #3 » by **GoGreen** » Sun Jun 4, 2023 10:50 pm

I will say "other." I think mostly yes, yes they are committed to winning - again, mostly. I think they think they can win with this team, if Brad's presser and recent reports are accurate. They look at this team and feel it's good enough. Many disagree including me, but we'll see.

31to6 · Post #4 » by **31to6** » Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:04 pm

Voted yes. They've spent the cash. Would've loved an addition and/or upgrade beyond rapping Mike Muscala in February, and am concerned that Brad is keeping Joe out of pity, but they've assembled a roster that everyone agrees *should* win a title, even though it cost quite a bit of luxury tax.

Mr_Mojo_Risin · Post #5 » by **Mr_Mojo_Risin** » Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:53 pm

I’d say they’re committed however they are far more patient about it than the fans. Time will tell though, however the Jays are only entering their prime and they clearly believe in an inexperienced Joe…I hope to god they’re right because so far he has seemed too stubborn with a serious lack of feel for my liking.

However just because I don’t agree with all decisions, it doesn’t mean they’re not committed. It just means they see it differently.

The Corey's · Post #6 » by **The Corey's** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 12:19 am

Given how Wyc lost his every loving **** mind (rightfully so) after they blew game 3 in a major blowout, I'd say ownership likely is more committed than the players.

Memokerobi · Post #7 » by **Memokerobi** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:27 am

“They’re happy with ECFs”

I think this is a weird thing to say for two reasons. One, contending for a championship means playing late into the playoffs. You are going to have losses in the ECF or in the Finals, if you are consistently getting there, its inevitable. So even though we win a chip in the near future, we’ll have more ECF/Finals losses along the way.

Two, its tough to improve a team that’s consistently one of the 4 teams remaining in the league. Its a fine line to thread because one misstep and you are in the pack of good teams that can’t make it past the second round. On top of that, they clearly were very open to improving by allowing the Brogdon trade and paying for him.

So my answer would be they are both “happy with the ECFs” and are clearly committed to doing whatever it takes to get a banner.

batabatuta · Post #8 » by **batabatuta** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:39 am

This franchise is committed to building a dynasty with an expectation that they will win a championship eventually. So regardless how many times the season ends in a failure, management believes it will win one eventually that is why they are standing by the Jays.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #9 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:10 pm

They are committed to a degree but I believe they are just as happy being good. That is where JB comes in. They let him walk away in FA the team takes a step back and may be a 5th or 6th seed. They supermax him (which seems to be the likely scenario) that seals their fate as a good team that won't ever win a title.

Post #10 » by **shackles10** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:22 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:They are committed to a degree but I believe they are just as happy being good. That is where JB comes in. They let him walk away in FA the team takes a step back and may be a 5th or 6th seed. They supermax him (which seems to be the likely scenario) that seals their fate as a good team that won't ever win a title.

Neither of those are good outcomes

Green89 · Post #11 » by **Green89** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:30 pm

They give us every indication they are, aside from letting Brad hire Joe. You don't hire a rookie coach for a team that's prime for a title run. You just don't do that if you are fully seriois in winning a chip.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #12 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:42 pm

shackles10 wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:They are committed to a degree but I believe they are just as happy being good. That is where JB comes in. They let him walk away in FA the team takes a step back and may be a 5th or 6th seed. They supermax him (which seems to be the likely scenario) that seals their fate as a good team that won't ever win a title.

Neither of those are good outcomes

Yeah and that is the issue. I don't think the franchise wants to trade JB for 70-80 cents on the dollars and take a step back for a few years and hope whoever they get eventually pans out and puts them over the top.

If they resign JB the team will do well in the regular season, will be in the contender discussion, may win a a round or 2 in the playoffs, which will at least give the illusion the team wants to win a title which will keep the casual fans happy.

chrisab123 · Post #13 » by **chrisab123** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:04 pm

The Corey's wrote:Given how Wyc lost his every loving **** mind (rightfully so) after they blew game 3 in a major blowout, I'd say ownership likely is more committed than the players.

Wyc isn't like Monty Burns. Jacobs only cares about concessions. Wyc doesn't get money from concessions or parking. The players probably care somewhat, but they just don't know how to get there.

Tyakack · Post #14 » by **Tyakack** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:40 pm

Rather they are committed or not, assuming they keep this core and Joe together I think they are making the wrong moves that will continue to result in seasons ending with no title.

I could be committed to beating some boss in a video game, but if I continue to attack it the wrong way each time I'm just gonna keep losing. Commitment in the wrong direction is just as bad as not being committed at all.

The Corey's · Post #15 » by **The Corey's** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:56 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Given how Wyc lost his every loving **** mind (rightfully so) after they blew game 3 in a major blowout, I'd say ownership likely is more committed than the players.

Wyc isn't like Monty Burns. Jacobs only cares about concessions. Wyc doesn't get money from concessions or parking. The players probably care somewhat, but they just don't know how to get there.

The story I'm referring to is how allegedly Wyc stormed the locker room and patronized and yelled at the players for their effort and how he's been building and paying for this team for 20 years and they needed to grow some balls out there.

Which is way more accountability than we saw any of the players show.

In the end, pushing it to game 7 only saved the Celtics from an embarrassing defeat and prevented them from facing that fact that changes need to be made.

ClayBerlin · Post #16 » by **ClayBerlin** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:18 pm

I believe they are committed to winning.

My fear is that they really don't know how to make that happen.

ClayBerlin · Post #17 » by **ClayBerlin** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:40 pm

I understand that the game has evolved through they years, but i still think there are some universal truths that remain.

Running sets, off ball movement, exploiting mismatches, tenacious defense, commitment to rebounding etc.. with the most important thing being a certain standard of BBIQ that runs throughout your entire squad. That means no jacking deep 3's with 20 seconds on the clock , knowing when and who to double, how to recognize what the other team is trying to accomplish, that sort of thing.

And maybe a little of what Garnett and Pierce were talking about, drop a guy on his ass every now and, you know, let them know we're playing ball tonight.

I just really have a difficult time believing that the Celtics are not built with the types of players, and with the the coaches and management surrounding them, that all believe these elements to be true. Because i don't see it.

I'm old, I've watched the Celtics forever, and i'm probably naive as to how the modern NBA is really coached and run but i wish i was seeing something different.

Hal14 · Post #18 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 9:58 pm

Deivork wrote:I'm not so hardcore and I barely know the team's internal affairs, but from afar I've lost faith in this team's commitment to winning, so I voted no.

Either there's a masterplan behind that I don't know or the obvious says you don't keep Mazzula if you want to win next year. Of course he can improve, but he's just a rookie so very far from a championship coach.

Lots of rookie head coaches have won championships. Mazzulla isn't a rookie anymore, though - his rookie season has been completed. He'll be in year 2 next year.

Hal14 · Post #19 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:06 pm

Green89 wrote:They give us every indication they are, aside from letting Brad hire Joe. You don't hire a rookie coach for a team that's prime for a title run. You just don't do that if you are fully seriois in winning a chip.

A rookie head coach has won the title 9 times.

Parasite · Post #20 » by **Parasite** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:17 pm

No matter what one may think of the players on this team, the answer cannot be yes because Mazzulla is the coach. It’s as simple as that. It’s like handing the keys of a Lamborghini to a teenager. Now, having said that, I think some or the players are seriously flawed. But, even if you think they aren’t, there is no possible way you can think Mazzulla is ready to lead a team to a championship.