Leon Powe - will another team attempt to sign him?
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Leon Powe - will another team attempt to sign him?
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Leon Powe - will another team attempt to sign him?
The Show has come out and performed well 2 weeks in a row on nationally televised games. How much will it cost the Cs to hold on to him?
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i like leon powe. wait, i love leon powe. hes a good decent 8th or 9th man and can do some dirty work. His height hurts him alot though seeing that he cant grab rebounds over 6'10 guys that much.
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The jury is out on Leon's upside. He certainly has established that he has a career as a rotation caliber 4 in the NBA. In 2009 someone is giving him a solid 4 or 5 year deal. better than the deal Scal got. (Like Scal, his intangibles will make him attractive, Unlike Scal, he has more than intangibles to bring to the table.) But he may have a higher ceiling than that. He is a plus rebounder and a plus scorer. He gets to the line.
His main weakness is size, and problems that causes defensively against the bevy of 6-9, 6-10 and 6-11 power forwards in the league. That need not be fatal, but it does place an upward limit on his rise. He is also not much of a passer.
Three points to remember about Leon.
First, he has serious knee surgery on each knee and missed a two full seasons. That is a key reason for why Leon fell so far in the draft. Without those surgeries, Leon was a likey first rounder. He was a dominant player at Cal. So far, it looks like the knees are holding up and I have heard nothing to the effect that his knees bother him.
Second, on occasion Leon flashes surprising athletic ability and blows by defenders for dunks. He is not a Reggie Evans/Brandon Hunter 6-6 banger. To the extent he can hone this, and work on his handle, it will enhance his offensive game a great deal, because he should be able to get by bigger defenders and either score or get to the line or both.
Third, Leon has been told by Doc not to take the open jump shot. I don't know if Leon has this in his arsenal, but apparently he sometimes flashed it at Cal. Quality starting 4s in the NBA can all bury open 15 foot jumpers. This is a great unknown. If Leon can drain this shot he becomes a plus plus offensive player.
But he is still 6-6 and he still is not a passer. He is not going to the all-star game. But he has a chance, maybe 1 in 4, of becoming a quality starter. I'd sign him to a long-term frontloaded extension. The guy is a winner.
His main weakness is size, and problems that causes defensively against the bevy of 6-9, 6-10 and 6-11 power forwards in the league. That need not be fatal, but it does place an upward limit on his rise. He is also not much of a passer.
Three points to remember about Leon.
First, he has serious knee surgery on each knee and missed a two full seasons. That is a key reason for why Leon fell so far in the draft. Without those surgeries, Leon was a likey first rounder. He was a dominant player at Cal. So far, it looks like the knees are holding up and I have heard nothing to the effect that his knees bother him.
Second, on occasion Leon flashes surprising athletic ability and blows by defenders for dunks. He is not a Reggie Evans/Brandon Hunter 6-6 banger. To the extent he can hone this, and work on his handle, it will enhance his offensive game a great deal, because he should be able to get by bigger defenders and either score or get to the line or both.
Third, Leon has been told by Doc not to take the open jump shot. I don't know if Leon has this in his arsenal, but apparently he sometimes flashed it at Cal. Quality starting 4s in the NBA can all bury open 15 foot jumpers. This is a great unknown. If Leon can drain this shot he becomes a plus plus offensive player.
But he is still 6-6 and he still is not a passer. He is not going to the all-star game. But he has a chance, maybe 1 in 4, of becoming a quality starter. I'd sign him to a long-term frontloaded extension. The guy is a winner.
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Powe's wingspan is enormous. Every so often you see a crowd of guys and two arms sticking up out of it grabbing the ball, that's Leon. I don't think size is as big an issue for him. But to get to starter caliber he will have to develop a 15-17 ft jumper. He shot some of those at Cal when he got frustrated with the triple teams but honestly, not at a very high percentage. I was encouraged that he hit one last night. But he needs to develop confidence with it, like Rondo has. It's just hard work, and Leon is no stranger to that.
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elrod enchilada wrote:The jury is out on Leon's upside. He certainly has established that he has a career as a rotation caliber 4 in the NBA. In 2009 someone is giving him a solid 4 or 5 year deal. better than the deal Scal got. (Like Scal, his intangibles will make him attractive, Unlike Scal, he has more than intangibles to bring to the table.) But he may have a higher ceiling than that. He is a plus rebounder and a plus scorer. He gets to the line.
His main weakness is size, and problems that causes defensively against the bevy of 6-9, 6-10 and 6-11 power forwards in the league. That need not be fatal, but it does place an upward limit on his rise. He is also not much of a passer.
Three points to remember about Leon.
First, he has serious knee surgery on each knee and missed a two full seasons. That is a key reason for why Leon fell so far in the draft. Without those surgeries, Leon was a likey first rounder. He was a dominant player at Cal. So far, it looks like the knees are holding up and I have heard nothing to the effect that his knees bother him.
