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I love Leon and he has been playing extremely well of recent. Which started to make me think, is it possible that the reason he is getting Baby's minutes is because we maybe showcasing him? I think BB is obviously more talented then Leon, but Leon's defense has impressed me and his rebounding is amazing for a guy his size. If he was only 3 inches taller I think he would be our starting center. But anywho do u think there is any correlation to this? I remember a few yrs back when J.Reed was playing over Ryan Gomes and we were all a bit mystified by that and as it turned out J. Reed was sent packing for Wally and crew and Ryan was than sent in a much bigger deal I dont think we are trying to move BB but I wonder if we are trying "not show our hand" too much as we did with JReed and Gomes.
Any thoughts???

There was talk of this in another thread. You could be on to something though.

I have considered the possibility

Clips could use a power forward and he is from Cali.

hiphop1 wrote:There was talk of this in another thread. You could be on to something though.

my bad, mods feel free to merge this if needed...

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my bad, mods feel free to merge this if needed...

I wasnt tryin to be a jerk at all. I start new threads on old subjects all the time. Sorry

hiphop1 wrote:Clips could use a power forward and he is from Cali.

i was actually thinking maybe for cassell. i love tony allen and i am not against trading him for the right piece but i am not trading tony for a 38 yr old pg. But Powe has value and has another guy playing his spot so I was thinking more along the lines of including him somehow ina a cassell deal (scal, powe 2nd). Yes I know why would anyone want Scal but he is what owed 2 yrs at 3 mill? He is either an easy buyout or a good locker room guy.

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I wasnt tryin to be a jerk at all. I start new threads on old subjects all the time. Sorry

definetly didnt take it that way at all. no worries

It just struck me...

Powe for Beno Udrih - Powe's a fan favorite in Sac-town and north thereof, SAC is dirt thin in the front court, and Bibby's healthy

threrf23 wrote:It just struck me...

Powe for Beno Udrih - Powe's a fan favorite in Sac-town and north thereof, SAC is dirt thin in the front court, and Bibby's healthy

Very interesting Mr. Bond

reggielewis wrote:I love Leon and he has been playing extremely well of recent. Which started to make me think, is it possible that the reason he is getting Baby's minutes is because we maybe showcasing him? I think BB is obviously more talented then Leon, but Leon's defense has impressed me and his rebounding is amazing for a guy his size. If he was only 3 inches taller I think he would be our starting center. But anywho do u think there is any correlation to this? I remember a few yrs back when J.Reed was playing over Ryan Gomes and we were all a bit mystified by that and as it turned out J. Reed was sent packing for Wally and crew and Ryan was than sent in a much bigger deal I dont think we are trying to move BB but I wonder if we are trying "not show our hand" too much as we did with JReed and Gomes.
Any thoughts???

....let's make one thing clear...Powe isn't "getting" Glen Davis' minutes, he's moved himself up the depth chart and passed Pollard and Scal as a rotation player...2ndly, there are minutes for both of them in the frontcourt at the 4 and the 5 because KG and Perk can both play center and the Celtics also go small...

Davis didn't play in the Magic game because Scal and Posey were better perimeter match-ups defensively for Rashard Lewis...

Why is everything a player vs. player debate on this board?

Both Davis and Powe will play minutes and neither is "stealing" minutes from the other...neither player has shown themselves to be consistently THE guy to get ALL the extra minutes...Davis may have more overall talent, but he hasn't fully arrived yet and doesn't deserve to get 25mpg by default just because he smiles alot and is a media favorite...

These two will play a lot and they'll both help this club...its nice to know that if one is not effective on a given night then the team can go to another option with similar skills...its a GOOD thing to have both, not bad...

Put it this way...you play Glen Davis or Leon Powe 20mpg and how many 8-10pt 5-7 rebound games do you think they'll each get with that amount of playing time? Maybe 20-25 times in 100 games including the playoffs? But, having two of them you are probably going to get 40-50 games with that type of production with them either splitting those 20 minutes or alternating depending on who is hot...these two are young and developing role players...you don't decrease the frequency of production for bench players for the sake of "giving" one of them minutes...its too important for this team to maximize its total bench production, not wet-nurse fan sentimentality...

Two is better than one for this team's success, at least in the near future...after that we'll see...Powe did a pretty damn good defensive job on Howard tonight and he's an All Star...I think he can handle quite a few backups in this league...probably most of them...if the C's want to go small they should do it with a Powe/Davis tandem for 8-12 mpg depending on effectiveness...JMO

threrf23 wrote:It just struck me...

Powe for Beno Udrih - Powe's a fan favorite in Sac-town and north thereof, SAC is dirt thin in the front court, and Bibby's healthy

I think it makes more sense for Sacramento to trade Bibby than Udrih. Udrih's been a surprise this year. He is younger and they probably could get more in return for Bibby.

I think it would take more than Powe, Scal and **** draft pick to get it done. What doe people think of Powe, TA, and **** draft pick for Udrih and Jones?

If DA could sang Udrih, he might just steal the starting spot from Rondo. He is a better shooter and his assists and steals are more or less the same.

Let's make one thing clear - your full of it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that two undersized PF's will be playing for the same slot in the rotation. Yes Davis and Powe are fighting for the same rotation minutes. Just deal with it..

