Powe - Top Ten from draft class

LongTimeFan · Post #1 » by **LongTimeFan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:02 pm

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Ef ... ll%20Teams

I was disappointed when Powe didn't get any run at the beginning of the year. I thought he did a very good job last year, in summer league and I love his story. I was happy for Baby, but ....

Anyways I was over on Celtics blog and read with some interest a claim that Powe was the best of his draft class. I think that was a bit much, but clearly he's in the top ten. Indeed, his production is the best adjusted for the time on the court. That is pretty impressive. (See above link.)

Not bad for a 49th pick. I'm glad to hear DA is watching those college games all day.

Youth4Glory · Post #2 » by **Youth4Glory** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:17 pm

this sure turned out to be a crappy draft class. Getting Rondo and Powe out of this is something that has gone overlooked I think, especially now that we are seeing how they all played out. I know we have been considering Rondo a steal, but looking at how Powe and Rondo stack up among the 60 some players chosen, damn Danny you done good. real good. We got great players at mediocre pick positions.

MalReyn · Post #3 » by **MalReyn** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:43 pm

Nah, he's not top 10.

In whatever order, there's at least a dozen players (possibly more) that would be taken over him if the draft was redone. Off the top of my head: Gay, Roy, Aldridge, Rondo, Bargnani, Brewer, Millsap, Smith, Boone, Foye, Gibson, Lowry, Farmar, Thomas.... would all probably be taken over him still.

However, the fact that he'd be a surefire first-rounder means he was still a great steal.

The EFF48 stat you know is flawed when Patrick O'Bryant, who's utterly useless, is listed #2.

Tricky Ricky · Post #4 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:47 pm

MalReyn wrote:Nah, he's not top 10.

In whatever order, there's at least a dozen players (possibly more) that would be taken over him if the draft was redone. Off the top of my head: Gay, Roy, Aldridge, Rondo, Bargnani, Brewer, Millsap, Smith, Boone, Foye, Gibson, Lowry, Farmar, Thomas.... would all probably be taken over him still.

However, the fact that he'd be a surefire first-rounder means he was still a great steal.

The EFF48 stat you know is flawed when Patrick O'Bryant, who's utterly useless, is listed #2.

What he said, regardless Powe has been great for this team

bruno sundov · Post #5 » by **bruno sundov** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:01 pm

[quote="MalReyn"]Nah, he's not top 10.

In whatever order, there's at least a dozen players (possibly more) that would be taken over him if the draft was redone. Off the top of my head: Gay, Roy, Aldridge, Rondo, Bargnani, Brewer, Millsap, Smith,

NO Boone,

NOFoye,

NOGibson,

NO Lowry,
NO WAYFarmar,

as in tyrusThomas, No WAY.. would all probably be taken over him still.

So by my count he is 9. That would make him top ten of his draft so far.

Post #6 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:18 pm

i don't know about top-10 but i'd say top-15 is pretty certain.

remember Powe would have been a surefire 1st rounder if it weren't for his knees. danny won because Powe's knees have held up (so far). it was a good late-pick gamble and it's worked out very well for us.

TheCelticTruth · Post #7 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:42 pm

ParticleMan wrote:i don't know about top-10 but i'd say top-15 is pretty certain.

remember Powe would have been a surefire 1st rounder if it weren't for his knees. danny won because Powe's knees have held up (so far). it was a good late-pick gamble and it's worked out very well for us.

'nuff said

(particleman and i have always been on the powe wagon)

Post #8 » by **UGA Hayes** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:08 pm

According to PER he has been the most productive player in his class this year. How crazy would it be if the best player in that class was the 49th pick and we picked him. Brandon Roy is the closet guy.

campybatman · Post #9 » by **campybatman** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:19 pm

The point that is often brought up is how people tend to forget that Powe is an offensive player capable of scoring when his number is called or if he sees a good match up. He isn't just a defender and rebounder. I believe he was a twenty and ten player his last year in school.

I too am one of the fans who have always want to see more minutes for him.

I remember before or after his draft. It was said that he might have been a first round pick had it not been for concern for his surgery on his knee, I think. His knees or legs look fine to me. He's just short. If he were taller. He'll be a starter for another team by now. Heck, he could start now. He still has long arms and does an admirable job playing out of position at center for the Celtics.

cloverleaf · Post #10 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:03 am

I think Powe could have a 20 and 10 year in the NBA at some point in his career.

