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Yeah, I concur, I don't really see Arenas as a point guard either. I mean that's like calling Monte Ellis a point guard. Anyways, I doubt you can have a complete list that could appease everyone. A list is always opinion based. Because statistics don't always dictate your choices. And some fans are simply fans of one or more players and won't budge on their opinion or rank another player ahead of that player they like.

Any list of top point guards specifically speaking of the eastern conference. It has to include Rondo and Calderon (could start on another team).

Mr. Winderman claimed the Celtics had not only the worst center in the Eastern Conference but also the worst point guard.

Personally I have a hard time comparing Arenas to Rondo because Arenas is not a PG (even though he plays one on TV) and would be a horrible fit playing in a situation like the one Rondo is leading. But lets forget about Arenas. After the first three I think a case can be made for Rondo being next in line. Or at least close.

http://mvn.com/nba-celtics/2008/02/07/r ... up-ladder/

Rondo is definantly better than Starbury.

I think Toronto should trade Ford and attempt to extend Calderon long term. It's tough to trust that Ford can remain healthy an entire NBA season. He hasn't thus far in his career.

If Atlanta or whoever lands Calderon. You're looking at the top-two point guards in the east next season. Never mind Kidd who'll likely be in the west by the off season and Billups is getting older. Rodney Stuckey could be a player to keep an eye on in the future. I'd read that he's more than a combo guard and might just be skilled enough to become a regular point guard in the league.

2nd tier.

1st tier - Kidd, Nash, Paul, Deron Williams, Billups, Parker.

Rondo's value is on the defensive end, to this point he is still a pretty avg pg production wise. I am little dissapointed in his assist numbers though he does create a lot of plays that result in fouls. As long as he knocks down that 15 ft and makes his FTs to some extent he is going to be the perfect for this team, which matters the most.

Calderon is going nowhere he is a restricted FA. If Ben Gordon can't get an offer sheet Calderon isn't.

sully00 wrote:I am little dissapointed in his assist numbers though he does create a lot of plays that result in fouls.

My feeling was the same in another thread. This team has shooters. You would think that plays to the advantage of whomever the point guard is.

I'm impressed whenever he rebounds a lot but feel disappointed that he isn't racking up the assists on a consistent bases. I mean five (rebounds) and eight (assists) should be his average every game.

Sometimes, I wonder how ridiculous Rondo would be in Phoenix's system.

bonsaiflipflops wrote:I'm impressed whenever he rebounds a lot but feel disappointed that he isn't racking up the assists on a consistent bases. I mean five (rebounds) and eight (assists) should be his average every game.

What you are seeing is a by-product of playing with three players who like to have the ball in their hands. Sure, those players are shot-makers but they are also high-usage players who create most of their own offense.

Rondo leads the team (25.0%) in pct of assists recorded while he is on the floor. That being said, Rondo plays most of his minutes with Paul Pierce (22.6%) and Kevin Garnett (20.5%.) Rondo is using only 17.6% of the total possessions, including assists, while he is on the floor. Succinctly stated, there are no possessions available for Rondo to use to record assists. Unless you are saying that Ray Allen needs to do a better job of playing off the ball, then I agree.

bonsaiflipflops wrote:Sometimes, I wonder how ridiculous Rondo would be in Phoenix's system.

I think the Celtics should attempt to get out on the break more. Because they play such a slow-it-down type game (bottom third of the league), their offensive efficiency suffers. A bit more early offense would go a long way towards unleashing the inherent athleticism of the offense and bumping up the overall offensive efficiency.

Calderon is better than Ford. I'm willing to bet Toronto locks Jose up long term. He really is playing like on of the top 5 guys in the league right now. Toronto needs to make a trade, they have to many wing players. They need to do a three for one type deal where they upgrade talent in one player.

I'd definitely place him after Calderon, Billups, Nash, Paul and Williams. After that, I don't know. He's there with Parker, Terry, Harris, Ellis, Davis. His skill-set is the most unique among point guards, though. No one plays like him.

If he continues to improve his shooting efficiency there is no reason he can't be counted among Paul, Williams and Calderon as th elite young PG.

Kidd has been pretty bad this year. He might be finished.

Kidd will keep playing but despite his triple doubles he has fallen out of the elite set of PG's. Hate to say it, he was one of the reasons I became obsessed with basketball dating back to his Cali days. I modeled my game after his as a kid. Rondo is not far behind the elite, he will most likely be up there next year or in the playoffs the way he has been playing latley.

jjwalker wrote:2nd tier.

1st tier - Kidd, Nash, Paul, Deron Williams, Billups, Parker.

1st tier - Nash, Kidd, Chris Paul

1st tier & 1/2 - Deron Williams, Billips, Parker, Brandon Roy, H-wreck,

2nd tier - Rondo, Nelson, Calderon

3rd tier- tyron lue and such

bonsaiflipflops wrote:Yeah, I concur, I don't really see Arenas as a point guard either. I mean that's like calling Monte Ellis a point guard. Anyways, I doubt you can have a complete list that could appease everyone. A list is always opinion based. Because statistics don't always dictate your choices. And some fans are simply fans of one or more players and won't budge on their opinion or rank another player ahead of that player they like.

Any list of top point guards specifically speaking of the eastern conference. It has to include Rondo and Calderon (could start on another team).

Mr. Winderman claimed the Celtics had not only the worst center in the Eastern Conference but also the worst point guard.