Pete

billfromBoston wrote:Two is better than one for this team's success, at least in the near future...after that we'll see...Powe did a pretty damn good defensive job on Howard tonight and he's an All Star...I think he can handle quite a few backups in this league...probably most of them...if the C's want to go small they should do it with a Powe/Davis tandem for 8-12 mpg depending on effectiveness...JMO

i would like to see the Powe and Davis in at the same time instead of watching Posey try to play the four spot.

What doe people think of Powe, TA, and **** draft pick for Udrih and Jones?

Don't see the Kings doing that one. Udrih actually has some value with the way he's played this year, Powe and TA are nice backups I doubt they are guys any team is really interested in acquiring.

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If DA could sang Udrih, he might just steal the starting spot from Rondo. He is a better shooter and his assists and steals are more or less the same.

I'd envision Udrih off the bench. Rondo is less turnover prone and a better passer. Rondo's defensive ability (he does have it even if he hasn't been using it well) complements Ray Allen, Udrih's shooting ability complements Tony Allen.

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What doe people think of Powe, TA, and **** draft pick for Udrih and Jones?

Don't see the Kings doing that one. Udrih actually has some value with the way he's played this year, Powe and TA are nice backups I doubt they are guys any team is really interested in acquiring.

I think TA has some value, but I think that a.) Sacramento doesn't have a place for him, and b.) I wouldn't give him up for a package like that. We've got his rights and we'd be trading him for a lesser player IMO (Jones), a short term rental of a back-up PG, and a pick that doesn't help us in the playoffs this season. Sure it would help us next season, but so can a TA sign and trade hypothetically

GuyClinch wrote:Let's make one thing clear - your full of it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that two undersized PF's will be playing for the same slot in the rotation. Yes Davis and Powe are fighting for the same rotation minutes. Just deal with it..

Pete

...with the exception of the Magic game Powe and Davis have been playing minutes together in the frontcourt...I clearly stated that time spent together would probably never exceed 8+ minutes per game, but as I also stated, with KG and Perkins both having the height and length to play center its not out of the question to use the four of them in a frontcourt rotation....

You're premise that they have to be in direct competition is wrong and the minutes distribution this season validates that...KG has played center in every game this year, but it has been Posey manning the 4 in these situations...there are very few traditional 5's and many of the backup 5's in this league pose ZERO offensive threat when on the floor, easily being stopped by body contact and positioning...

So, based off the FACTS that:

1. Perk and KG have played most of the Center minutes
2. Doc likes to go with a smaller mobile lineup at times
3. Powe and Davis have played together over the last 5 games in a small lineup and done it successfully
4. A vast majority of centers don't pose a viable threat offensively even if defended by a "smaller" defender
5. Pollard/Scal are clearly inferior to Powe/Davis

...I'd say that it is actually quite feasible that the two ARE NOT fighting directly for minutes...do their positions overlap? Yes...but they are not reliant on one or the other playing...both can be used together on a game to game basis based on matchups...

For the record, I think Davis is the better overall talent because of his superior offensive skills...I see him as a starting claliber player in time who could develop into a team's 3rd option if he maximizes his physical conditioning and works on his face-up game...I think Powe is a Udonis Haslem type...situational starter but certain rotation backup...

My point in all this? While KG and Perk are here both Davis and Powe can get playing time and contribute to this team...they're already doing it...in the long term, I can see Davis developing into the starting 4 for the Celtics , especially with KG as a mentor....

...BUT....

I see no reason not to keep Leon Powe around for the long term with the intention of him being the backup 4 in the future...the team is going to need a backup PF to play with Perk/Davis/Rondo and whomever else constitutes the young core of this team 3-4 season's from now....if Powe is capable of contributing as a backup 4 and 5 situationally, will cost the team around the league minimum to retain, and could grow with the team and have a more prominent role in the future...why wouldn't you plan to keep both?

There are 96 minutes available in the front-court and injuries are always a part of the equation...a more traditionally sized backup 5 is something I'm sure the team will look at this off-season, but in the end its talent that wins, not size...Powe can defend and rebound at a high rate, certainly well enough to out produce many of the backup 5's that get trotted out by other teams...if Powe and Davis show that they can be an effective tandem off the bench this year, there is no pressing need to make a decision on one or the other, because it won't be long before we'll need both a lot more than we do now...KG's 31 years old and big men of quality don't grow on trees...

Let's not be in such a hurry to get rid of players that contribute...i'd be more concerned about replacing the one's on the roster who don't...

I don't think Udrih is what this team is looking for in a PG nor does SAC have any reason to move him. Beyond that they have about a billion dollars worth of undersized PF's.

While I can see both Powe and Davis on this team going forward, especially because Leon could develop into a very physical defender at the SF spot as well as the PF, I also think that Leon is being showcased for a deal.

I don't think Boston is looking to give him away as much as trying to use him to get Scal's contract out of town to free salary up for next season as well as address the weaknesses this team has in the backcourt.

There is no reason to be talking about Cassell unless it is a trade. The guy has value in a deal even if it is just an expiring and a draft pick. He is also going to be more interested in a trade as it will keep his bird rights intack so he can get a nice salary for one more season and not get caught up in teams trying to split up the MLE.

In the end I think that Sam would rather be in Boston than LAC, but I don't know that Boston is going to be his first choices if he is a FA. Other teams can offer him more of a role.

i would like to see Cassell or Udrih on the Celtics, how realistic or feasible those options are, i don't know