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I think Baby has been effective when he's been in the game. It would be wrong to give him DNP's just because he's a rookie.

It's a deep team. There's only so many minutes. Someone deserving is going to sit every game.

Everybody wants everybody to play, unfortunately there are only 48 minutes per position. There are just too many solid contributors on this roster for everyone to get tons of time. Doc went without Baby for the most part during the Texas games, and we won each one. Sounds to me like it worked. It doesn't mean they couldn't have won with him on the court, but then Powe wouldn't have gotten the PT and everybody would be complaining about HIM not getting any PT.

dwestside wrote:Everybody wants everybody to play, unfortunately there are only 48 minutes per position. There are just too many solid contributors on this roster for everyone to get tons of time. Doc went without Baby for the most part during the Texas games, and we won each one. Sounds to me like it worked. It doesn't mean they couldn't have won with him on the court, but then Powe wouldn't have gotten the PT and everybody would be complaining about HIM not getting any PT.

LOL, that's true. I guess I just can't help having a soft spot for the rookies. Might as well play him in April though. We should clinch the top spot in the NBA then.

I think Baby will get plenty of time the last couple of weeks of the regular season.

If you look back to the 2nd game against Detroit you'll know what I'm talking about. The Pistons could not stop him in the paint.

http://aol.nba.com/games/20080105/BOSDET/boxscore.html

Baby needs playing time so he can keep the el-bees off.

cfan79 wrote:If you look back to the 2nd game against Detroit you'll know what I'm talking about. The Pistons could not stop him in the paint.

http://aol.nba.com/games/20080105/BOSDET/boxscore.html

Correction: the Pistons could not stop Paul Pierce from abusing Tayshaun Prince, forcing the Detroit big men to step up after Pierce blew by Prince and then seeing Pierce dish to Big Baby for a layup. I like Big Baby, but Powe has outplayed him and there's really no need for him to get much (any?) more time than he is getting.

He's getting DNP's because it's extremely questionable whether he's a better player than who they are currently playing, not because he's a rookie. You could argue he's better than PJ, but it's close and PJ needs the time to learn the system just as much, if not more than Davis does.

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Correction: the Pistons could not stop Paul Pierce from abusing Tayshaun Prince, forcing the Detroit big men to step up after Pierce blew by Prince and then seeing Pierce dish to Big Baby for a layup. I like Big Baby, but Powe has outplayed him and there's really no need for him to get much (any?) more time than he is getting.

He's getting DNP's because it's extremely questionable whether he's a better player than who they are currently playing, not because he's a rookie. You could argue he's better than PJ, but it's close and PJ needs the time to learn the system just as much, if not more than Davis does.

Exactly. It was definitely Paul that they couldn't stop.

However, I do think Baby can be a better player than Po if he works hard. I think he has more natural skills than Po and could be much better after a couple of years of development. Po is better right now though.

I'm sure I'm going to rub a few people the wrong way, but, Baby is just not that good. He's good for what he is, a big solid body that can make less physical forwards work. But if he isn't rebounding, he doesn't contribute much. Doc knows when to play and who he can play well against. Other than that, Powe is just a better fit for most rotations on this team all around.

PJ Brown has been sitting on his couch for the last year and Doc wants to work him into game shape to defend Zydrunas Ilgauskas and others in the playoffs. I think this is the reasoning.

BBD can play in this league but like we said in the preseason he has to beat out Powe. He has not done that.

Pete

GuyClinch wrote:BBD can play in this league but like we said in the preseason he has to beat out Powe. He has not done that.

Pete

I agree here, Powe has been more consistent. Add in the fact that Doc has been trying to acclimate PJ and you get a more complete picture on the DNP-CDs.

However, I think that Davis is still an impactful energy player who should be used relatively consistently when Powe falls into his negative patterns on defense. I think Davis is the more aware defender but struggles because the refs give him no respect on that end. Also, when the C's are struggling offensively Davis can be a good choice because he's excellent at creating second chance points.

