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Who sacrifices most? Tatum, Jaylen or Porzingis

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Who sacrifices most? Tatum, Jaylen or Porzingis 

Post#1 » by Ben-N1ce » Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:49 pm

Let's face it. There is only one ball. Who ends up altering their game the most to try and make this all work.

In addition who really should be the number 2 option to Tatum or does it matter? Just feed who's cooking that night?
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Post#2 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:51 pm

Should be Jaylen, but will be Porzi--which is part of why I think JB should go.
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Post#3 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:59 pm

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Post#4 » by poopship » Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:28 pm

Parzingers. But Tatum probably will enjoy giving it up to Kresteps when he pops. With how many threes they want to take that'll be many potential assists.
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Post#5 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:34 pm

USG last year for our team:

Tatum - 32.7%
Brown - 31.4%
Brogdon - 22.8%
Smart - 17.8%
White - 17.7%

Brogdon plays with bench lineups so probably not impacted.

Porzinigs had a 27.4% usage last year, which was third on the team behind Beal (29.2%) and Kuzma (27.9%).

My guess is that you probably shave some usage off of Tatum/Brown each so Porzinigs can come in higher than Smart was last year. White stays relatively flat. Obviously Smart possessions looked different than Porzingis possessions so we'll have a different look for sure.
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Post#6 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:45 pm

Don’t know about altering their games. But JB would have to take less shots/touches and get less onball possessions (which aren’t that much to begin with).

If we’re going by FGAs/game…

Tatum - 20
Brown - 16
Porzingis - 16
Brogdon - 10
White - 9

Everyone else under 8.
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Post#7 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:10 pm

Call me crazy but I don't think we will do very well unless all three of them are under 26ppg avg.
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Post#8 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:11 pm

Sacrificing isn't one of 5 moves Jaylen has memorized.
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Post#9 » by will » Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:30 pm

To me, it would be Jaylen.

He has the makings of being an absolute menace on the defensive side of the floor. Let Tatum cook.
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Post#10 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:37 pm

will wrote:To me, it would be Jaylen.

He has the makings of being an absolute menace on the defensive side of the floor. Let Tatum cook.


Jaylen would just love that idea.
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Post#11 » by will » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:38 pm

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will wrote:To me, it would be Jaylen.

He has the makings of being an absolute menace on the defensive side of the floor. Let Tatum cook.


Jaylen would just love that idea.


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Post#12 » by Parliament10 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:40 pm

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This is what I think. You only need 2 guys going at any one time. -- Derrick White has his moments, as well.
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Post#13 » by Ben-N1ce » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:41 pm

will wrote:To me, it would be Jaylen.

He has the makings of being an absolute menace on the defensive side of the floor. Let Tatum cook.

But his entire career he's never been that. Only on rare occasion. Porzingas will be a more impactful defender just being 7'3 with any decent positioning near the paint. Tatum is better in both ends without question than Jaylen so now he's going to decide to lock guys up lol
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Post#14 » by will » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:43 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:
will wrote:To me, it would be Jaylen.

He has the makings of being an absolute menace on the defensive side of the floor. Let Tatum cook.

But his entire career he's never been that. Only on rare occasion. Porzingas will be a more impactful defender just being 7'3 with any decent positioning near the paint. Tatum is better in both ends without question than Jaylen so now he's going to decide to lock guys up lol


It's only a mindset as to whether a player is willing to defend or not.

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Post#15 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:44 pm

Porzi plays 2-way, consistently hard and smart.

JT and JB are not great leaders. Maybe Porzi can impress his attitude on the team.
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Post#16 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:25 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:USG last year for our team:

Tatum - 32.7%
Brown - 31.4%
Brogdon - 22.8%
Smart - 17.8%
White - 17.7%

Brogdon plays with bench lineups so probably not impacted.

Porzinigs had a 27.4% usage last year, which was third on the team behind Beal (29.2%) and Kuzma (27.9%).

My guess is that you probably shave some usage off of Tatum/Brown each so Porzinigs can come in higher than Smart was last year. White stays relatively flat. Obviously Smart possessions looked different than Porzingis possessions so we'll have a different look for sure.


JB had an absolutely league-average TS% of .581 and Porzi had a TS% of .627. I'd suggest that if anything Porzi ought to have higher usage than JB. That of course would not make JB happy, but perhaps that in itself is a problem.

Porzi's TS% was of course also higher than JT's at .607 and Brogdon's at .615.
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Post#17 » by 165bows » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:34 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:USG last year for our team:

Tatum - 32.7%
Brown - 31.4%
Brogdon - 22.8%
Smart - 17.8%
White - 17.7%

Brogdon plays with bench lineups so probably not impacted.

Porzinigs had a 27.4% usage last year, which was third on the team behind Beal (29.2%) and Kuzma (27.9%).

My guess is that you probably shave some usage off of Tatum/Brown each so Porzinigs can come in higher than Smart was last year. White stays relatively flat. Obviously Smart possessions looked different than Porzingis possessions so we'll have a different look for sure.


