Who do you all have as trade targets that aren't established stars yet? Guys in the "Derrick White mold" who we can try to nab early. With our moves to reduce salary with Jrue/KP, there's opportunity to try to get someone we actually like, not just take back bad salary. If it's a really good guy, we could add picks to make it happen.
Try to keep them in their 20s, and ideally signed for a few years at less than $20M/year.
My list in no order:
Lonzo Anthony Black Beef Stew WCJ - gets a little pricey on his extension, but doable Moses Moody Jarace Walker Jeremy Sochan Herb Jones
Nesmith was there before the last month put him beyond our realistic reach...
Mods: May not be worthy of a new thread, but I wanted to separate it out for a few days and then it'll die / we can merge to the main FA thread.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:58 pm
by 165bows
Most of these aren't realistic, just guys that if they for whatever reason sprung loose that I'd be happy about.
Naz Reid Deni Avdija Brandon Clarke Mo Wagner Joe/Wiggins Zach Edey Eason/Jabari Parker Devin Carter Julian Champagnie Kobe Brown Nikola Jokic
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Tue Jun 3, 2025 5:37 pm
by djFan71
165bows wrote:Most of these aren't realistic, just guys that if they for whatever reason sprung loose that I'd be happy about.
Naz Reid Deni Avdija Brandon Clarke Mo Wagner Joe/Wiggins Zach Edey Eason/Jabari Parker Devin Carter Julian Champagnie Kobe Brown Nikola Jokic
Ooh, yeah, I forget Champagnie. Eason/Joe/Wiggins are all in the "seems unlikely, but actually the team needs to shed money somehow" bucket. I like those.
Jabari Parker might not be worth going after. For Smith Jr, though, it really depends on what his next deal would be. You get 1 cheap year, then if he's good it gets hard. Joe would have to Pritchard him and not play him to keep that contract value down for the extension.
Wagner would be hilarious. Just sit him for Lakers games.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:11 pm
by Smart2Nesmith43
Ben Sheppard Ivica Zubac Deni Avdija Zaccharie Risacher Donte DiVincenzo Corey Kispert Victor Wembanyama Aaron Nesmith Aaron Wiggins Naji Marshall Bilal Coulibaly John Konchar Miles McBride Tari Eason Jabari Smith Julian Champagnie Herb Jones
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:22 pm
by Marvel
Okongwu Dyson Daniels
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2025 5:52 am
by djFan71
Possibly Available ---------- Ben Sheppard Corey Kispert Aaron Wiggins Naji Marshall John Konchar Miles McBride Jabari Smith Julian Champagnie Herb Jones Kobe Brown Brandon Clarke Mo Wagner Iasiah Joe Aaaron Wiggins Jabari Smith Jr Lonzo Anthony Black Beef Stew WCJ Moses Moody Jarace Walker Jeremy Sochan Donte DiVincenzo
This was a fun exercise. I tried to put them in tiers 1) actually available/possible 2) unlikely but not crazy and 3) "Wildcards"
Preferred realistic possibilities: Rui Hachimura (27 y/o, $18m/1)- doesn't quite fit the bill as he's on an expiring contract and I'm not 100% on how available he'd be, but I love his fit as a long-term Horford replacement (and his nickname is the Black Samurai which is amazing). In the right system I think he has all-star upside.
Dalton Knecht (24 y/o, $4m/3)- seems like the most likely Lakers trade casualty for an upgrade. I like him as a target in a 3 way deal where we re-route a center like Gafford or Vucevic to the Lakers in exchange for Knecht and one of their expiring contracts. Could then make Hauser more expendable for cap savings
Daniel Gafford (26 y/o, $14.3/1)- expiring, but he's a guy I'd kick the tires on. I don't know much upside there is here but I love the floor.
