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Remember when we picked up KG and Ray? Everyone else had these reactions:
"Well they haven't played a game together yet"
"They aren't proven."
"If one gets injured, their gone"
and when comparing us to other good teams:
"I'll take the proven team any day"

Now they had a thread comparing lakers to the Celtics. The majority agreed that Lakers were now superior to Boston even though we are already proven. This is some pretty messed up stuff. But I think this hatred comes from envy. Teams see us and they strive to be us. We are the definition of team. We play hard nosed d, and unselfish ball. Not to mention we have the best record in the league and an undefeated record against the West.

You guys aren't really "proven" considering what happened to Dallas last year. there's also the 6-4 in your last 10 thing that is scaring people. You also lost back-to-back games against WAS, who you might see in the playoffs. It does kinda scream DALLAS!!!!
There's also the fact that each of your three superstars have been on awesome teams just to crumble in the playoffs.

That said, I still think you guys are the best team right now.

Bgil wrote:You guys aren't really "proven" considering what happened to Dallas last year. there's also the 6-4 in your last 10 thing that is scaring people. You also lost back-to-back games against WAS, who you might see in the playoffs. It does kinda scream DALLAS!!!!
There's also the fact that each of your three superstars have been on awesome teams just to crumble in the playoffs.

That said, I still think you guys are the best team right now.

No, none of the 3 have "choked". We are more proven. We have the best record in the league WITHOUT Ray Allen and KG playing to their full potential. That 6-4 was one stretch of bad games which EVERY team experiences once in a season

none of that crap matter anyway. neither the lakers or C's have proven a thing. the proven teams this year are detroit and SA. until we dethrone them there's no point in chirping about paper teams.

As a rule, don't bother visiting the general forum. One Laker fan said he stopped reading my "garbage" after I told him Jefferson was a better player than Bynum and Odom following a bitter Laker whinefest about how McHale and Ainge had a "circle-jerk" that pre-empted the Garnett trade.

Bgil wrote:There's also the fact that each of your three superstars have been on awesome teams just to crumble in the playoffs.

This is just such an ignorant statement.

Awesome team?

Pierce, Walker, and Kenny Anderson? Live and die on the three just doesn't cut it.

Garnett, albeit Cassell, and an aging Sprewell? Against the 3 Peat Lakers?

Allen-Rashard Lewis on a team that wasn't built to succeed past a certain point in the playoffs- they didn't have the defense. The team had the third worst defensive rating in the league and couldn't be expected to contend with the Spurs.

So, no, none of them prior to this year have been on "awesome" teams.

Bgil wrote: there's also the 6-4 in your last 10 thing that is scaring people.

How's 6-4 scaring people. San Antonio is 5-5 and Detroit is 6-4 as well. Is that scaring people? We were also without Posey and KG for 3 games and Ray Allen for 1 game. If you don't have a 6-4 stretch during the season, then you are pretty much the 96-97 Chicago Bulls.

You also lost back-to-back games against WAS, who you might see in the playoffs. It does kinda scream DALLAS!!!!

Phoenix lost 2 games against Minnesota. Detroit lost twice to Sacramento. San Antonio lost to Seattle and Memphis among others...you get the picture.

There's also the fact that each of your three superstars have been on awesome teams just to crumble in the playoffs.

What? The Celtics teams that went to the playoffs with Pierce all overachieved. Ray Allen has never been on a great team and when he has been in the playoffs his team hasn't crumbled. And the only team KG was on the was close to great he went to WCF and lost to the Lakers with Shaq/Kobe.

The utter homerism from Laker fans is awesome. A bunch of them are saying stuff like We are by far the best team in the league. Gasol is pretty good but he definitely wont help their front court defense.

I wish we hadn't played those two games against the Lakers already...just so the C's could settle this quickly.

How's 6-4 scaring people. San Antonio is 5-5 and Detroit is 6-4 as well. Is that scaring people?

San Antonio and Detroit have been doing this for years... Boston hasn't. One could even go as far as to note that SA's record last year at this time was roughly the same and it's their strategy to sleep through the regular season and peak right before the playoffs.

Phoenix lost 2 games against Minnesota.

PHX isn't going to win a championship anytime soon. They're a good team but easily the most flawed "good" team in the league due to their gimicky lineup.

Detroit lost twice to Sacramento.

So? They're actually "proven"... ya know, the whole NBA championship, multiple NBA Finals thing...

Garnett, albeit Cassell, and an aging Sprewell? Against the 3 Peat Lakers?

Sorry but that was an awesome team. I live in MN and watch all their games. I thought they'd kick the crap out of the Lakers that year especially since Troy Hudson essentially handed them two games. Garnett didn't step up, period. He let old ass Karl Malone take him out of his game repeatedly and as soon as Kobe switched on to Troy Hudson the series was over.
How in the world he let Slava Medvadenko keep him at pedestrian levels of play is one of life's great mysteries.

They had Wally (prime), Hoiberg, Hassell (prime), and even a couple other guys coming off the bench playing great.
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Allen-Rashard Lewis on a team that wasn't built to succeed past a certain point in the playoffs- they didn't have the defense.

