Got to get in on the MIKE MILLER Sweepstakes. Why and how.

sarcasma · Post #1 » by **sarcasma** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:55 pm

Doc Rivers loves this guy, he coached him in Memphis and I believe was on the Magic the year Rivers won coach of the year. He is a legit, consistent scoring threat and 3 point shooter. Imagine this, you deal with the big 3 and then Posey, House, and Miller come in and you have to deal with them. Some people will say dont disturb the chemistry, but I'm sorry, I am sick and tired of Tony "Butter Dribbler" Allen making a good play and then turning it over on the next possession. He comes off the books this year and would you want to pay him 4 to 6 millin a year??? Heres the only trade I could find to work on trade checker. MIKE MILLER for Tony Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Scot Pollard, Gabe Pruitt, Glen Davis, and 3 million in cash to pay for a year of Scalabrines contract. Miller and Scals contracts are the same length only Miller Makes about 6 million more. I know first thing you are gonna say is "We have no big man depth now" this is true but Memphis will waive Scot Pollard and then we resign him. Your basically getting a guaranteed solid player for Tony Allen and a career hustling big man in Glen Davis....Davis is TOO short to ever amount to something special. Gabe Pruitt..who knows. I would like to know what the Celtics community on here thinks of this idea. Leon Powe is taller, more athletic, and a better scorer than Davis, I say keep him and let Davis go.....in 2 years when they are free agents, we wont be able to keep both anyways. Mike Miller is a borderline allstar and coming off the bench would be unreal.

phoolishly_insane · Post #2 » by **phoolishly_insane** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:02 pm

It won't happen.

lojowo · Post #3 » by **lojowo** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:04 pm

So, how do we fill our bench after the trade?

Wouldnt we just have league minimums to work with at that point?

Trade will leave us with 9 players, so we need to add three NBDL players to complete our roster?

Mike Millers a great shooter, but how many wins would the Celtics have now if we had him and not our bench?

Relative Autonomy · Post #4 » by **Relative Autonomy** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:04 pm

This is trade is terrible is not going to happen. Also you can't sign some one you just traded. In many threads recently, posters have brought up this rule to shoot down asinine ideas like this.

BillessuR6 · Post #5 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:22 pm

Olowokandi+Allen+Powe+2nd round pick for Miller is more than enough...

Jammer · Post #6 » by **Jammer** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:30 pm

thebirdman wrote:Olowokandi+Allen+Powe+2nd round pick for Miller is more than enough...

Very astute, birdman.

Use free agent Olowokandi in a sign and trade.

Sign and trade contracts must be a minimum 3 years in length,

but only the first year has to be guaranteed,

which since half the first season is done, Olowokandi would get even less in his pocket.

However, since the Celtics are in the lux tax zone, they will not add Mike Miller's $9 million and $9.75 million contracts for the next two seasons, let alone this season.

If Miller were a center or point guard they might, but not with the defense that Miller can't play.

It will be interesting to see what the Celtics can re-sign Tony Allen for.

Fencer reregistered · Post #7 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:35 pm

thebirdman wrote:Olowokandi+Allen+Powe+2nd round pick for Miller is more than enough...

That's creative. And Chris Wallace knows Tony Allen.

But if we assume Posey continues to concentrate on the 4, Allen for Miller is a defensive downgrade. And I wouldn't give up even Powe this season unless we're adding Birdman or somebody.

Post #8 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:57 pm

I like Mike Miller but he is very expensive, and a defensive downgrade from Tony.

I still find it amazing that people continue to hate on TA. The guy is getting better week by week, you can see it. He is capable of being a big-time scorer, and the only other guy besides Pierce who can slash to the hole consistently. He is a good defender, way better than Miller. I just can't see us spending insane amounts of money for Mike Miller who will be a bench player for us, and is not THAT much of an upgrade.

Post #9 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:37 pm

Where have you guys heard that Mike Miller is available?

floyd · Post #10 » by **floyd** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:54 pm

via hoopshype

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

GonzoLays · Post #11 » by **GonzoLays** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:01 pm

We don't need Mike Miller. We already have a hard enough time getting shots for our big three, much less Mike Miller.