Walker Kessler (23 y/o, $4.8m/1)- another expiring but he's RFA so at least there's control. I've talked myself in and out on Kessler a couple of times now, but he seems like he could eventually make a bit of a jump
Derrick Jones Jr. (27 y/o, $10m/2)- not so much a guy I'd target overall but if LAC ended up wanting Jrue he's a piece I want back. Not going to break out but I like him as a jack of all trades
Possible but dice rolls: Wendell Carter Jr (26 y/o, $20m/3)- I had pegged him as a really strong potential Horford replacement and then his 3pt % dropped off a cliff. Possibly worth a dice roll given how much better he was the previous two years but I'm less keen now
Saddiq Bey (26 y/o, $6m/2)- this is an interesting one. He missed all last year with an ACL, Wizards have 3 picks this draft plus enough kids already on the roster. They could be happy to get off this reclamation project and we could pick up the reigns and hope to get a cheap/healthy bench talent.
Patrick Williams (23 y/o, $18m/4)- I recently talked myself into Pat Williams as a reclamation project before being laughed at by a friend who is a Bull's fan. The potential is there but this year was ugly and that contract is long.
Unlikely but still an outside shot: Jarrett Allen (27 y/o,$30m/3)- I don't think he's actually on the block but I do love the Fro. Would be willing to front assets to get him and finally solve our rebounding woes
Isaiah Stewart (24 y/o, $15m/3)- probably more available than the Fro despite being a fan favorite. Again would love to add for toughness inside
Onyeka Okongwu (24 y/o, $15.5m/3)- my final unrealistic big man. Think he could make a jump in the future, the contract is really favorable, but exactly why I don't think Atlanta move him
Anthony Black (21 y/o, $9m/2)- I've always liked this kid and his defense in the playoffs really stuck out. Think the ship sailed on this one, but the Magic do have a glut of guards with Suggs coming back so maybe there's a chance
Terrance Mann (28 y/o, $15.5m/3)- not a huge upside play but again his contract vs. production is strong, good size too
PJ Washington (26 y/o, $14m/1)- expiring and likely not the ballast Dallas want to give up given how well he worked there, but would love to be able to stick him at the 4 in lineups with JB/JT playing 2/3 and having good size and athelticism on the court at the wings.
Keldon Johnson (25 y/o, $17.5m/2)- I thought there was some promise there when he was putting up big numbers on a tanking team but the efficiency hasn't been there since. If he could get that up he's got the tools to be a well-rounded guard/wing
Devin Vassell (24 y/o, $27m/4)- real risk of being vastly overpaid but also bigger upside than Keldon. Wouldn't surprise me if either jumped a tier in terms of talent
Herb Jones (26 y/o, $14.5m/2)- would cost an arm and a leg, but he's already got elite defense and a season where he put 40% up from 3. Just need to find a way to make that consistent.
Trey Murphy (24, $28m/4)- would cost the other arm and leg leaving you armless and legless, but now with two wings with huge upside. I worry that he's already made his leap and this is his ceiling but even then that's still a really good player
Wildcards: Kris Dunn (31 y/o, $5.5m/2)- over 30 but one of the best defensive guards in the game. Love the cost vs. impact 2nd draft players (Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Dalen Terry, Cam Whitmore, Noah Clowney, James Nnaji, Leonard Miller, Colby Jones, Julian Phillips, Mouhamed Gueye etc.), just examples of guys on rookie scale deals who are on track to be disappointments/busts from various stages of the draft.
Not saying we go after these guys specifically, but I would take another Jaden Springer-esque shot on anyone Brad really liked coming out of the draft who haven't blossomed yet. Most will be a little expensive salary wise and all are unlikely to work out but, risk/reward can be really good if you find a diamond in the rough.