Datruth345 · Post #11 » by **Datruth345** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:06 am

cloverleaf wrote:I think Powe could have a 20 and 10 year in the NBA at some point in his career.

i think on a bad team he might...might, but i don't even think he will get that opportunity, unfortunatley

Jammer · Post #12 » by **Jammer** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:45 am

While the NBA efficiency calculation is something that I thought of back in 1978, and that Larry Bird was using a version of in the 1980's to justify who should get MVP, the NBA only began posting it around 2003.

It's flawed in that it's offensive based, and doesn't factor in defense.

NET PER isn't the greatest either, because while one forward is guarding LeBron James, the other is guarding Ben Wallace. Guess who's gonna have a better NET PER that day?

But factoring in offense, defense, and how the team plays with you on the court, I came up with a ranking of Powe's draft class not too long ago.

As I recall, Rajon Rondo was like 5th.

A big problem with per 48 minute numbers is a player is no where near good enough to get that kind of time defensively, or will foul out too quickly, so the numbers per 48 are meaningless since their are some players who are only gonna get 10 mpg.

Powe was top ten, but not top 7 factoring in defense.

It was something like:

Players clearly better than Rondo

Brandon Roy
Rudy Gay
LaMarcus Aldridge
Ronnie Brewer

Players about the same as Rajon Rondo

Craig Smith
Jordan Farmer
Kelenna Azubuike

Players Almost as Good as Rajon Rondo

Leon Powe

cloverleaf · Post #13 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:46 am

There are a lot of bad teams out there, and he's still several years away from peaking, so if his health holds up he's got a reasonable chance of finding himself in the right place sometime.

I could even see him at 12-8 with enough minutes off the bench next year: he could really be featured on the 2nd team.

billfromBoston · Post #14 » by **billfromBoston** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:30 am

...Powe is still only a second year player...I think in time he'll become a 30 mpg guy...if he stays with Boston he'll have to wait 4-5 seasons to get there, but he'll be able to get 20-25 minutes in a 3 big man rotation with Perk and KG if he continues to improve in the off-season...

As far as his ranking in the 2006 draft class goes, he has a chance to be a sure-fire top 10 talent if he can hone his face-up jumper to the point where he can be put into the team's offense...his ability to attack of the dribble is an advantage for him, but he must establish the threat of the jumper to keep his defender tight to him...

I think Powe will be good enough to be a starter eventually because he's always working and always working on the right parts of his game...right now his efficiency is high, but he's not being used the same way as some of his draft counterparts so he can't be "the best" until he's used as a focal point, which isn't going to happen on Boston...

...personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Powe's role increases over the years-assuming he gets a contract extension-and may become KG's successor at the 4 down the line...

...every time Powe plays over 20 minutes he produces impressively...i'd expect a consistent 20 minutes a game next year once the team figures out what they're going to do with Glen Davis...Davis and Powe will be battling for their Celtics futures next year, though both may get extensions if their market value doesn't exceed their contract value yet...

Regardless, Powe has clearly established that he'll have a long and productive career in this league and certainly a 1st round pick caliber performer...

Kids Are Alright · Post #15 » by **Kids Are Alright** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:49 am

I think he's an upgrade over Detroit's 23rd pick 5 years ago at PF, Tayshaun Prince.

Wouldn't he help them out when it comes to interior defense and he'd likely be as efficient a scorer too....

I'm real happy with this 2nd rounder..

nasbahceltic · Post #16 » by **nasbahceltic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:40 pm

You really can't ask for anything more from Powe at this stage. Everytime he's on the floor he makes something happen and he's arguably our best low post threat outside of KG.

Props to Eric for being the main guy supporting the Powe pick from day one.

Rocky5000 · Post #17 » by **Rocky5000** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:13 pm

If others around the league think the same, we should look to trade him.

kmgarnett21 · Post #18 » by **kmgarnett21** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:42 pm

powe is second in pts per game/48 min. 25.3, he's second only to rudy gay at 25.4

thats pretty impressive. if u thnk about it, when he does get 10-15 mins, he always puts up about 8-15 pts

kmgarnett21 · Post #19 » by **kmgarnett21** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:43 pm

i dont think we should trade him...he's a key role player in our rotation. the only way we should trade him is if we get more talent/production & a draft pick in return. i dont wanna trade him tho.

joneb · Post #20 » by **joneb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:24 pm

Leon is the second coming of Buck Williams. OK maybe he won't have quite the career that Buck did, but he's the same type of tenacious, workman-like player. He may not be the most talented player on the floor, but nobody is going to out-work while he's out there. Backing down is not an option for Leon. He brings the energy 100% of the time.