Personally I have a hard time comparing Arenas to Rondo because Arenas is not a PG (even though he plays one on TV) and would be a horrible fit playing in a situation like the one Rondo is leading. But lets forget about Arenas. After the first three I think a case can be made for Rondo being next in line. Or at least close.

http://mvn.com/nba-celtics/2008/02/07/r ... up-ladder/

rondo is spiderman

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What you are seeing is a by-product of playing with three players who like to have the ball in their hands. Sure, those players are shot-makers but they are also high-usage players who create most of their own offense.

Rondo leads the team (25.0%) in pct of assists recorded while he is on the floor. That being said, Rondo plays most of his minutes with Paul Pierce (22.6%) and Kevin Garnett (20.5%.) Rondo is using only 17.6% of the total possessions, including assists, while he is on the floor. Succinctly stated, there are no possessions available for Rondo to use to record assists. Unless you are saying that Ray Allen needs to do a better job of playing off the ball, then I agree.

I thought it was pretty obvious that the lower-than-usual assist numbers were more of a product of not having the ball as much with the big three on the floor most of the time than he not having the ability to actually record assists. I'm glad to see some stats to support it, although it should be obvious by watching the game. I was laughing when at one time Eddie House was supposedly a better PG based on assist numbers early in the season.

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1st tier - Nash, Kidd, Chris Paul

1st tier & 1/2 - Deron Williams, Billips, Parker, Brandon Roy, H-wreck,

2nd tier - Rondo, Nelson, Calderon

3rd tier- tyron lue and such

I agree with this ranking. He's emerging in the ranks of Calderon,TJ Ford and such. He's just so damn inconsistent, but it's all mental. In 3 years if he develops right he can probuly end up as one of the better 2nd tier PGs around. Like Calderon,Ford, Cassel.

I don't know what to expect with his jumper, and he's persona is defentily going to get a boost from playoffs appearances. That's key, he's got confidence as it is and he'll earn respect in the playoffs that will start getting him some free throws he doesn't deserve on so many of those blown laypus he has. It's not out of line to think he could end up in the 1rst teir & 1/2 before he's 7th year pro.

BadMuthaCeltic wrote:I thought it was pretty obvious that the lower-than-usual assist numbers were more of a product of not having the ball as much with the big three on the floor most of the time than he not having the ability to actually record assists.

I'll like to see Rivers give Rondo the full reigns.

I prefer the point guard to control the ball more than his teammates. I dislike it when he gives the ball up so quickly to Paul or Kevin. No, find your spots and Rondo will look for you. Let him do his job. Rondo should wave them off more. But, this wouldn't be so much an issue if the Celtics were a running team and play to Rondo's strength.

If those jump shots can consistently fall for him. Rondo can take over games offensively when others are struggling. I mean give the opposing defenses another player on the Celtics to be concern about. Don't let them make you become invisible on the floor.

I thought this was going to be a question about the 2006 draft. On that front, Rondo is ranked 4th in his class behind Rudy, Roy and LaMarcus:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Ef ... 1&splitDD=

Since he will still be 21 for another two weeks, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that this is not the best we will see out of Rajon Rondo's career...

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I'll like to see Rivers give Rondo the full reigns.

I prefer the point guard to control the ball more than his teammates. I dislike it when he gives the ball up so quickly to Paul or Kevin. No, find your spots and Rondo will look for you. Let him do his job. Rondo should wave them off more. But, this wouldn't be so much an issue if the Celtics were a running team and play to Rondo's strength.

If those jump shots can consistently fall for him. Rondo can take over games offensively when others are struggling. I mean give the opposing defenses another player on the Celtics to be concern about. Don't let them make you become invisible on the floor.

I love Rondo and the fact that he is being more aggressive offensively, I also agree with the sentiment that the team should look to push the ball more. But you can't have Rondo isolated on the offensive end looking to create for his teamates in the half court. It isn't his game and it doesn't make the best use of this team. Pierce is not a spot up a guy, he draws the defense, with or without the ball.

That was essentially the flaw in the belief that if he moved more that he would get free, no he wouldn't the defense follows him whether he has it or not. Now there are other guys the defense has to react to. Garnett in the post they have to double down on and they react to Ray getting the ball on the perimeter, but until Rondo gets in the paint nobody really gives a damn, he doesn't even draw his own defender yet.

The sad thing is the day that Rondo's game gets to the point that he will draw defensive attention will likely be the time that teams no longer have to dedicate their defense focus to stopping Paul Pierce.

Q. How many point guards are capable of putting up a double-double with 5 or fewer points?

A. In the past 10 years, only Jason Kidd had done it (9 times). Now Rondo has done it.

Not to take away from Rondo's performance on Sunday again the Spurs. But, his eleven rebounds was more an anomaly. He has only finished with a double digit rebounding game one other time during this season. It was against Dallas in January. Interestingly, in the two games, Dallas and San Antonio, everyone else who'd played for Boston only had a single digit rebounding total. It's nice that you've a point guard who can help out in that area, but I don't expect to see Rondo average more than five a game.

If he were getting a double-double more often with single digit points. Then I see that as teammates aren't producing as it pertains to rebounding (i.e. Perkins, Powe and/or Davis). Or Rondo is simply out hustling his own teammates for rebounds. Which is admirable but the shortest player on the Celtics shouldn't be battling among the trees by himself. I mean others on the floor with him should feel a tad embarrassed. Being out of position is one thing. But, Rondo goes after the ball.

Yeah, it's an anomaly, but an anomaly that hasn't been replicated by anyone but Jason Kidd in over 10 ten years.