Literally any player on the Thunder, but in particular these guys who could end up on the bubble there: Jaylin Williams (22 y/o, $2m/1)- becomes an UFA (with bird rights), in terms of on court impact the least likely here to move, but because of the contract they may decide to get value before he could walk for nothing Isaiah Joe (25 y/o, $12m/3)- great shooter, think he's got more to his game than just spotting up Aaron Wiggins (26 y/o, $9/4)- solid all around, great bench guard, declining contract, sign me up Ajay Mitchell (22 y/o, $3m/1)- solid numbers in limited action, young/cheap Kenrich Williams (30 y/o, $7m/2)- he's over 30 but I've always though he was a super solid bench piece. Great price for a contender Dillon Jones (23 y/o, $3.3/3)- liked him as a draft target for us, if he's a roster crunch victim I'd try to buy low on him.
HOLY **** the Thunder has so much ridiculous talent on their roster. It's insane.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2025 3:55 pm
by djFan71
Spoiler:
cl2117 wrote:This was a fun exercise. I tried to put them in tiers 1) actually available/possible 2) unlikely but not crazy and 3) "Wildcards"
Preferred realistic possibilities: Rui Hachimura (27 y/o, $18m/1)- doesn't quite fit the bill as he's on an expiring contract and I'm not 100% on how available he'd be, but I love his fit as a long-term Horford replacement (and his nickname is the Black Samurai which is amazing). In the right system I think he has all-star upside.
Dalton Knecht (24 y/o, $4m/3)- seems like the most likely Lakers trade casualty for an upgrade. I like him as a target in a 3 way deal where we re-route a center like Gafford or Vucevic to the Lakers in exchange for Knecht and one of their expiring contracts. Could then make Hauser more expendable for cap savings
Daniel Gafford (26 y/o, $14.3/1)- expiring, but he's a guy I'd kick the tires on. I don't know much upside there is here but I love the floor.
Walker Kessler (23 y/o, $4.8m/1)- another expiring but he's RFA so at least there's control. I've talked myself in and out on Kessler a couple of times now, but he seems like he could eventually make a bit of a jump
Derrick Jones Jr. (27 y/o, $10m/2)- not so much a guy I'd target overall but if LAC ended up wanting Jrue he's a piece I want back. Not going to break out but I like him as a jack of all trades
Possible but dice rolls: Wendell Carter Jr (26 y/o, $20m/3)- I had pegged him as a really strong potential Horford replacement and then his 3pt % dropped off a cliff. Possibly worth a dice roll given how much better he was the previous two years but I'm less keen now
Saddiq Bey (26 y/o, $6m/2)- this is an interesting one. He missed all last year with an ACL, Wizards have 3 picks this draft plus enough kids already on the roster. They could be happy to get off this reclamation project and we could pick up the reigns and hope to get a cheap/healthy bench talent.
Patrick Williams (23 y/o, $18m/4)- I recently talked myself into Pat Williams as a reclamation project before being laughed at by a friend who is a Bull's fan. The potential is there but this year was ugly and that contract is long.
Unlikely but still an outside shot: Jarrett Allen (27 y/o,$30m/3)- I don't think he's actually on the block but I do love the Fro. Would be willing to front assets to get him and finally solve our rebounding woes
Isaiah Stewart (24 y/o, $15m/3)- probably more available than the Fro despite being a fan favorite. Again would love to add for toughness inside
Onyeka Okongwu (24 y/o, $15.5m/3)- my final unrealistic big man. Think he could make a jump in the future, the contract is really favorable, but exactly why I don't think Atlanta move him
Anthony Black (21 y/o, $9m/2)- I've always liked this kid and his defense in the playoffs really stuck out. Think the ship sailed on this one, but the Magic do have a glut of guards with Suggs coming back so maybe there's a chance
Terrance Mann (28 y/o, $15.5m/3)- not a huge upside play but again his contract vs. production is strong, good size too
PJ Washington (26 y/o, $14m/1)- expiring and likely not the ballast Dallas want to give up given how well he worked there, but would love to be able to stick him at the 4 in lineups with JB/JT playing 2/3 and having good size and athelticism on the court at the wings.
