I'm not comparing the 2 players, but when we traded for KG we gave a young big man that's now Minny's franchise and a solid roleplayer in Ryan Gomes. Plus we gave Minny back their sure to be high pick and another pick from us.
The Lakers meanwhile gave 2 crappy picks and a bunch of crappy players. It has to be one of the most lopsided trades I've ever seen and it should be investigated.
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It seems obvious that Pau went to a place where he would succeed.
Obviously the NBA wants the Lakers to have a competitive franchise, to keep the Kobemeister in town, and generate interest for fans.
The trades not as lopsided as appears.
Keep in mind that the Grizzlies basically had no use for Tyrus Thomas of Chicago, who was essentially Stromile Swift the Second in the Grizzlies view.
And Sefolosha of Chicago was viewed much worse than Mike Miller or Rudy Gay.
The Grizzlies wanted:
Expiring Contracts
$ 3 Million Cash
First Round Draft Picks
A true Shooting Guard
A tall Point Guard
A true Center
That was their shopping list, if you have followed this thing for the past year.
They got their shopping list !!!
$3 million Paid.
2008 1rst Round Pick, Top 3 Protected
2010 1rst Round Pick, Top 6 Protected
Javaris Crittenton is a tall point guard, or skinny shooting guard, depending how you look at him. He was on the shopping list.
Marc Gasol is MVP of the Spanish League. He fills a need on the shopping list.
Aaron McKie will probably be waived, and only paid for the balance of the season. That is an expiring on the shopping list.
Kwame Brown can be kept to finish the season, with a decision made over the summer.
If the Grizz don't re-sign Kwame, they will have $14 million minus what it takes to resign Navarro to throw at free agents. Anything that they don't spend this summer will carry over to the summer of 2009 !!!
It's a better deal than it looks.
A lot depends on Crittenton, of course, and whether Gasol ever comes over to play for them, but they can always trade his rights.
The Lakers made out like bandits, but the Grizzley offer from Chicago in February 2007 was rumored to be one of:
PJ Brown (expiring) + Tyrus Thomas + Thabo Sefolosha
PJ Brown (expiring) + Tyrus Thomas + First Round Pick
PJ Brown (expiring) + Thabo Sefolosha + 2 First Round Picks
If you look at those rumored Bulls offers from February 2007, you can see that the Grizzlies are way ahead of what Chicago probably offered just one year earlier.
Obviously the NBA wants the Lakers to have a competitive franchise, to keep the Kobemeister in town, and generate interest for fans.
The trades not as lopsided as appears.
Keep in mind that the Grizzlies basically had no use for Tyrus Thomas of Chicago, who was essentially Stromile Swift the Second in the Grizzlies view.
And Sefolosha of Chicago was viewed much worse than Mike Miller or Rudy Gay.
The Grizzlies wanted:
Expiring Contracts
$ 3 Million Cash
First Round Draft Picks
A true Shooting Guard
A tall Point Guard
A true Center
That was their shopping list, if you have followed this thing for the past year.
They got their shopping list !!!
$3 million Paid.
2008 1rst Round Pick, Top 3 Protected
2010 1rst Round Pick, Top 6 Protected
Javaris Crittenton is a tall point guard, or skinny shooting guard, depending how you look at him. He was on the shopping list.
Marc Gasol is MVP of the Spanish League. He fills a need on the shopping list.
Aaron McKie will probably be waived, and only paid for the balance of the season. That is an expiring on the shopping list.
Kwame Brown can be kept to finish the season, with a decision made over the summer.
If the Grizz don't re-sign Kwame, they will have $14 million minus what it takes to resign Navarro to throw at free agents. Anything that they don't spend this summer will carry over to the summer of 2009 !!!
It's a better deal than it looks.
A lot depends on Crittenton, of course, and whether Gasol ever comes over to play for them, but they can always trade his rights.
The Lakers made out like bandits, but the Grizzley offer from Chicago in February 2007 was rumored to be one of:
PJ Brown (expiring) + Tyrus Thomas + Thabo Sefolosha
PJ Brown (expiring) + Tyrus Thomas + First Round Pick
PJ Brown (expiring) + Thabo Sefolosha + 2 First Round Picks
If you look at those rumored Bulls offers from February 2007, you can see that the Grizzlies are way ahead of what Chicago probably offered just one year earlier.
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How do you know who the Bulls were offering for Gasol? Chicago reporters apparently dont even know for certain.
Sam Smith speculates like usual but Sam just makes up stuff
The intelligent guessers say that Nocioni. who Memphis tried to sign in offseason, was the centerpiece of the trade - but memphis had apparently changed its mind and didnt want long term deals even involving Nocioni.
Bulls are not shopping Thomas - they just hired a coach to work with him - and it is doubtful Memphis asked for him.
Bottom line seems to be that Memphis wanted expiring deals. Bulls apprently didnt want to trade Deng & Gordon and refused to sign and trade PJ Brown because the Bulls refuse to pay Lux Tax this season or ever.
With the Bulls, the whole thing was financial.
