Big Baby=Zach Randolph?

hiphop1 · Post #1 » by **hiphop1** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:18 am

Watching both of them in the same game I see alot of similarities in their games. Baby doesnt have the additude and can pass 100 times better but I see the same offensive game.

Post #2 » by **tlee324** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:06 am

Baby plays at least an iota of defense, which makes him a world's different from Zach.

And Baby at times has looked to pass the ball. Not just to get an assist, but to actually move the ball.

Other than that, there are similarities.

GreenGrizz · Post #3 » by **GreenGrizz** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:24 am

They played same offensive style in college.

Post #4 » by **Spin Move** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:32 am

Randolph is 2 inches taller thats a big difference baby is quicker randolph has more range

The Rondo Show · Post #5 » by **The Rondo Show** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:26 pm

I don't see it. Baby has been a very good defensive player while Zach is awful. Zach also has a much better mid-range jumpshot and has a back to the basket game.

As much as I like BBD, he's really shown no ability to create his own shot. Almost all of his points are from O-Reb putbacks and someone driving to the hoop and dishing to him. I think he's a damn good role player, but I don't see this "star potential" if he loses 25 pounds like some fans do. I also think he's best off at his current weight because it allows him to be a very good post defender and because he's very mobile, even at this weight.

DorfonCeltics · Post #6 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:53 pm

Other than both being large guys, I don't see really any comparison. Baby's defense is so much better than Zach's but Zach's offense is leagues ahead of Baby's. Zack is one of the best offensive bigs in the game but he doesn't offer anything else but offense outside of rebounding.

tombattor · Post #7 » by **tombattor** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:15 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:Other than both being large guys, I don't see really any comparison. Baby's defense is so much better than Zach's but Zach's offense is leagues ahead of Baby's. Zack is one of the best offensive bigs in the game but he doesn't offer anything else but offense outside of rebounding.

I agree with your assessment. If Baby can score like Randolph, I think we would see the Celtics posting him up a lot more. But the defensive effort Baby brings dwarfs Randolph's.

Post #8 » by **sully00** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:28 pm

Spin Move wrote:Randolph is 2 inches taller thats a big difference baby is quicker randolph has more range

No way. Randolph, Boozer, and Brand all reportedly have measured 6'7", 6'7.5" and 6'7.75" in bare feet respectively. Big Baby at 6'7.5".

Post #9 » by **sully00** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:46 pm

As far as their games go you can't compare a rookie to a guy in his 7th season of an all star career directly.

Zach is an awful defender but a great rebounder and a very solid jump shooting PF.

Baby is a decent defender and very good for a rookie with a size disadvantage. He is not the same caliber of rebounder that Zack is at this point and I don't know how much that is going to change. Much better offensively in the paint, better hands, and passes period. Lacks that automatic jumper at the same time a little bit better getting to the line and both are pretty good FT shooters for a big.

Weight is the issue with Baby not height. He is a little short for the 4 and real short for the 5. His weight is an equalizer it gives him the ability to push his opponent out of the post and to overpower opponents and find clear sky, at the same time it is a hindrance to his conditioning and stamina.

Youth4Glory · Post #10 » by **Youth4Glory** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:19 pm

Randolph is a black hole, shoots evertime he touches the ball. big baby is nothing like that, his defense and effort are far superior. His game reminds me of Shawn Kemp when he played for the Cavs, before he really started sucking. He was still good for a little while. He lacks two inches or so which results in him getting blocked by lanky players underneath. but uses his gerth, bball iq, hustle and defensive intensity to make up for that. He also reminds me a bit of Brandon Hunter but better.

GuyClinch · Post #11 » by **GuyClinch** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:47 pm

No - it's a bad comparison. Randolph is a beast on the post. BBD rarely does something well in the post. Most of his points come off pick and rolls.
BBD could still stand to lose some weight. I hope he doesn't take the attitude of the posters here. Playing with excess weight is tremendously bad on your knees and will kill your career.

We all love BBD because he is young and can hustle - but when those knees start to go and he starts to creek about on the floor because of his excess weight he will be seen as a slug. Guy should lose about 30 more pounds.

pete

Barry Lird · Post #12 » by **Barry Lird** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:38 pm

Yeah, BB really slimmed down during the summer, and just eyeballing him, he seems to have gained a good 20 of it back. I think he could lose a little too, but the one good thing about it is, other than Perk, he's the only one that can make big guys like Duncan, Ilgauskas, and Wallace post up a couple of feet further than they'd like to. He's just like an immovable gigantic tree trunk when he sets himself. That's where his defense has been good, before the ball even gets there. He has guys setting up a couple of feet outside their sweet spots.

DorfonCeltics · Post #13 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:51 pm

Speaking of Big Baby, I caught this on ESPN's daily dime today.

Pat (Boston): What would be an ideal weight for Glen Davis? His game relies on his bulk, but to become a consistant player he needs to be able to explode to the rim flat-footed. The easiest way is to drop pounds but it's a catch-22. Suggestions?

David Thorpe: Lose the weight-keep the strength. 20 pounds would help a lot. 40+ lbs and he'd be all-star caliber.

Is David Thorpe a moron or what? He thinks that Baby will be an all star caliber player, playing at 250lbs. People need to realize it's the weight that enables him to bang down low and create space for his nifty finishes.

billfromBoston · Post #14 » by **billfromBoston** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:10 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:Speaking of Big Baby, I caught this on ESPN's daily dime today.

Pat (Boston): What would be an ideal weight for Glen Davis? His game relies on his bulk, but to become a consistant player he needs to be able to explode to the rim flat-footed. The easiest way is to drop pounds but it's a catch-22. Suggestions?

David Thorpe: Lose the weight-keep the strength. 20 pounds would help a lot. 40+ lbs and he'd be all-star caliber.

Is David Thorpe a moron or what? He thinks that Baby will be an all star caliber player, playing at 250lbs. People need to realize it's the weight that enables him to bang down low and create space for his nifty finishes.

I actually agree with Thorpe on this...for the most part...

Davis at 260-265 of pure muscle is still going to be a bowling ball...the pure fat portion of his size isn't that much of an advantage, its his strength that gives him his force...

If Davis can drop down to 260 or so of pure muscle and little fat he'll increase his quickness and explosiveness to the point where he'll be very difficult to contain when going to the basket...as his jump shot continues to evolve, he'll become a very, very good scorer...

The million dollar question with Davis is, "will he dedicate himself to training?"

....back to the topic of the thread...Zach Randolph was a very pudgy, and not-so-special player his first year in the league...he came out two years earlier (I believe after fresh season) and then got in shape and blew up...

If Davis comes into camp next year under 10% body fat, he'll dominate the SL and begin to show his true offensive potential...

...think of what Danny Fortson looked like body-type-wise when he was POY at Cinncy (may be too far back for all of you) that's what Davis would look like if leaned down...

GuyClinch · Post #15 » by **GuyClinch** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:17 pm

Is David Thorpe a moron or what? He thinks that Baby will be an all star caliber player, playing at 250lbs. People need to realize it's the weight that enables him to bang down low and create space for his nifty finishes.

BBD is probably only 6'6" without shoes even if he lost 30 pounds and got to 280 (Let's be real he weighs alot more then 290) he would still be af force down low. Extra fat does very little for any NBA player. BBD is the kind of guy that could eat his way out of the league just like Oliver Miller did. It's very borderline that he makes it for this reason. The talent is there but is the desire?

Pete