Keldon Johnson (25 y/o, $17.5m/2)- I thought there was some promise there when he was putting up big numbers on a tanking team but the efficiency hasn't been there since. If he could get that up he's got the tools to be a well-rounded guard/wing
Devin Vassell (24 y/o, $27m/4)- real risk of being vastly overpaid but also bigger upside than Keldon. Wouldn't surprise me if either jumped a tier in terms of talent
Herb Jones (26 y/o, $14.5m/2)- would cost an arm and a leg, but he's already got elite defense and a season where he put 40% up from 3. Just need to find a way to make that consistent.
Trey Murphy (24, $28m/4)- would cost the other arm and leg leaving you armless and legless, but now with two wings with huge upside. I worry that he's already made his leap and this is his ceiling but even then that's still a really good player
Wildcards: Kris Dunn (31 y/o, $5.5m/2)- over 30 but one of the best defensive guards in the game. Love the cost vs. impact 2nd draft players (Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Dalen Terry, Cam Whitmore, Noah Clowney, James Nnaji, Leonard Miller, Colby Jones, Julian Phillips, Mouhamed Gueye etc.), just examples of guys on rookie scale deals who are on track to be disappointments/busts from various stages of the draft.
Not saying we go after these guys specifically, but I would take another Jaden Springer-esque shot on anyone Brad really liked coming out of the draft who haven't blossomed yet. Most will be a little expensive salary wise and all are unlikely to work out but, risk/reward can be really good if you find a diamond in the rough.
Literally any player on the Thunder, but in particular these guys who could end up on the bubble there: Jaylin Williams (22 y/o, $2m/1)- becomes an UFA (with bird rights), in terms of on court impact the least likely here to move, but because of the contract they may decide to get value before he could walk for nothing Isaiah Joe (25 y/o, $12m/3)- great shooter, think he's got more to his game than just spotting up Aaron Wiggins (26 y/o, $9/4)- solid all around, great bench guard, declining contract, sign me up Ajay Mitchell (22 y/o, $3m/1)- solid numbers in limited action, young/cheap Kenrich Williams (30 y/o, $7m/2)- he's over 30 but I've always though he was a super solid bench piece. Great price for a contender Dillon Jones (23 y/o, $3.3/3)- liked him as a draft target for us, if he's a roster crunch victim I'd try to buy low on him.
HOLY **** the Thunder has so much ridiculous talent on their roster. It's insane.
Wow, great list. I'll dive through in a bit. I just posted a trade that brought back Mann, Rui and Knecht - by sending Gafford to the Lakers, lol.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2025 8:25 pm
by redslastlaugh
I have to say, I have no clue which youngish players the front office would be interested in... If they think the reason they came up short in 2023 was bad shooting luck and the reason they came up short in in 2025 was bad injury luck, I think they'll simply continue on the same course with younger players. That means, they'll fundamentally be interested in just younger players with a high 3pt percentage and physical defense...
guys under 30 yrs: Trey Murphy Max Strus Lu Dort Ochai Agbaji Taylor Hendricks Jaden Ivery JaKobe Walter Julian Champagne Marcus Sasser
some of these guys have been mentioned already
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:55 pm
by ConstableGeneva
Jordan Walsh
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:10 am
by djFan71
ConstableGeneva wrote:Jordan Walsh
C'mon. Boston would never trade him. Especially to the Celtics.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:20 am
by djFan71
Spoiler:
cl2117 wrote:This was a fun exercise. I tried to put them in tiers 1) actually available/possible 2) unlikely but not crazy and 3) "Wildcards"
Preferred realistic possibilities: Rui Hachimura (27 y/o, $18m/1)- doesn't quite fit the bill as he's on an expiring contract and I'm not 100% on how available he'd be, but I love his fit as a long-term Horford replacement (and his nickname is the Black Samurai which is amazing). In the right system I think he has all-star upside.