Sam Smith speculates like usual but Sam just makes up stuff
The intelligent guessers say that Nocioni. who Memphis tried to sign in offseason, was the centerpiece of the trade - but memphis had apparently changed its mind and didnt want long term deals even involving Nocioni.
Bulls are not shopping Thomas - they just hired a coach to work with him - and it is doubtful Memphis asked for him.
Bottom line seems to be that Memphis wanted expiring deals. Bulls apprently didnt want to trade Deng & Gordon and refused to sign and trade PJ Brown because the Bulls refuse to pay Lux Tax this season or ever.
With the Bulls, the whole thing was financial.
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These are the type of threads that pissed me off after we got KG. The NBA didnt help the Lakers. They just had very good timing. The Grizzlies are looking to sell their franchise very soon. Ownership needed to clear Paus salary off the books to make the franchise more financially enticing to potential owners.
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But they barely got 1st round picks at all; they basically got high 2nd round picks that require guaranteed contracts.
They didn't get anyone with near the value of Tyrus Thomas, and it's arguable whether they got anyone with the value of Sefolofsha.
And if they viewed Tyrus as the 2nd coming of Swift, what is Crittendon, the 4th coming of Stoudamire/Lowry/Conley?
Those Bulls offers are HORRIBLE but they are still MILES better than the Laker's offer.
They didn't get anyone with near the value of Tyrus Thomas, and it's arguable whether they got anyone with the value of Sefolofsha.
And if they viewed Tyrus as the 2nd coming of Swift, what is Crittendon, the 4th coming of Stoudamire/Lowry/Conley?
Those Bulls offers are HORRIBLE but they are still MILES better than the Laker's offer.
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chakdaddy wrote:But they barely got 1st round picks at all; they basically got high 2nd round picks that require guaranteed contracts.
They didn't get anyone with near the value of Tyrus Thomas, and it's arguable whether they got anyone with the value of Sefolofsha.
And if they viewed Tyrus as the 2nd coming of Swift, what is Crittendon, the 4th coming of Stoudamire/Lowry/Conley?
Those Bulls offers are HORRIBLE but they are still MILES better than the Laker's offer.
The grizzlies swapped what is sure to be a high second round pick for what is sure to be a low first round pick. If the Grizzlies are making this lousy deal for financial reasons. Swapping a high second round pick for a low first should not be a part of it.
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Uh, KG is so much better than Pau Gasol. KG is the best player in the NBA. Pau Gasol is like the 30th best player in the NBA.
Comparing the two trades as if they're somehow even remotely equal is kinda dumb. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
Comparing the two trades as if they're somehow even remotely equal is kinda dumb. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
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Cfan,
Ijust posted on the "Chris Wallace worst gm ever" that my take on this deal is that it was an inside deal orchestrated by Jerry West and rubber stamped by Wallace and that it smells. Danny and the C's took all kinds of crap that we stole Garnett when we gave up way more than the Lakers did for Gasol who is arguably ( although I disagree) a comparable player to Garnett. How come there were no other bids? How come all the other gms said they were stunned and surprised. With the celts garnett story there were rumors for 2-3 months. with this one it came out of nowhere. Of course now, Kupchak and Co say there were talks going on before but that's bull. This was an inside job pulled off by Jerry West who couldn't stand the thought of the C's possibly winning a championship so ignoring a clear conflict of interest he worked both sides of the fence and gave the Lakers inside information about getting gasol and what it would take. This deal stinks and Stern should look into it.
Ijust posted on the "Chris Wallace worst gm ever" that my take on this deal is that it was an inside deal orchestrated by Jerry West and rubber stamped by Wallace and that it smells. Danny and the C's took all kinds of crap that we stole Garnett when we gave up way more than the Lakers did for Gasol who is arguably ( although I disagree) a comparable player to Garnett. How come there were no other bids? How come all the other gms said they were stunned and surprised. With the celts garnett story there were rumors for 2-3 months. with this one it came out of nowhere. Of course now, Kupchak and Co say there were talks going on before but that's bull. This was an inside job pulled off by Jerry West who couldn't stand the thought of the C's possibly winning a championship so ignoring a clear conflict of interest he worked both sides of the fence and gave the Lakers inside information about getting gasol and what it would take. This deal stinks and Stern should look into it.
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It looks like competition has stepped in the room. Your team is kickin azz in the league and SOME here are worried about our lakers. We recieved about as much help as you got from McHale so as far as I have head around here that means no help at all, just a good business move. SEE YALL in JUNE!!
It looks like competition has stepped in the room. Your team is kickin azz in the league and SOME here are worried about our lakers. We recieved about as much help as you got from McHale so as far as I have head around here that means no help at all, just a good business move. SEE YALL in JUNE!!
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Red2 wrote:Cfan,
I just posted on the "Chris Wallace worst gm ever" that my take on this deal is that it was an inside deal orchestrated by Jerry West and rubber stamped by Wallace and that it smells.
This deal stinks and Stern should look into it
Thank you, its good to see that other people see that something is fishy. The problem with having Stern look into is that Stern was probably the guy who set it all up.