True, maybe. But they still went out like some punks.

Pierce, Walker, and Kenny Anderson? Live and die on the three just doesn't cut it.

Considering the shape of the Eastern Conference at the time, they were in a pretty damn good position. It's not like NJ was just some awesome team. But I'll retract the "awesome" comment in relation to the Celts... still crumbled to a rather weak NJ team though.

We were also without Posey and KG for 3 games and Ray Allen for 1 game.

So? Does that somehow excuse losing to Washington twice and being one rookie mistake away from losing to Minnesota? I can excuse Toronto because they're just one of those teams that can get ridiculously hot on any given night and beat anyone... but did you even watch the Minnesota game?

I wish we hadn't played those two games against the Lakers already...just so the C's could settle this quickly.

Settle what? I already said you guys have a better team. But to say you're "already proven" like the OP did is just not gonna fly with many people considering what happened to Dallas last year and the obvious parallels between them and you so far. Not to mention what's happened to Detroit in the last couple years.

don't forget that Ray Allen took his Bucks team to a Game 7 ECF against Philly in 2001.

Anyways, I can see where the "hate" is coming from. This Gasol trade has really ignited the fire and it doesn't help that both sides homers (LA & Bos) are already predicting a championship. Amongst it all, there are very few objective fans w/in the ranks.

Bgil wrote:

How's 6-4 scaring people. San Antonio is 5-5 and Detroit is 6-4 as well. Is that scaring people?

San Antonio and Detroit have been doing this for years... Boston hasn't. One could even go as far as to note that SA's record last year at this time was roughly the same and it's their strategy to sleep through the regular season and peak right before the playoffs.

Phoenix lost 2 games against Minnesota.

PHX isn't going to win a championship anytime soon. They're a good team but easily the most flawed "good" team in the league due to their gimicky lineup.

Detroit lost twice to Sacramento.

So? They're actually "proven"... ya know, the whole NBA championship, multiple NBA Finals thing...

Garnett, albeit Cassell, and an aging Sprewell? Against the 3 Peat Lakers?

Sorry but that was an awesome team. I live in MN and watch all their games. I thought they'd kick the crap out of the Lakers that year especially since Troy Hudson essentially handed them two games. Garnett didn't step up, period. He let old ass Karl Malone take him out of his game repeatedly and as soon as Kobe switched on to Troy Hudson the series was over.
How in the world he let Slava Medvadenko keep him at pedestrian levels of play is one of life's great mysteries.

They had Wally (prime), Hoiberg, Hassell (prime), and even a couple other guys coming off the bench playing great.
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Allen-Rashard Lewis on a team that wasn't built to succeed past a certain point in the playoffs- they didn't have the defense.

True, maybe. But they still went out like some punks.

Pierce, Walker, and Kenny Anderson? Live and die on the three just doesn't cut it.

Considering the shape of the Eastern Conference at the time, they were in a pretty damn good position. It's not like NJ was just some awesome team. But I'll retract the "awesome" comment in relation to the Celts... still crumbled to a rather weak NJ team though.

We were also without Posey and KG for 3 games and Ray Allen for 1 game.

So? Does that somehow excuse losing to Washington twice and being one rookie mistake away from losing to Minnesota? I can excuse Toronto because they're just one of those teams that can get ridiculously hot on any given night and beat anyone... but did you even watch the Minnesota game?

I wish we hadn't played those two games against the Lakers already...just so the C's could settle this quickly.

Settle what? I already said you guys have a better team. But to say you're "already proven" like the OP did is just not gonna fly with many people considering what happened to Dallas last year and the obvious parallels between them and you so far. Not to mention what's happened to Detroit in the last couple years.

First of all, the Celtics lost to Nets led by Kidd who was making his whole team look great. He was just the superior player and arguably the best player in the league that year. Not to mention they had RJ and K-Mart. Second off, how did KG crumble? Sam Cassell and Troy Hudson were out were out. At times KG was forced to play like a Guard. And how did Malone take him out of his game?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/sch ... &year=2004
Go look at the results
There is no doubt in my mind that had the whole team been healthy not only would Minnesota have beat the lakers but they would've won the championship.

The people who don't think we're proven or that were going to be like Mavs just are haters or they find change hard. They can't accept the fact that Boston is the best team in the league yet or that their predictions were all wrong so now their looking for Boston to slip up. People do it with all of Boston's sports teams.

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What? The Celtics teams that went to the playoffs with Pierce all overachieved. Ray Allen has never been on a great team and when he has been in the playoffs his team hasn't crumbled. And the only team KG was on the was close to great he went to WCF and lost to the Lakers with Shaq/Kobe.

great post!!!!

what can ya say to that ?

Bgil wrote:

How's 6-4 scaring people. San Antonio is 5-5 and Detroit is 6-4 as well. Is that scaring people?

San Antonio and Detroit have been doing this for years... Boston hasn't. One could even go as far as to note that SA's record last year at this time was roughly the same and it's their strategy to sleep through the regular season and peak right before the playoffs.