You can't build a team with guys who like to score. If Mike Miller isn't scoring, what is he giving you? Nothing. When Mike Miller shoots, he is only taking away shots from the Big Three.

This isn't fantasy basketball. You need ROLE players to win the NBA. Everybody can't shoot th ball.

The only thing we accomplish in that trade is lowering Ray's and Paul's scoring average. Nothing more, nothing less.

cfan79 · Post #12 » by **cfan79** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:05 pm

sarcasma wrote:Doc Rivers loves this guy, he coached him in Memphis and I believe was on the Magic the year Rivers won coach of the year.

Not to get off subject, but Doc never coached Memphis. Back on subject, Miller would be great off the bench. Even though his defense sucks that wouldn't matter because we've got so many other solid defenders.

celtxman · Post #13 » by **celtxman** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:35 pm

Judging what our old friend Chris Wallace got for Pau Gasol, I would offer Scal and the rights to Vin Baker. Who knows we may get them to throw in a couple of first rounders.

chakdaddy · Post #14 » by **chakdaddy** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:10 pm

I was actually thinking about Olowokandi. We should sign him at the end of the season so he's on the roster, and we will have had him for 3 years and gotten his Bird rights. Then, couldn't we sign him to a 30 million dollar 3 yr contract, 1 year guaranteed, and use him as whatever ballast we want for a trade?

This loophole is going to be gone soon. As soon as someone abuses it like the Bulls planned to with PJ Brown. (Signing and trading another teams' assistant coach like Aaron McKie isn't that much of abuse since it wasn't a big contract or really used for ballast.)

kmgarnett21 · Post #15 » by **kmgarnett21** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:50 pm

this is crazy. about 4 days ago i was drivin & a commercial on espn was advertising the grizz-mavs game on that night & i thought to myself, man i wish there was a way we could get mike miller, he'd be a GREAT addition to our team, but i dont think there's any way we get him

but then look at it this way. the lakers got gasol, an all-star caliber player, for kwame brown, crittendon, mckie & a couple of 1st rounders. miller's no all-star, so who knows what it would take. apparently memphis is in a full out clearance mode.

but i still doubt it.

Post #16 » by **shackles10** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:30 pm

We could resign Pollard in 30 days but by then it'd be past the time where he can be eligible for the playoffs. He's a vet. min. guy anyways so do we really even need to include him? These are problems with a deal that would never happen anyways.

bceltic55 · Post #17 » by **bceltic55** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:35 pm

We have Posey, we do not need Miller. We do need a PF/C and Or a back up pg.

The Rondo Show · Post #18 » by **The Rondo Show** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:03 pm

cfan79 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not to get off subject, but Doc never coached Memphis. Back on subject, Miller would be great off the bench. Even though his defense sucks that wouldn't matter because we've got so many other solid defenders.

I assume the poster meant Doc coached him in Orlando and has said he liked him a lot.

Mike Miller would really be incredible off the bench for us. He can create for himself (and a bit for others), he's been unbelievably efficient, he can rebound and he's not awful defensively like people make him out to be-- he's just not good defensively. I doubt we have what it takes to get him, but it would be awesome to have him playing with Ray, Pierce or KG when we go to the 2nd unit and leave one of them in.

EvadedHavoc · Post #19 » by **EvadedHavoc** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:23 pm

If it aint broken dont fix it.

hickfromfrenchlick · Post #20 » by **hickfromfrenchlick** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:26 pm

ParticleMan wrote:I like Mike Miller but he is very expensive, and a defensive downgrade from Tony.

I still find it amazing that people continue to hate on TA. The guy is getting better week by week, you can see it. He is capable of being a big-time scorer, and the only other guy besides Pierce who can slash to the hole consistently. He is a good defender, way better than Miller. I just can't see us spending insane amounts of money for Mike Miller who will be a bench player for us, and is not THAT much of an upgrade.

As a longtime anti-Tony guy, I totally agree. I'm a pro-Tony guy now, and it's because he's developed his skills while waiting for his athleticism to return. And now that he's getting back the jump in his step, he's putting it all together.

I do think that he dribbles the ball way too much. But that's a function of not having enough ballhandlers, and it's something he can be coached out of.

He's been great recently. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Miller, considering how much they make. Miller's a great scorer but he's fairly one-dimensional.