Second, on occasion Leon flashes surprising athletic ability and blows by defenders for dunks. He is not a Reggie Evans/Brandon Hunter 6-6 banger. To the extent he can hone this, and work on his handle, it will enhance his offensive game a great deal, because he should be able to get by bigger defenders and either score or get to the line or both.
Third, Leon has been told by Doc not to take the open jump shot. I don't know if Leon has this in his arsenal, but apparently he sometimes flashed it at Cal. Quality starting 4s in the NBA can all bury open 15 foot jumpers. This is a great unknown. If Leon can drain this shot he becomes a plus plus offensive player.
But he is still 6-6 and he still is not a passer. He is not going to the all-star game. But he has a chance, maybe 1 in 4, of becoming a quality starter. I'd sign him to a long-term frontloaded extension. The guy is a winner.
...Elrod, I just wanted to clarify something rather important that is flawed with the above statement...Leon Powe has NOT had surgery on both knees, nor has he torn his ACL twice...he had the SAME knee operated on twice....Powe originally tore his ACL in high school and then rushed back to play too soon and had to have a corrective surgery on it in order to repair whatever his lack or rehab had done....it was the same knee, and not a double blow-out....just want to make sure assumptions aren't made off of the wrong info...
Other than that, this post is pretty accurate...I would say that Leon does have a face up game as well as the ability to put the ball on the floor, but he needs to improve both areas as he is not consistent enough with the face-up yet for it to be put into the playbook and he still tends to expose the ball on his drives by turning his body too quickly before bring the ball up and protecting it with his massive off-shoulder and arm...I think he'll get much better at all of these as all indications point to continued work on his part in these areas...
Leon's athletic ability is pretty much 100 percent back to where it was pre-injury...he is exploding quickly and with power now, which helps him with rebounding and finishing in traffic...not sure why you like to list guys with their height out of shoes as every player in the league is listed with them...no doubt he is "undersized" as a 6'8 PF, but he's got tremendous reach and I think everyone should have seen what his defensive ability is by now, which is substantial on-man and improving in help situations...his work against Dirk, Howard, Jefferson, and Kaman was exemplary relative to what the average defender has done against them by thost players...he wasn't asked to man-up on them all evening by any stretch, but those players are never guarded with just one man anyhow and Powe's shown he can acount well for himself defensively...
I agree that his offensive game is what will allow him to become a starter if that is his path...ideally he will stay in Boston and the likelyhood would be for him to back up KG/Perk for the next 5-6 years...regardless, Powe needs to hit the face-up shots as part of the offense and use the threat of the shot to drive and power to the hoop...he has much more athleticism than Udonis Haslem, but a similar offensive repetoire...hitting shots and crashing the glass could make him a very productive player even in 20-25 minutes per game....
I love the kid, always have, and I think he's got plenty of room for improvement by expanding on certain facets of his game....time will tell, but KG's injury has certainly provided a forum for which to develop and he's taking advantage...
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Powe is clearly our best young big man. His impact on games and his production and his plus/minus rating are undeniable.
However, he is also clearly not a center. If KG was bigger than most NBA centers, Powe would be the ideal guy up front. Unfortunately for Powe, he plays the same position as KG so he is relegated to backup.
Davis and Perkins both give us more size which helps reduce the beating KG takes. Maybe Powe will get more burn in the playoffs when we will worry less about the wear and tear on KG.
However, he is also clearly not a center. If KG was bigger than most NBA centers, Powe would be the ideal guy up front. Unfortunately for Powe, he plays the same position as KG so he is relegated to backup.
Davis and Perkins both give us more size which helps reduce the beating KG takes. Maybe Powe will get more burn in the playoffs when we will worry less about the wear and tear on KG.
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Leon Powe and Glen Davis can't generate their own shots.
They need someone to create a shot opportunity for them, by spreading the floor with 3 point shooters (Ray Allen, Eddie House, Paul Pierce, James Posey),
by drawing a double team (Garnett, Pierce, Ray Allen) or
by someone else penetrating and dishing off on the drive in the lane
(Pierce, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Tony Allen).
That established, Powe and Davis try to do most of their damage inside, which is a power world.
Powe is 6' 6", Davis maybe 6' 7.5".
That's not really tall enough to be a power player without vertical leap, superior height/strength, a jump shot or the ability to put the ball on the floor.
They work in the 2008 BOSTON CELTICS SYSTEM. The system, which is:
1. Spread the floor with Great 3 point shooters
2. Have your All-stars draw double teams
3. Have your penetrators draw man under the basket
free up Powe, Perkins, Davis and Pollard underneath.
That said, I expect him to be re-signed in summer 2009.
They need someone to create a shot opportunity for them, by spreading the floor with 3 point shooters (Ray Allen, Eddie House, Paul Pierce, James Posey),
by drawing a double team (Garnett, Pierce, Ray Allen) or
by someone else penetrating and dishing off on the drive in the lane
(Pierce, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Tony Allen).
That established, Powe and Davis try to do most of their damage inside, which is a power world.
Powe is 6' 6", Davis maybe 6' 7.5".
