I've seen a thread on this before, but

SLCceltic · Post #1 » by **SLCceltic** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:00 pm

start big baby
baby is better and provides a lot on offense and facilitation, perk cant get a single call to go his way and i think its time to maybe see what we can get for perk

b/c lets face it perk plays his best as a starter, and would most likely go back to thug coming off the bench, when baby passes him up.....and that will be very soon

i have lost faith in perk and dont like to see him on the floor during close score stretches

baby is a rookie, and is better than perk in a lot of ways already.
the only advantage perk has over baby is height------baby is much smarter and would rise to the occasion if made the starter----a la rondo this season..........most doubted his ability to run the team, but he has proven a lot wrong as i knew he would

perk is a BUST.........i met him and like him a lot, but he is a big fat BUST

Post #2 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:30 pm

i don't see baby passing perk on the depth chart this year. maybe next year, but Baby has a LONG way to go defensively before he's even in the same ballpark as Perk. Baby is a nice energy guy to have off the bench but Perk >>>>>>>>>> Baby right now.

I still don't understand where this hate is coming from. Perk is a #27 pick who has done nothing but work his ass off and try his best to fill his role. No matter what he does, the fact that a #27 pick is a starter on a good team makes him not a bust, period. And anyone who thinks he isn't still improving, you should watch Perk trying to finish around the rim last year compared to this one.

tombattor · Post #3 » by **tombattor** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:33 pm

I agree with ParticleMan. Perk is doing fine. He's playing D, getting rebounds, setting good screens and even making a few shots. What do you want from him? He'll never be the Chief.

I love Big Baby as much as anyone, but he's good for some nice stints off the bench. I don't think he can yet handle going toe-to-toe with the starting centers or even starting PFs of the NBA for 30 minutes a night.

DorfonCeltics · Post #4 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:48 pm

LOL, Perk is not the problem. Nowhere close.

daveisceltics · Post #5 » by **daveisceltics** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:50 pm

Perk is actually playing some really solid basketball.
It's the guard play we need to deal with as most of you all know.

Banks2Pierce · Post #6 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:30 pm

Perk is a bust????

Wow.

We need him starting and he has been doing a good job of it. You really want big baby D'ing up Dwight Howard?

I love big baby, but he is more suitable coming off the bench. I want glen davis getting way more minutes than he is getting now.

JJHondo17 · Post #7 » by **JJHondo17** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm

Perk is hardly the problem, without Perk's agressive defense on the perimeter early in the game Monday, we would have been behind from the beginning. Perk is a bust?? Hardly, he's doing what he supposed to do: play aggressive defense, rebound, take up space, intimidate and be the recipent of easy baskets when any of the Big Three (especially Garnett) are overplayed.

Datruth345 · Post #8 » by **Datruth345** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:12 pm

i didn't know the 27th overall pick could even be a bust

BillessuR6 · Post #9 » by **BillessuR6** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:23 pm

Oh, yeah, the 27th pick out of high school is a bust! We all know usually the 27th pick turns into an allstar! :roll:

Perk is not the problem here! He is perfect for what we need and that is defense and rebounding. The reason we have been playing so poorly the last few games is that we have no flow to our offense without Rondo. The ball movement is not there, no fast breaks, nothing.

We need offense off the bench and Davis can bring that on occasion. No need to mess this up.

Stop blaming Perk, he is not the problem.

Datruth345 · Post #10 » by **Datruth345** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:26 pm

i was thinking about this early

i can't recall any of the losses being directly related to the center position like you can with the point guard spot these last two games for instance

if i'm forgetting a play or a moment, feel free to correct me

Post #11 » by **darrendaye** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:35 pm

There's a reason you could only "recall" seeing a thread on this before. Because, for the most part, it's an idea not shared by the majority.

theman · Post #12 » by **theman** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:48 pm

daveisceltics wrote:Perk is actually playing some really solid basketball.
It's the guard play we need to deal with as most of you all know.

SLCceltic wrote:start big baby

at point guard.