RedSoxFan729 wrote:I'm sure I'm going to rub a few people the wrong way, but, Baby is just not that good. He's good for what he is, a big solid body that can make less physical forwards work. But if he isn't rebounding, he doesn't contribute much. Doc knows when to play and who he can play well against. Other than that, Powe is just a better fit for most rotations on this team all around.

You haven't been watching if you don't think Baby is good. He's a great high energy guy off the bench. Doc might be right in taking his time with him because he is just a rookie. He'll eventually get P.J.'s spot when PJ leaves.

cfan79 wrote:You haven't been watching if you don't think Baby is good. He's a great high energy guy off the bench. Doc might be right in taking his time with him because he is just a rookie. He'll eventually get P.J.'s spot when PJ leaves.

I actually have been watching and I really do not think he's anything special. He needs to lose weight to become quicker and lighter, but he can't because that would take anything special away from him.

big baby is a unique talent who has many years ahead of him in this league if he can stay in shape (for him)

we have seen what an NBA training program can do for a player, the Celtics molded Perk from a ball of clay into a monster in about 3-4 years

GuyClinch wrote:BBD can play in this league but like we said in the preseason he has to beat out Powe. He has not done that.

Pete

See I don't think this is really true anymore. I think Doc has realized who these guys are and what they do best. Powe is a PF, and extremely effective if used that way. He is pretty much getting every minute KG isn't on the floor and raising hell while he is in there. If an opponent has a size issue or defensive fraud then you can line him up with KG.

Big Baby is rookie and has some issues with consistency and preparedness as well as conditioning. He also has an uncanny knack for the game. If he was an inch taller he would be a great back up center and as is he is pretty serviceable as he is.

The problem for Baby right now is that Perk is absolutely killing it and we have added Brown, who is going to get mins because he needs to get into the flow. PJ to this point is useless offensively but he is probably a touch better on the glass than Baby and should round into a smarter if not better defender. Either way we broke the glass to bring him back and he is 6'10" so we are going to get him up to speed and ready to go.

If he plays like he did in SA when he gets his chance we will see more if he plays like he did against Utah we won't.

I think Baby can be just as effective as Powe. Powe has just been getting the minutes right now. So we just assume Powe is much better.

When I was watching them play with even minutes they seemed to be just that.. pretty even overall. I don't think it's right for Baby to be out of the rotation competly based on what I have seen. In the future if Baby can lose some wait and we know we can use him as our back-up PF I can easiely see him out producing Powe who I still think isn't that great at all. Okay second round pick college senior player

Hell though at least Scalabrine has been and is consistently out so I can't complain.

I think Baby will be better then Powe in the long run. But Powe deserves time on the floor now because he's been playing well and has a year under his belt.

...I like both Davis and Powe and I think both have the potential to be starting PFs in this league as long as they fully develop their face-up offense-this includes set shots, one and two dribble pull-ups, and shot fakes going to the basket...

Davis is a better ball-handler and passer than Powe is right now and Powe is more consistent than Davis in terms of execution...

...the reason I gave the edge to Powe in the pre-season-which ultimately came to pass-is that I can guarentee Powe's work ethic...I KNOW he will reach his potential as a player and eventually become a very good two-way PF...Davis is a player I always loved in college, but I can't say the same for his work ethic...he is competitive, which is to his credit, but I can't honestly say that he WILL trim down and develop the other areas of his game...

...I think that Davis coming to Boston was the best thing for him as the vets will push him to excel during the regular season...but the most progress is made in the off-season and it remains to be seen what he's accomplish then...

...and in all honesty...after seeing the areas of improvement in Powe and his recovered athleticism, I no longer see Davis being substantially more talented than Powe...Powe's a better rebounder, he's faster and quicker into the shot, he's got great hands, he can put the ball on the floor and attack, he can shoot the face-up shot, he's great at finishing with contact...the differences in their game are minimal if they exist at all...and I like I said, I know Powe will put in the work...

...my best guess is that next year will determine who is kept and who is traded for something of value...I've got my money on Powe, always have, always will...