That's not really tall enough to be a power player without vertical leap, superior height/strength, a jump shot or the ability to put the ball on the floor.
They work in the 2008 BOSTON CELTICS SYSTEM. The system, which is:
1. Spread the floor with Great 3 point shooters
2. Have your All-stars draw double teams
3. Have your penetrators draw man under the basket
free up Powe, Perkins, Davis and Pollard underneath.
That said, I expect him to be re-signed in summer 2009.
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The biggest thing with Leon right now is the passing game on offense and this intertwines with his height as well. As good a game and as great a result as Leon had on Fri. I am pretty damn sure he got something 15 or 16 touches and passed the ball three times. I was just doing it in my head but it was almost comical. Sometimes it is determination and that is admirable at the same time it is pigheaded to go straight in against a guy with a significant height advantage in the post it is also selfish basketball. Hell on one of his passes he almost gave Rondo a heart attack he couldn't believe he was going to pass the ball.
That said it is nice to have a guy who can just catch the damn thing 5 ft from the hoop and throw it down everytime he is open and rebounds like a machine.
That said it is nice to have a guy who can just catch the damn thing 5 ft from the hoop and throw it down everytime he is open and rebounds like a machine.
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I am delighted to hear that Leon's knee injuries were not as severe as I had thought, and that only one knee was affected. That is very good to know.
I know Leon plays long but I wonder why he does not get more blocked shots if his wingspan is so tremendous. My sense is that players with unusually long arms tend to get a disproportionate number of blocks because the guys they are guarding do not anticipate the length in the heat of battle. Perkins is a good example of that. Plus Leon has good quickness and explosion. But for some reason Leon does not get many blocks at all.
I use barefoot heights because the w/shoes listings are so inconsistent. My favorite listing: Brad Lohaus and Bill Walton listed (as I recall) at 7-0 and 6-11 respectively for the 1987-88 Cs. In the team photo Walton has a good three or four inches on Lohaus. Some guys seem to wear elevator shoes when they get measured. And this year beat reporters continue to say Big Baby is 6-9, whereas to the naked eye it is obvious he is at least 4 good inches, maybe 5, shorter than KG. KG says he is 6-10 1/2 barefoot.
It sure would be nice if the NBA followed the NFL and did a formal measuring of every prospect every year and made those the official numbers. A little truth in labeling. We know every NFL player's height to the eighth of an inch. And it is a matter of greater concern in the NBA.
I am delighted to hear that Leon's knee injuries were not as severe as I had thought, and that only one knee was affected. That is very good to know.
I know Leon plays long but I wonder why he does not get more blocked shots if his wingspan is so tremendous. My sense is that players with unusually long arms tend to get a disproportionate number of blocks because the guys they are guarding do not anticipate the length in the heat of battle. Perkins is a good example of that. Plus Leon has good quickness and explosion. But for some reason Leon does not get many blocks at all.
I use barefoot heights because the w/shoes listings are so inconsistent. My favorite listing: Brad Lohaus and Bill Walton listed (as I recall) at 7-0 and 6-11 respectively for the 1987-88 Cs. In the team photo Walton has a good three or four inches on Lohaus. Some guys seem to wear elevator shoes when they get measured. And this year beat reporters continue to say Big Baby is 6-9, whereas to the naked eye it is obvious he is at least 4 good inches, maybe 5, shorter than KG. KG says he is 6-10 1/2 barefoot.
It sure would be nice if the NBA followed the NFL and did a formal measuring of every prospect every year and made those the official numbers. A little truth in labeling. We know every NFL player's height to the eighth of an inch. And it is a matter of greater concern in the NBA.
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Height is NOT a great concern in the NBA - standing reach is. That's what they should measure. No one really benefits from a very long neck..
Anyway it's nice to see a guy I backed in the pre-season getting some love. Powe is going to do a very nice job for us - as he provides something on both ends of the court which makes him more valuable then some of the young players we have shipped out in the past..
I am also intrigued by his "athleticism" and how it may be returning.. Maybe he does have some upside if this is the case..
Pete
Anyway it's nice to see a guy I backed in the pre-season getting some love. Powe is going to do a very nice job for us - as he provides something on both ends of the court which makes him more valuable then some of the young players we have shipped out in the past..
I am also intrigued by his "athleticism" and how it may be returning.. Maybe he does have some upside if this is the case..
Pete
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elrod enchilada wrote:It sure would be nice if the NBA followed the NFL and did a formal measuring of every prospect every year and made those the official numbers. A little truth in labeling. We know every NFL player's height to the eighth of an inch. And it is a matter of greater concern in the NBA.
The do the same thing the NFL does they have a draft camp the same way the NFL has a combine. If you don't want to show up to the combine you don't have to it generally just hurts you come draft time. If you skip the NBA pre draft camp it isn't likely to help you at the same time teams are far less willing to pass on talent in the NBA than they are in the NFL.
Big Baby is 6'7.5" in bare feet per his PHI workout and I think that BFB has said he is 6'8.5" in shoes.
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