SLCceltic · Post #13 » by **SLCceltic** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:20 pm

unbelievable all the love for perks game............unbelievable

i love perk, but if anyone thinks perk is better than davis, you are out side of your mind

as a rookie davis is actually more consistent---perk is all over the chart

as the #27 over all it is hard to call him a bust, but drafting a kid out of high school in the 1st constitutes a bust

baby is flat out better at
scoring
passing/facilitation
defense/footwork/not fouling
taking charges
handling the ball/putting it on the floor
being unassuming
getting calls
is hungrier
athleticism

perk is better at
being in the league longer

how the he77 can anyone who watches the games say perk is the superior player

baby will start for us in the play-offs, or pass perk in minutes

DelMonte West · Post #14 » by **DelMonte West** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:41 pm

I like Davis and all, but he IS NOT a better defensive player than Perkins. Any big man with range could go off on Davis on any given night since he's too short to challenge the shot.

In terms of being more athletic, it really depends on how you define athleticism. Davis is barely capable of dunking the ball. In terms of agility and body control he's better than Perk; Perk's actually underrated there as you could see by his little dribbling exhibition last game. Strength is possibly a wash, although I'd wager Perk has more stamina.

As far as offense goes, everything I've seen Baby score on has been layups or putbacks so far, so that's a stretch. He's probably more versatile in terms of shooting range, but less efficient. On top of all that Perk's at least 3 inches taller, in much better shape, and serves the needs of our starting lineup better.

Our team would be much, much worse if we lost Perk than if we lost Davis...

Post #15 » by **darrendaye** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:48 pm

DelMonte West wrote:I like Davis and all, but he IS NOT a better defensive player than Perkins. Any big man with range could go off on Davis on any given night since he's too short to challenge the shot.

In terms of being more athletic, it really depends on how you define athleticism. Davis is barely capable of dunking the ball. In terms of agility and body control he's better than Perk; Perk's actually underrated there as you could see by his little dribbling exhibition last game. Strength is possibly a wash, although I'd wager Perk has more stamina.

As far as offense goes, everything I've seen Baby score on has been layups or putbacks so far, so that's a stretch. He's probably more versatile in terms of shooting range, but less efficient. On top of all that Perk's at least 3 inches taller, in much better shape, and serves the needs of our starting lineup better.

Our team would be much, much worse if we lost Perk than if we lost Davis...

You're out of your mind. According to 82games.com, Davis has a hungry rating of 19.87 compared to Perk's 17.95. His assuming/unassuming ratio is 1.4, to Perk's 1.2. And, just look at this scouting video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyjrHiF2_6g does Perk have that footwork?

Ok, I need a break, my sarcasm monitor has been red-lining today.

Datruth345 · Post #16 » by **Datruth345** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:53 pm

SLCceltic wrote:how the he77 can anyone who watches the games say perk is the superior player

Lol...apparently everyone besides you doesn't know how to watch a basketball game

SLCceltic · Post #17 » by **SLCceltic** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:35 pm

not out of your minds, outside of your minds
and yes i guess im the only one who can watch a c's game correctly--jk

i get all that is being said here, but baby flat out has more to offer us than perkins---i cringe whenever perk makes a move and am delighted when he pulls it off

i look forward to seeing baby go to work b/c he dam near makes something positive happen every time
sure he is shorter, but his sheer massive size will make that ok---if he is caught in a bad matchup then sub
there are not 29 bad matchups for baby, more like 5-8

i believe in playing the most consistent performers and in baby's ultra short time in the league, he has proven more consistent than perk

perk=rebounding, traveling, solid d, fouls, difficult to coach (he is still doing all the same sheot he did as a rookie), poor free throw shooter

davis=rebounding, solid d, rookie fouls (fouls perk is still getting charged with), coachable (he is getting better and better and WILL pass perk), excellent ft shooter, and passer

originally i proposed moving perks good contract--------he's not going to get any better, so move him while his value is relatively high, b/c he plays even worse coming off the bench and that is where he is headed