Dalton Knecht (24 y/o, $4m/3)- seems like the most likely Lakers trade casualty for an upgrade. I like him as a target in a 3 way deal where we re-route a center like Gafford or Vucevic to the Lakers in exchange for Knecht and one of their expiring contracts. Could then make Hauser more expendable for cap savings
Daniel Gafford (26 y/o, $14.3/1)- expiring, but he's a guy I'd kick the tires on. I don't know much upside there is here but I love the floor.
Walker Kessler (23 y/o, $4.8m/1)- another expiring but he's RFA so at least there's control. I've talked myself in and out on Kessler a couple of times now, but he seems like he could eventually make a bit of a jump
Derrick Jones Jr. (27 y/o, $10m/2)- not so much a guy I'd target overall but if LAC ended up wanting Jrue he's a piece I want back. Not going to break out but I like him as a jack of all trades
Possible but dice rolls: Wendell Carter Jr (26 y/o, $20m/3)- I had pegged him as a really strong potential Horford replacement and then his 3pt % dropped off a cliff. Possibly worth a dice roll given how much better he was the previous two years but I'm less keen now
Saddiq Bey (26 y/o, $6m/2)- this is an interesting one. He missed all last year with an ACL, Wizards have 3 picks this draft plus enough kids already on the roster. They could be happy to get off this reclamation project and we could pick up the reigns and hope to get a cheap/healthy bench talent.
Patrick Williams (23 y/o, $18m/4)- I recently talked myself into Pat Williams as a reclamation project before being laughed at by a friend who is a Bull's fan. The potential is there but this year was ugly and that contract is long.
Unlikely but still an outside shot: Jarrett Allen (27 y/o,$30m/3)- I don't think he's actually on the block but I do love the Fro. Would be willing to front assets to get him and finally solve our rebounding woes
Isaiah Stewart (24 y/o, $15m/3)- probably more available than the Fro despite being a fan favorite. Again would love to add for toughness inside
Onyeka Okongwu (24 y/o, $15.5m/3)- my final unrealistic big man. Think he could make a jump in the future, the contract is really favorable, but exactly why I don't think Atlanta move him
Anthony Black (21 y/o, $9m/2)- I've always liked this kid and his defense in the playoffs really stuck out. Think the ship sailed on this one, but the Magic do have a glut of guards with Suggs coming back so maybe there's a chance
Terrance Mann (28 y/o, $15.5m/3)- not a huge upside play but again his contract vs. production is strong, good size too
PJ Washington (26 y/o, $14m/1)- expiring and likely not the ballast Dallas want to give up given how well he worked there, but would love to be able to stick him at the 4 in lineups with JB/JT playing 2/3 and having good size and athelticism on the court at the wings.
Keldon Johnson (25 y/o, $17.5m/2)- I thought there was some promise there when he was putting up big numbers on a tanking team but the efficiency hasn't been there since. If he could get that up he's got the tools to be a well-rounded guard/wing
Devin Vassell (24 y/o, $27m/4)- real risk of being vastly overpaid but also bigger upside than Keldon. Wouldn't surprise me if either jumped a tier in terms of talent
Herb Jones (26 y/o, $14.5m/2)- would cost an arm and a leg, but he's already got elite defense and a season where he put 40% up from 3. Just need to find a way to make that consistent.
Trey Murphy (24, $28m/4)- would cost the other arm and leg leaving you armless and legless, but now with two wings with huge upside. I worry that he's already made his leap and this is his ceiling but even then that's still a really good player
Wildcards: Kris Dunn (31 y/o, $5.5m/2)- over 30 but one of the best defensive guards in the game. Love the cost vs. impact 2nd draft players (Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Dalen Terry, Cam Whitmore, Noah Clowney, James Nnaji, Leonard Miller, Colby Jones, Julian Phillips, Mouhamed Gueye etc.), just examples of guys on rookie scale deals who are on track to be disappointments/busts from various stages of the draft.
