Tony Allen - Will another team attempt to sign him?

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 7:17 pm

I'm sure Tony Allen's play hasn't gone unnoticed. What teams do you think will attempt to sign him? What amount will it take for the Celts not to match the offer?

I'd hate to see TA go. His explosiveness is starting to return, and his jumper has never looked better.

DorfonCeltics · Post #2 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 8:37 pm

Yes, and the Celtics will match that offer. No team is going to give TA more than $5-6 mil a year. I'd match up to that point.

Dogen · Post #3 » by **Dogen** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 8:40 pm

Somehow I expect Tony will try to remain loyal to the Celtics and give them a shot at signing him for a decent deal. After all, the team has gone through the whole Chicago affair and two knee surgeries and has stuck by Tony. I can't remember Doc or Danny really every saying anything bad about the guy. He could have been out of the league by now.

Also, I doubt there is going to be huge interest for him. A likely scenario is that the C's sign him for two year deal for about what he's making now. This way he'll come up again for contract when we're looking at that sweet 2010 free agent market.

Datruth345 · Post #4 » by **Datruth345** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 8:41 pm

i am sure other teams will be interested, tony is and will remain an intriguing prospect simply for his ability to defend the perimeter and slash to the basket

to what degree or what that interest means monetarily, i don't know, we'll just have to wait and see i suppose

Dogen · Post #5 » by **Dogen** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 8:45 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:Yes, and the Celtics will match that offer. No team is going to give TA more than $5-6 mil a year. I'd match up to that point.

Could be. Is he worth more than Perk? I think he'll get offer maybe in the 3-5 range, which actually is more than he makes now (I had to check). I think the Celtics won't have to chase after him beyond 4 mil. Anyway, it seems like a lot of money to me, but Tony may have a 'family to feed'.

nasbahceltic · Post #6 » by **nasbahceltic** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:15 pm

I think they probably resign him. Only way I see him leaving is if the team wants to let him go. He's not going to garner any big time interest (above the mid-level) unless he pulls off something crazy in the playoffs ala Croshere a couple years back. Even then he's still a smaller 2 guard coming off of 2 knee surgeries my feeling is that he's here in 2008 and beyond

GreenMachine · Post #7 » by **GreenMachine** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:26 pm

If we wanted to resign him - why didn't we?

I am not saying we won't - I'm just wondering.

I kinda figured we were looking to trade him with Poe or Baby and a Pick. I think that gets you a solid rotation (7th, 8th, 9th) guy.

With Pau in LA and Shaq in Phx - I would look for us to sign Cassel (if possible) AND make a trade.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #8 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:30 pm

GreenMachine wrote:If we wanted to resign him - why didn't we?

I am not saying we won't - I'm just wondering.

I kinda figured we were looking to trade him with Poe or Baby and a Pick. I think that gets you a solid rotation (7th, 8th, 9th) guy.

With Pau in LA and Shaq in Phx - I would look for us to sign Cassel (if possible) AND make a trade.

Yeah, I think Ainge held off on signing him as expiring contracts are good trade pieces.

As for TA only getting around $4 million per year - I think someone might even try to offer him a mid-level exception. TA's still relatively young, and he's been solid coming off the bench this year. If Marcus Banks was able to get $6 million a year, there's no reason for me to believe that Tony Allen couldn't get mid-level money from some team.

Celts17Pride · Post #9 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:52 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:As for TA only getting around $4 million per year - I think someone might even try to offer him a mid-level exception.

No one is going to offer Tony Allen the mid-level exception. Think a contract like Charlie Bell of Milwaukee.

1st year - $3.1 mill
2nd year - $3.35 mill
3rd year - $3.60 mill
4th year - $3.85 mill

Four year deal around $14 mill total. The Celtics will just match the offer because he is a restricted free agent.

celticfan42487 · Post #10 » by **celticfan42487** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:41 pm

yes they will, and it won't be anything more then the MLE maybe less.

Will the celts match it? Depends on our draft and financials. If posey resigns we may just run re-sign House and use him as a SG then pay 6 million in luxury tax for Tony Allen.

Especially if we plan on using our MLE on a diffrent veterant player.

