Why dont more guards play back to the basket?
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:01 pm
by nightstarstolen
Example: Billups, Cassell. Scroll to end for Case and Point
Note: By back to basket, I
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:51 pm
by Datruth345
alot of them don't have the size or bulk
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:01 pm
by JiriMania
This is one of the things that made Bird so good. He could play like many of these point guards but was incredible with his back to the basket.
I agree that many guards should learn to play in the post, in this age of versatility its important to be able to play both inside and out.
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:52 pm
by BigHands
I was just looking into the career of the Andrew Toney (the reason Red traded for Dennis Johnson) and I ran into a Charles Barkley comment.
Barkley said when he got to Philly there were only two players on the team that could post him up......Moses Malone and the guard Andrew Toney.
Gary Payton could also post up very well. No doubt it is a great skill for a guard to have.
Re: Why dont more guards play back to the basket?
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:55 pm
by celticfan42487
nightstarstolen wrote:Example: Billups, Cassell. Scroll to end for Case and Point
Note: By back to basket, I
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:48 pm
by Fencer reregistered
Oscar Robertson was before my time, but presumably he was the most effective post-up guard of all time.
Mark Jackson had no range on his shot, but was great at backing guys down into the post.
And of course Magic was a huge threat to post up, due to his size.
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:50 pm
by BobbySura
strength and size. could you honestly see telfair, nash or paul posting up against baron davis every time down the floor?
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:52 pm
by Bleeding Green
Datruth345 wrote:alot of them don't have the size or bulk
Well, half of the point guards should be strong enough to post up the other half of point guards. Strength seems like a pretty weak argument.
I don't remember Gary Payton being some physically imposing player and he had an awesome back to the basket game.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:29 am
by Datruth345
Bleeding Green wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Well, half of the point guards should be strong enough to post up the other half of point guards. Strength seems like a pretty weak argument
thats assuming half the leagues point guards are big enough to post up
who said the number is half ya know
Andre Miller
Baron Davis
Billups
Williams
Kidd
Gilbert
Hinrich
i'm positive i'm missing some but i mean, it seems to me there is only a handful
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:48 am
by Bleeding Green
No, the point is that half the point guards are, by rule, strong enough to post up the other half of the point guards assuming that by being marginally stronger than your counterpart you can post up the other PG. Half the PGs are stronger than the other half of the PGs. Even the second-weakest PG should be able to post up the weakest PG.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:59 am
by celticfan42487
Bleeding Green wrote:No, the point is that half the point guards are, by rule, strong enough to post up the other half of the point guards assuming that by being marginally stronger than your counterpart you can post up the other PG. Half the PGs are stronger than the other half of the PGs. Even the second-weakest PG should be able to post up the weakest PG.
The diffrence in strength is so slight it's immaterial for the majority of PGs. I mean Pargo looks stronger then Rondo, but I'd love to see him try and back down with Rondo in a defensive stance... if your a stronger weakling you're still a weakling and can do so much. At least that's my take on it.
I respect the PGs that can because of the talent they use to do so, but even if the PG is strong you don't see them backing down.. I think it has more to do with mass then strength even though were talking about the featherweights of players in the NBA. I really don't know theoretically who could post up whom though because most PGs go to the triple threat position anyways since it has so many more advantages even if they could post up their counterpart.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:07 am
by Datruth345
Bleeding Green wrote:No, the point is that half the point guards are, by rule, strong enough to post up the other half of the point guards assuming that by being marginally stronger than your counterpart you can post up the other PG. Half the PGs are stronger than the other half of the PGs. Even the second-weakest PG should be able to post up the weakest PG.
no