Not saying we go after these guys specifically, but I would take another Jaden Springer-esque shot on anyone Brad really liked coming out of the draft who haven't blossomed yet. Most will be a little expensive salary wise and all are unlikely to work out but, risk/reward can be really good if you find a diamond in the rough.
Literally any player on the Thunder, but in particular these guys who could end up on the bubble there: Jaylin Williams (22 y/o, $2m/1)- becomes an UFA (with bird rights), in terms of on court impact the least likely here to move, but because of the contract they may decide to get value before he could walk for nothing Isaiah Joe (25 y/o, $12m/3)- great shooter, think he's got more to his game than just spotting up Aaron Wiggins (26 y/o, $9/4)- solid all around, great bench guard, declining contract, sign me up Ajay Mitchell (22 y/o, $3m/1)- solid numbers in limited action, young/cheap Kenrich Williams (30 y/o, $7m/2)- he's over 30 but I've always though he was a super solid bench piece. Great price for a contender Dillon Jones (23 y/o, $3.3/3)- liked him as a draft target for us, if he's a roster crunch victim I'd try to buy low on him.
HOLY **** the Thunder has so much ridiculous talent on their roster. It's insane.
Ones that stick out - your whole first group and WCJ. Pat Will sticks out, but I agree with your friend. I didn't actually laugh, though. More of a groan.
Black, I would love to get as well. Like you said, tough, but small chance. I wonder what an offer would be? Knecht + top 4 protected 27 first (assuming we traded for Knecht... don't think any of our current guys would do it).
Agree with your take on the Mann/Jones/Murphy group. Tough to acquire (besides Mann) and probably maxed out, but still really good as is.
Don't necessarily agree on the SAS guys. I liked Vassell in the draft, but don't think BOS can take the risk at that $ level. Kong was another draft/current favorite, but, yeah, I don't see that one.
Screw the Zombie Sonics. But, if they wanna send us any of those guys, yes please. I really wanted Mitchell last draft.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 12:58 am
by shi-woo
First guy that came to mind is Reed Sheppard, a dude who didn't get a lick of time last year, but is a superb shooter and athlete. FVV is probably resigning, and he would most likely be in any trade for an upgrade. I really liked this guy in the draft process.
Really anyone on that HOU bench, from Tari, Jabari, and Cam. All these guys are solid prospects with some serious size. Jabari gets so much hate on here, but I genuinely see his potential, and think he has another gear on both sizes of the ball.
Anthony Black is literally going to be a White type player, and I think most of us recognize his skill.
Ivey is another dude that seems available in the right deal, and has shown potential to be a solid two way starter.
They aren't good trading partners, but again half of the Grizz bench look nice. Vince Williams, Pippen Jr, GG Jackson, and Santi all look like good rotation players who can fill a role.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:09 am
by Curmudgeon
I'd like to see the Celtics get Jaden Springer back.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:32 am
by brackdan70
ConstableGeneva wrote:Jordan Walsh
Yeah he’s the guy…and (checking roster….) we still got him!!!
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:04 am
by ConstableGeneva
brackdan70 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Jordan Walsh
Yeah he’s the guy…and (checking roster….) we still got him!!!
He's already on our roster?? Then we got everything we need.
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:07 am
by phincsfan
Jamison Battle
Re: Ideal Youngish Trade Targets?
Posted: Sat Jun 7, 2025 5:57 pm
by playa-hater
djFan71 wrote:Who do you all have as trade targets that aren't established stars yet? Guys in the "Derrick White mold" who we can try to nab early. With our moves to reduce salary with Jrue/KP, there's opportunity to try to get someone we actually like, not just take back bad salary. If it's a really good guy, we could add picks to make it happen.
Try to keep them in their 20s, and ideally signed for a few years at less than $20M/year.
My list in no order:
Lonzo Anthony Black Beef Stew WCJ - gets a little pricey on his extension, but doable Moses Moody Jarace Walker Jeremy Sochan Herb Jones
Nesmith was there before the last month put him beyond our realistic reach...