But the owners so far have show to go into luxury tax territory, so hopefully we'll keep TA and use our full MLE next year.

GregB · Post #11 » by **GregB** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:50 pm

GreenMachine wrote:If we wanted to resign him - why didn't we?

Because He was coming off major knee surgery. TA has a pretty high injury risk. We wanted to see him come back healthy before we committed to a long term contract.

captain_cheapseats · Post #12 » by **captain_cheapseats** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:21 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:If Marcus Banks was able to get $6 million a year, there's no reason for me to believe that Tony Allen couldn't get mid-level money from some team.

Exactly. Barring some serious regression, he will definitely get that kind of offer from somewhere, even if only short-term, given that if he pans out it'd be a decent sized reward for a relatively moderate risk.

I mean, imagine you're a team like Cleveland. You're already very competitive, maybe a piece or two away from being an elite team, but because of the city you play in (small/cold) it's relatively difficult to attract the most sought-after free agents. Further, right now you are giving Larry Hughes 30 minutes a night, so almost anyone would upgrade the SG position. Given those facts, why on earth wouldn't you take the relatively minor risk of giving TA 5-6 mill for 2-3 years?

Collinto · Post #13 » by **Collinto** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:39 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If Marcus Banks was able to get $6 million a year, there's no reason for me to believe that Tony Allen couldn't get mid-level money from some team.

There was heavier spending in the NBA the year Banks was a free agent. How many players changed teams last summer using the the full MLE? The only one I can think of is Jason Kapono...

Tony is not getting a teams MLE...

GuyClinch · Post #14 » by **GuyClinch** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:42 pm

Banks was putting up 12points/5 assists with Minnesota. I don't think Tony is getting the burn to put up similiar numbers.. So he won't get Banks money..

Pete

MVP16 · Post #15 » by **MVP16** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:44 pm

TA is a defensive oriented shooting guarded with serious knee concerns and he is going to be restricted. Unless he explodes in the playoffs or some team falls in love with him, we should be able to keep him cheaply. Just look at guys like Pietrus, Barnes, Posey and Ruben Patterson last off season. I think that we'll be able to keep TA at a very reasonable contract.

Jammer · Post #16 » by **Jammer** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:49 am

Keep in mind that there is a strong liklihood that Tony's knees are uninsurable.

Meaning whoever signs him, for however many years, will bear the full risk if Tony goes down due to a knee injury.

Also, Tony is not a starter in the NBA.

So, you may be looking at considerably smaller numbers.

Plus, if Danny Ainge says that he will match any offer, some teams won't want there cap space tied up for a week while Danny decides whether to match. Just the risk of Danny taking a week to think about it can scare teams off while they pursue more likely candidates.

Taget · Post #17 » by **Taget** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:51 am

DorfonCeltics wrote:Yes, and the Celtics will match that offer. No team is going to give TA more than $5-6 mil a year. I'd match up to that point.

He'll get offers for 1 to 2 million. He'll be a cheap re-sign unless we decide to bid against ourself.

GregB · Post #18 » by **GregB** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:55 am

Taget wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He'll get offers for 1 to 2 million. He'll be a cheap re-sign unless we decide to bid against ourself.

TA wil get at least 3-4 million a year. He is as good offensively as guys like Pietrus and others. But, He is also one of the better defensive players in the league. He is a legit two way player. I would be surprised if he doesnt get the MLE.

Rocky5000 · Post #19 » by **Rocky5000** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 3:42 am

Good job by TA tonight. He exploded for a powerful dunk and that seemed to put a spring in his step. He hogged the ball a little bit towards the end, but I thought it was a pretty solid outing for TA. The better Tony plays, the more we can rest Ray and let him heal up.

Taget · Post #20 » by **Taget** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 3:41 am

GregB wrote:TA wil get at least 3-4 million a year. He is as good offensively as guys like Pietrus and others. But, He is also one of the better defensive players in the league. He is a legit two way player. I would be surprised if he doesnt get the MLE.

He plays a position where talent is plentiful. And teams are more likely to open the bank for 2s and 5s. Add to that Tony's injury history and that he may or may not even be a starter. While I can't discount the possibility that he could receive a 3 or 4 million dollars his market value is likely to be in the LLE rather than the MLE range.