JB had an absolutely league-average TS% of .581 and Porzi had a TS% of .627. I'd suggest that if anything Porzi ought to have higher usage than JB. That of course would not make JB happy, but perhaps that in itself is a problem.

Porzi's TS% was of course also higher than JT's at .607 and Brogdon's at .615.

Let’s be optimistic but don’t think we need to set a firm baseline as Zinger’s career year.
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Re: Who sacrifices most. Tatum Jaylen or Porzingas. 

Post#18 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:47 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:USG last year for our team:

Tatum - 32.7%
Brown - 31.4%
Brogdon - 22.8%
Smart - 17.8%
White - 17.7%

Brogdon plays with bench lineups so probably not impacted.

Porzinigs had a 27.4% usage last year, which was third on the team behind Beal (29.2%) and Kuzma (27.9%).

My guess is that you probably shave some usage off of Tatum/Brown each so Porzinigs can come in higher than Smart was last year. White stays relatively flat. Obviously Smart possessions looked different than Porzingis possessions so we'll have a different look for sure.


JB had an absolutely league-average TS% of .581 and Porzi had a TS% of .627. I'd suggest that if anything Porzi ought to have higher usage than JB. That of course would not make JB happy, but perhaps that in itself is a problem.

Porzi's TS% was of course also higher than JT's at .607 and Brogdon's at .615.


Porzi was at .627 last year. But it's funny you mention Brown's .581 because that's basically tied with Porzi's prior prior career high for a full season (.582 in 2020-21) and that was in a year he only played 43 games so somewhat small sample size. His career TS% is .563.

We'll see how he does here. I think taking last year's .627 TS% from Porzi though and assuming it's the norm would be a mistake though. I'm more inclined to look at career averages and norms, which places him third behind Tatum and Brown if you go by TS% as your metric of choice.
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Re: Who sacrifices most. Tatum Jaylen or Porzingas. 

Post#19 » by 165bows » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:57 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:USG last year for our team:

Tatum - 32.7%
Brown - 31.4%
Brogdon - 22.8%
Smart - 17.8%
White - 17.7%

Brogdon plays with bench lineups so probably not impacted.

Porzinigs had a 27.4% usage last year, which was third on the team behind Beal (29.2%) and Kuzma (27.9%).

My guess is that you probably shave some usage off of Tatum/Brown each so Porzinigs can come in higher than Smart was last year. White stays relatively flat. Obviously Smart possessions looked different than Porzingis possessions so we'll have a different look for sure.


JB had an absolutely league-average TS% of .581 and Porzi had a TS% of .627. I'd suggest that if anything Porzi ought to have higher usage than JB. That of course would not make JB happy, but perhaps that in itself is a problem.

Porzi's TS% was of course also higher than JT's at .607 and Brogdon's at .615.


Porzi was at .627 last year. But it's funny you mention Brown's .581 because that's basically tied with Porzi's prior prior career high for a full season (.582 in 2020-21) and that was in a year he only played 43 games so somewhat small sample size. His career TS% is .563.

We'll see how he does here. I think taking last year's .627 TS% from Porzi though and assuming it's the norm would be a mistake though. I'm more inclined to look at career averages and norms, which places him third behind Tatum and Brown if you go by TS% as your metric of choice.

To play devils advocate with my own point he had a small sample size in WAS the year prior (17 games) that was very similar. Just seems reasonable to not set one year as a guy’s absolute floor if I can be hyperbolic.
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Re: Who sacrifices most. Tatum Jaylen or Porzingas. 

Post#20 » by BK_2020 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:03 am

hugepatsfan wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:USG last year for our team:

Tatum - 32.7%
Brown - 31.4%
Brogdon - 22.8%
Smart - 17.8%
White - 17.7%

Brogdon plays with bench lineups so probably not impacted.

Porzinigs had a 27.4% usage last year, which was third on the team behind Beal (29.2%) and Kuzma (27.9%).

My guess is that you probably shave some usage off of Tatum/Brown each so Porzinigs can come in higher than Smart was last year. White stays relatively flat. Obviously Smart possessions looked different than Porzingis possessions so we'll have a different look for sure.


JB had an absolutely league-average TS% of .581 and Porzi had a TS% of .627. I'd suggest that if anything Porzi ought to have higher usage than JB. That of course would not make JB happy, but perhaps that in itself is a problem.

Porzi's TS% was of course also higher than JT's at .607 and Brogdon's at .615.


Porzi was at .627 last year. But it's funny you mention Brown's .581 because that's basically tied with Porzi's prior prior career high for a full season (.582 in 2020-21) and that was in a year he only played 43 games so somewhat small sample size. His career TS% is .563.

We'll see how he does here. I think taking last year's .627 TS% from Porzi though and assuming it's the norm would be a mistake though. I'm more inclined to look at career averages and norms, which places him third behind Tatum and Brown if you go by TS% as your metric of choice.

Yeah but .581 was good to really good in seasons before 2022-23.
Though it's true that Porzingis had never been an efficient scorer for a full season before the last.

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