Name me a team that hasn't had a 6-4 stretch this year. Guess what, every team has (or they haven't because they haven't had a stretch this good). Why is it the Celtics have it it is suddenly a warning sign? The Celtics still have the best record in the league by a pretty good margin. As a result, taking their record against them is pretty dum. What if they would have lost against Dallas instead of Washington? You would have been saying how they can't beat good teams. The Celtics are on pace for one of the best records ever and they have to lose to someone.

1.They Hate the team because they felt like it was bought.

2.They hate us, bcuz some of us like to act snobby and superior. The hate then transfers to the team.

3.Laker's aren't basically a brand new team. They haven't lost any key players and have added another to an already good team.

You can't really blame them. We'll just have to see how it works out on the court.

First of all, the Celtics lost to Nets led by Kidd who was making his whole team look great. He was just the superior player and arguably the best player in the league that year.

Yeah, they still weren't "great". I put about 5 teams in the West above them overall. IIRC they would have been the 6-7 seed had they played in the West.

Not to mention they had RJ and K-Mart.

LOL! RJ was a rookie and K-Mart was vastly overrated as was shown in the NBA Finals. 4 Pointer couldn't guard him at all but it's not because he was just OMGSUPERAWESOME!

Second off, how did KG crumble?

Getting outplayed by Malone in game 1. Averaging something like 3.5 turnovers per game. Shooting 46% from the field. Damn near refusing to shoot the ball during crucial moments. Letting Slava and our other scrubs D him up. It was just a very KG-like performance.
You put Rasheed Wallace on him and he puts up 25/13/5, you put Slava on him and he puts up 25/13/5. He'll also get a ton of his points/reb when they don't matter. That's always been my issue with him.

At times KG was forced to play like a Guard.

No. He brought the ball up the court a lot. But that was because he was the only player we couldn't pressure full court... due to Malone not being able to provide that kind of defense.

There is no doubt in my mind that had the whole team been healthy not only would Minnesota have beat the lakers but they would've won the championship.

Maybe but the Lakers weren't completely healthy either. Malone, Fox, and George were all hurting.

The people who don't think we're proven or that were going to be like Mavs just are haters or they find change hard. They can't accept the fact that Boston is the best team in the league yet or that their predictions were all wrong so now their looking for Boston to slip up.

What kills me about you guys is that you act like you've been doing this for years. Like you guys are the Spurs, Suns, or Mavs or something. It's been 38 games. How many of the fans on this board even remember the last time the C's were in an NBA finals? It's been like 20 years.
I don't think you'll end up like the Mavs of last season but I could definitely see you guys end up like the Mavs of previous seasons when they would get beat by the Spurs. Of course, the Spurs of you conference is Detroit.

People do it with all of Boston's sports teams

The Red Sox deserved all the hate they ever got. They underachieved FOREVER! You can't brush it off as some kind of curse.
I don't remember anyone hating on the Pats other than those '72 Dolphins players. And all that stuff about SPygate they deserve. Actually that should be a FAR bigger issue than it currently is. They should own the Giants today though.
I don't follow hockey.

Allen-Rashard Lewis on a team that wasn't built to succeed past a certain point in the playoffs- they didn't have the defense.

True, maybe. But they still went out like some punks.

Just stop.

The Ray Allen lead Sonics destroyed the Kings in the first round, and then they gave the eventual NBA champion Spurs all that they could handle in a 6 game series that would have gone 7 games if not for a Tim Duncan buzzer beater. Even more impressive was the fact that Ray Allen did all of that without the help of Rashard Lewis who was injured for the better part of the Spurs series. If you call that going out like "some punks" I'd love to hear your take on the way the Lakers exit the playoffs each year in the post-Shaq era.

And don't get me started on Paul Pierce in the playoffs. He always raises his game.

Most of the Celtics hate is justified, or at least you have to understand that there is a reason behind the "hate" it's not blindly directed at the Celtics, there are reasons grounded in facts.

My personal reason for not being a fan of the Celtics is that I never liked them since the mini-rival they had with the Nets a few years back... Well there's that and the fact that a lot of Celtics players like to talk a big game and seem to be disrespecting their opponents this year.

They're similar to the Pats in that regard, they're a good team but one that constantly runs their mouth as a result of overconfidence.

Anyway, more than anything it's the Lakers hype that has gone to epic proportions right now. If you've read any of my posts you would know that I am maintaining the same stance I did when the Celtics acquired KG and Allen... Until the Lakers new group plays together and proves they're for real I could give a damn about them.

NetsForce wrote:Well there's that and the fact that a lot of Celtics players like to talk a big game and seem to be disrespecting their opponents this year.

They're similar to the Pats in that regard, they're a good team but one that constantly runs their mouth as a result of overconfidence.

That's pure, high-quality, unfiltered crap.

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That's pure, high-quality, unfiltered crap.

Hey it's an opinion that I and many other fans of other teams hold. Maybe you know something that I don't, or feel differently, but from an outsider's point of view that is the way the Celtics seem to be portraying themselves.

To each his own I guess, but if you were to create a thread like this on the general board to get a wider variety of opinions I'm sure you'd get a better idea of what I'm talking about.